<!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+May 11 2005, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ May 11 2005, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still have to make time for reading your essay in depth, Cyndane--maybe later today. But first, I have to respond to this.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Decide who you follow. Lord Krishna or Lord Jesus.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> @DarkAti Considering hinduism is more tolerant then christianity, thats an easy choice.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Setting aside the point of whether thats true or not, how exactly does it matter? If Krishna is God, then Jesus isn't. If Jesus is God, then Krishna isn't. Which one preached more tolerance ought to be insignificant compared to the question of which one is actually a deity. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Neither is a deity in-so-far as I am concerned, which is why when people quote the bible for wisdom (oxymoron most of the time) I can find something equally as important and yet more tolerant then the same message conveyed in the BG (which is almost as silly).
In all actually, the same can be said for buddism, jainism, and some forms of humanitarism.
I'd also like to point out the bible really doesn't have any bearing on this thread as I have previously pointed out, since it <b> never </b> outright condems <b> consensual </b> homosexuality or bisexuality.
i know its kinda drifted off topic, but i want to add my feelings on this subject:
i myself am a "Newly Discovered" bi male. i loved the hell outta this girl (mentally. im not really into the wanking over a girl thing, i prefer peoples conversation to their ****/vag) and when i asked her out, it turned out her and her mates thought i was ****.
now, at the time, this was worse than being kicked in the balls or anything. it was sooo humiliating: i had been hanging out with her for ages, and she thought it was cos i was her hand-bag guy?
it was after that that doubts crept in. maybe i was ****, i mean, i did fancy that guy off the tv, and there was a coupla those guys from 6th form i liked. was it just coincedence? had these girls noticed what i hadnt: that i was ****, and just happened to like this girl coincedentally?
well, i kept this to myself for quite a while, worrying about it, and worrying about what would happen if i told my friends. i wasnt worried about what they would say but worried that some of the guys might be uncomfrotable, and maybe avoid me. i eventually talked to someone about how i felt, a girl i know, and as i did, i think i kinda realised something. i realised that i liked both guys AND girls. i liked girls for their minds, but was more shallow when it came to guys. this was possibly because i was constantly quizzed over which guys i fancied etc, and i let my vague feelings take over from my moral beliefs.
anyway, i eventually came out with it properly. i didnt go round telling everyone, but i told my closer friends (the less xenophobic riends i have, luckily), and if anyone asks i tell them. why keep it a secret, its who i am!
PS, still, gotta admit, c*cks ARE ugly as sin <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+May 11 2005, 04:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 11 2005, 04:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+May 11 2005, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ May 11 2005, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Setting aside the point of whether thats true or not, how exactly does it matter? If Krishna is God, then Jesus isn't. If Jesus is God, then Krishna isn't. Which one preached more tolerance ought to be insignificant compared to the question of which one is actually a deity. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Neither is a deity in-so-far as I am concerned, which is why when people quote the bible for wisdom (oxymoron most of the time) I can find something equally as important and yet more tolerant then the same message conveyed in the BG (which is almost as silly).
In all actually, the same can be said for buddism, jainism, and some forms of humanitarism. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok then, so you're not actually saying you follow Krishna over Jesus...you're actually saying you follow Cyndane over Jesus. Just so we're clear on that.
<!--QuoteBegin-cxwf+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cxwf)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok then, so you're not actually saying you follow Krishna over Jesus...you're actually saying you follow Cyndane over Jesus. Just so we're clear on that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you wish to call it my own religion works just as well for me, however there would be only one member, and I don't get tax exmept status. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have never expressed any pariality to any religion I have ever done research on, nor mentioned here. If you can't go into theological studies objectively you will not get very far.
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+May 11 2005, 07:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 11 2005, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm a proud follower of my own religion, which is a nice mix of atheism, science, and the knowledge that I'm right until proven wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> He is following cyndanism, (which means I can now get a tax break that I have one more follower) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Not exactly my point (well, it probably was the point of what I actually wrote, but it's not what I meant to say).
My real point is this:
We Christians believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. Therefore when we quote the Bible, we believe we are referring to a higher authority than our own opinions. I suppose its possible we might be wrong, but thats the idea at least.
You apparently don't believe that Krishna was anything but a normal human. Therefore, when you quote the BG, you are simply quoting someone you happen to agree with. The fact that Krisha said it before you did isn't really important at all, you're just borrowing his wording. And therefore we have no more reason to take that seriously than any other random opinions you may express on these boards. In fact, even you have no real reason to follow advice that Krishna gave rather than deciding something on your own.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+May 11 2005, 11:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 11 2005, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Crispy since you are fairly new I shall be nicer then normal. I shall assume you have basic working knowledge of the bible (aka what you were taught while you grew up.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> However new I may be to the discussions forum I'm not that new to life, so you can get down from wherever you think it is you are and talk to people without the patronising comments.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I shall assume you have basic working knowledge of the bible (aka what you were taught while you grew up.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why on Earth should you assume that? It's better not to assume before you lecture people on how they might be wrong, the irony just overwhelms me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now, just for the record, almost all of what you were taught is wrong. (reguarding how translations work)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I wasn't taught anything about translating Hebrew or biblical texts, so I'm not sure how much of a 'record' this really is. Regardless of this I am currently in my third of a four year course in Modern Languages, so I know a fair bit about the ins and outs of translation (for example in the previous academic year I was translating a newspaper article every week in just one of my French modules.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Second, the ancient hewbrew langauge is based off of linear-a, which means it has 30,000 words tops.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I have found absolutely no evidence that suggests that Ancient Hebrew has its roots in Linear A. If you can point me in the direction of who has made this claim I'd be interested to read more. All the examples that I did find regarding Linear A pointed to the fact that it was developed by the Minoan civilisation. What has been suggested is that Linear A doesn't seem to relate to any other surviving language in Europe or Western Asia.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Third, many of those words, like the asian languages cover many different meanings.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->When you use terms like "the Asian languages" it leads me to believe that in this case you yourself are 'fairly new' to translation and the languages of the world. You say "asian languages" when, for example, Chinese and Japanese are so radically different they aren't even in the same language family (Chinese belonging to the Sino-Tibetan and Japanese arguably belonging to either the Austronesian or the Altaic family). In fact, these 'asian languages' you speak of and have chosen to group together are divided into the following seven language families: - Uralic - Altaic (a group of three language families) - Dravidian - Sino-Tibetan - Austroasiatic - Austronesian - Tai-Kadai
What I think you are referring to is the number of 'lemmas' in a language, but I'm unable to find any information to corroborate your claim that Hebrew/the asian languages have few lemmas.
This is off-topic but it sounds like you need to stop covering your bases, Cyndane. Either you follow Krishna or Jesus - choose. Because no man can serve two masters. He will either love the one and hate the other or hate the one and love the other.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+May 11 2005, 09:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ May 11 2005, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is off-topic but it sounds like you need to stop covering your bases, Cyndane. Either you follow Krishna or Jesus - choose. Because no man can serve two masters. He will either love the one and hate the other or hate the one and love the other.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I just stated that I follow neither.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Neither is a deity in-so-far as I am concerned, which is why when people quote the bible for wisdom (oxymoron most of the time) I can find something equally as important and yet more tolerant then the same message conveyed in the BG (which is almost as silly). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
@Crispy: Kudos for knowing more then even I expected, you have my new found respect.
I apologize if I seem patronizing, sometimes when I discuss languages to some people it takes a few pages for them to catch on with what is going on. Let alone being able to discuss it with someone who seems genuinely interested as I was in how we speak now and where we may go from here. :-)
Both ancient hebrew, and aramaic along with the greek/latin languages use a phoenician character set. Which is where linear-a, linear-b, and cypriot base their glyphs around.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Linear A has roughly 90 symbols, thus most likely a syllabary much like Linear B. However, Linear A has resisted all attempts at decipherment because its underlying language is still unknown and probably will remain obscure since it doesn't seem to relate to any other surviving language in Europe or Western Asia.
Linear B and Cypriot both exhibit considerable similarity to Linear A. Because of its time depth, Linear A appears to be the immediate ancestor to both of these writing systems. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Cypriot is what was assimilated into the current known greek, and which has lead me to believe that linear-a was an early form of the glyphs we have found before, which later came to be most of the other langauges however, it is deemed very primitive considering the years we are discussing that was probably one of civilizations first written langauges (aside from pictures on cave walls)
Like all Proto-Sinaitic-derived scripts, vowels are not written in either Old Hebrew nor Jewish scripts. However, it became increasingly important to record the vowels when Aramaic became more popular as the spoken language rather than Hebrew. So the system known as "matres lectionis" was devised where certain letters were used to represent long vowels: 'aleph for [a:], he for [o:] and [a:], waw for [o:] and [u:], and yodh for [e:] and [i:]. However, matres lectionis was not a complete system, and by the 9th century CE the practice of adding dots and lines, called nikkudim, above or below a letter to indicate a vowel came into being. This is known as the "Tiberian" system, named after the city of Tiberias in Palestine, and joined matres lectionis as part of the Hebrew writing system.
That is how I draw that conclusion, you are welcome to debate the semantics with me if you wish however, I would suggest we do it in a different thread as this has little to do with bisexuality.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To me personally, the message of Jesus Christ always has been good news for everyone. Personal evangelism has been my basic emphasis in the ministry since I became pastor of a small rural church in South Carolina in 1952 when I was nineteen years old. Our little church led the Baptist Churches of South Carolina one year in per capita baptisms. In all of my churches, both Baptist and MCC, my emphasis has been personal evangelism. What is your emphasis in your ministry? I personally have led hundreds of people to Christ and taught other hundreds of people to become effective in sharing Christ with others. During all of this time I have been homosexual. I have realized that I was **** since I was a about 10 years old. God loves me just as I am and uses me in ministry that fits me and my life as an individual. I pray that you find the same thing for yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+May 11 2005, 07:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ May 11 2005, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is off-topic but it sounds like you need to stop covering your bases, Cyndane. Either you follow Krishna or Jesus - choose. Because no man can serve two masters. He will either love the one and hate the other or hate the one and love the other.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+May 12 2005, 12:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ May 12 2005, 12:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *looks at those dates*
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good point. Maybe Cyn just likes spouting off papers from other people and claiming them as her own.... isn't there a word for that...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, go spy on whatever country you reside in for Russia, China, Korea or any other country (one that you don't live in, hehe.) and see how tolerant your government is with you.
It's called Treason, Talesin. You have to choose an alliance and stop skipping around eventually. You also took that quote out of context what with the day / night job comment.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+May 12 2005, 01:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ May 12 2005, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+May 12 2005, 12:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ May 12 2005, 12:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *looks at those dates*
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good point. Maybe Cyn just likes spouting off papers from other people and claiming them as her own.... isn't there a word for that...
Oh yeah... <span style='color:red'><b>plagiarism</b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> @cxwf: If you would like to know who is the pastor I am quoting I would be more then happy to post the entire bibilography from that paper. Ask instead of sccusing someone of plagarism... when the message board fails to put quotes around a block of text that obviously isn't me. (The reason I didn't is because that post took up almost an entire page of forum content, much like ageris soon after and in all honesty when people see a huge post (even in the discussion forums) they tend to skip over it.)
Last time I checked I was never a pastor nor did I ever claim to be. Nor would I ever want to be, considering there are absolutely no qualifications that makes one a "good" pastor or a "bad" pastor to weed out the fundamentalists.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkAti+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkAti)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, go spy on whatever country you reside in for Russia, China, Korea or any other country (one that you don't live in, hehe.) and see how tolerant your government is with you.
It's called Treason, Talesin. You have to choose an alliance and stop skipping around eventually. You also took that quote out of context what with the day / night job comment.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lets see... other then Korea(North?) your example is flawed. China doesn't care what sexual preference you are because as long as you like communism they couldn't care less. (Don't protest the government and you won't be shot, yet.)
Russia, I had to go to google on this one since my russian current events is not up to date, it was illegal to have homosexualy sex up until 1993, since then it has been legal. Not bad for a second world country, that is pretty poor as it stands now.
South Korea has been one of the most liberal asian countries, and accepts homosexuality.
Your lack of knowledge about other countries and just throwing out assumptions just because they are not first world powers (though russia is still considered quite strong even if they are poor) just shows you really don't even know what you are talking about.
In addition, attempting to prove that because I disagree with both krishna and jesus, both of whom didn't exist is equal to treason? Wow, utterly ignorant on many accounts. Not to mention saying I "have to pick one", for all your knowledge I could be a satanist, or druid. Pathetic really.
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There's an awful lot of people commenting on sexuality here that would probably sound more convincing, were they not virgins. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
From both observing animals whilst growing up on a farm and from observing humans, particularly if they've taken inhibition relaxing chemicals, I can only conclude that bisexuality is the rule, not the exception.
My experiences of people's behaviour at a boarding school for 6 years also back this up. As does the entirety of the classical greek martial tradition, Samurai, sailors and any two co-eds who get drunk.
In conclusion, I agree 100% with the original poster. I also agree strongly with what Easty said about fitting into roles.
A question for Dark ATI...
You aren't a fan of homosexuality. You suggest that it is primarily caused by people's environment and their choices, like hanging around with fruits and liberals.
You even patronisingly suggest that this might excuse these poor, misguided individuals for their behaviour, as being in such an environment can encourage people to think in a manner that you believe is both bad for society and morally repulsive. So...
What type of people did you grow up around?
Has growing up around these people lead you to make lifestyle choices based purely on their influence?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A question for Dark ATI...
You aren't a fan of homosexuality. You suggest that it is primarily caused by people's environment and their choices, like hanging around with fruits and liberals.
You even patronisingly suggest that this might excuse these poor, misguided individuals for their behaviour, as being in such an environment can encourage people to think in a manner that you believe is both bad for society and morally repulsive. So...
What type of people did you grow up around?
Has growing up around these people lead you to make lifestyle choices based purely on their influence?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have lived in... three states in my short 16 years of life. I lived in Arkansas for 5 years, California for 4 and now I live in Texas. I grew up around all kinds of people... in Arkansas I grew up mostly around radio voices (my dad did morning drive radio), in California I made lots of actor/actress friends, some ****, some not. I'm not a fan of homosexuality but I'm for sure not against homosexuals. And now I live in Texas. I hang out with church friends, theatre friends, various acting friends, college friends, rx-7 owner friends... all kinds of people.
So for your last question... yes, I suppose. Not very often as I am one to make decisions on my own most of the time but I am sure I've made some choices based on various influences.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hope he doesn't take this as a personal attack, but according to his profile, DarkATI lives in Texas (although he might not have grown up there).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why would I take that as a personal attack? That's where I live, lol. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good point. Maybe Cyn just likes spouting off papers from other people and claiming them as her own.... isn't there a word for that...
Oh yeah... <span style='color:red'><b>plagiarism</b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> @cxwf: If you would like to know who is the pastor I am quoting I would be more then happy to post the entire bibilography from that paper. Ask instead of sccusing someone of plagarism... when the message board fails to put quotes around a block of text that obviously isn't me. (The reason I didn't is because that post took up almost an entire page of forum content, much like ageris soon after and in all honesty when people see a huge post (even in the discussion forums) they tend to skip over it.)
Last time I checked I was never a pastor nor did I ever claim to be. Nor would I ever want to be, considering there are absolutely no qualifications that makes one a "good" pastor or a "bad" pastor to weed out the fundamentalists.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkAti+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkAti)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, go spy on whatever country you reside in for Russia, China, Korea or any other country (one that you don't live in, hehe.) and see how tolerant your government is with you.
It's called Treason, Talesin. You have to choose an alliance and stop skipping around eventually. You also took that quote out of context what with the day / night job comment.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lets see... other then Korea(North?) your example is flawed. China doesn't care what sexual preference you are because as long as you like communism they couldn't care less. (Don't protest the government and you won't be shot, yet.)
Russia, I had to go to google on this one since my russian current events is not up to date, it was illegal to have homosexualy sex up until 1993, since then it has been legal. Not bad for a second world country, that is pretty poor as it stands now.
South Korea has been one of the most liberal asian countries, and accepts homosexuality.
Your lack of knowledge about other countries and just throwing out assumptions just because they are not first world powers (though russia is still considered quite strong even if they are poor) just shows you really don't even know what you are talking about.
In addition, attempting to prove that because I disagree with both krishna and jesus, both of whom didn't exist is equal to treason? Wow, utterly ignorant on many accounts. Not to mention saying I "have to pick one", for all your knowledge I could be a satanist, or druid. Pathetic really. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You, my dear, totally missed my point.
I was referring to treason, not homosexuality. Talesin made a comment on my "no man can serve two masters" comment. I was referring to loyalty to a nation or country. You completely mis-read what I said.
Also, your paper truly threw me off. Next time you quote someone, please, make it more obvious and don't choose quotes that start off saying, "For me personally," it just isn't a good idea. And the fact that "most people skip over large posts" doesn't justify it.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+May 12 2005, 09:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ May 12 2005, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hope he doesn't take this as a personal attack, but according to his profile, DarkATI lives in Texas (although he might not have grown up there).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why would I take that as a personal attack? That's where I live, lol. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because you might find offense that I was making a broad generalisation and have thought that I was including you in that sweeping remark.
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good point. Maybe Cyn just likes spouting off papers from other people and claiming them as her own.... isn't there a word for that...
Oh yeah... <span style='color:red'><b>plagiarism</b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> @cxwf: If you would like to know who is the pastor I am quoting I would be more then happy to post the entire bibilography from that paper. Ask instead of sccusing someone of plagarism... when the message board fails to put quotes around a block of text that obviously isn't me. (The reason I didn't is because that post took up almost an entire page of forum content, much like ageris soon after and in all honesty when people see a huge post (even in the discussion forums) they tend to skip over it.)
Last time I checked I was never a pastor nor did I ever claim to be. Nor would I ever want to be, considering there are absolutely no qualifications that makes one a "good" pastor or a "bad" pastor to weed out the fundamentalists.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkAti+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkAti)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, go spy on whatever country you reside in for Russia, China, Korea or any other country (one that you don't live in, hehe.) and see how tolerant your government is with you.
It's called Treason, Talesin. You have to choose an alliance and stop skipping around eventually. You also took that quote out of context what with the day / night job comment.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lets see... other then Korea(North?) your example is flawed. China doesn't care what sexual preference you are because as long as you like communism they couldn't care less. (Don't protest the government and you won't be shot, yet.)
Russia, I had to go to google on this one since my russian current events is not up to date, it was illegal to have homosexualy sex up until 1993, since then it has been legal. Not bad for a second world country, that is pretty poor as it stands now.
South Korea has been one of the most liberal asian countries, and accepts homosexuality.
Your lack of knowledge about other countries and just throwing out assumptions just because they are not first world powers (though russia is still considered quite strong even if they are poor) just shows you really don't even know what you are talking about.
In addition, attempting to prove that because I disagree with both krishna and jesus, both of whom didn't exist is equal to treason? Wow, utterly ignorant on many accounts. Not to mention saying I "have to pick one", for all your knowledge I could be a satanist, or druid. Pathetic really. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You, my dear, totally missed my point.
I was referring to treason, not homosexuality. Talesin made a comment on my "no man can serve two masters" comment. I was referring to loyalty to a nation or country. You completely mis-read what I said.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The whole point was to take you off guard. All I did was copy paste from orginal document, it failed to copy the quotes(unintended result). I attempted to proof read it but I missed some, as you can tell. Biblographies are not that important when you are using a message board system, if you haven't notice from many peoples post, if someone wishes for me to post it I would be more then happy to.
<!--QuoteBegin-darkati+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (darkati)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, your paper truly threw me off. Next time you quote someone, please, make it more obvious and don't choose quotes that start off saying, "For me personally," it just isn't a good idea. And the fact that "most people skip over large posts" doesn't justify it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Either way, I still maintain I am correct, and I have yet to see anything that states other wise, so can we agree now that the bible says nothing about homosexuality being wrong consensually, and finally drop it from a thread that doesn't even have anything to do with religious reasons.
You also might take it as a personal attack since texas has been leading the way for oppressing peoples rights for a very conserative state, I would have expected that from SD, or even ND but with so many people living there that is as bad as the Crowe laws.
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Actually, it's quite the same. After all, if your Burger King is competing with the McDonald's across the way, but you work at both... isn't that 'treason'?
Oh, and let's not forget that a NUMBER of people have dual-citizenship between nations. So that's another analogy shot to cheesecloth.
The short version is the same thing that AvengerX had essentially been saying. 'It's wrong because My God says so!'. There's nothing you can really say about that. It's faith. And you can't argue with what some people will brainwash themselves into believing.
Or in the words of George Carlin (if memory serves), 'My god has a bigger **** than YOUR god!' is what the whole thing boils down to.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+May 12 2005, 09:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ May 12 2005, 09:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The short version is the same thing that AvengerX had essentially been saying. 'It's wrong because My God says so!'. There's nothing you can really say about that. It's faith. And you can't argue with what some people will brainwash themselves into believing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, but talesin, their god doesn't say anything bad about it...
i would like to point out at this moment, that my environment, and the people around me didnt really influence me into realising my sexuality. they infact nearly drove me away from what i knew to be true deep down.
might i suggest, that from now on, people post their own sexuality, their gender, their view, their reason for their view, and leave it at that.
after 2-3 pages of sane replies, we can then go back and argue bout something someone said, or a 2000 year old book <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(ps, im agnostic. i will believe in a deity/deities if given sufficient proof, but please DONT try to convince me. ive heard all the arguments before. give me a blip on a waveform, a picture, or their phone number, but dont give me religious debate <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Defender, I don't know that ANYONE can say at all -why- they feel the way they are, or how they got to be that way. I'm somewhat certain that the environment has absolutely no effect on the sexual preference of an individual.
However, in the interest of compiling information, I am straight, male, I have no issues with any sexual orientation (so long as you do not attempt to force it upon me), have had no homosexual feelings, and I've never been any other way that I'm aware of. Not even drunk.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+May 11 2005, 08:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 11 2005, 08:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+May 11 2005, 07:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 11 2005, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm a proud follower of my own religion, which is a nice mix of atheism, science, and the knowledge that I'm right until proven wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He is following cyndanism, (which means I can now get a tax break that I have one more follower) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!
Sure, take your tax break, but I still follow my own religion, because, as I'm sure you've noticed, I don't like all of Cyn's ideas (just most of them).
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+May 12 2005, 01:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 12 2005, 01:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+May 11 2005, 08:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 11 2005, 08:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+May 11 2005, 07:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 11 2005, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm a proud follower of my own religion, which is a nice mix of atheism, science, and the knowledge that I'm right until proven wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He is following cyndanism, (which means I can now get a tax break that I have one more follower) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!
Sure, take your tax break, but I still follow my own religion, because, as I'm sure you've noticed, I don't like all of Cyn's ideas (just <b> all </b> of them). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fixed since you follow cyndanism. :-)
asal, thnx for the on-topic reply <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i would like to point out my story from the top. i think that i can explain. it was a sequence of events that took place over about 6 months
david tennant helped <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (the hero of the casanova series on BBC 2&3)
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<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Decide who you follow. Lord Krishna or Lord Jesus.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
@DarkAti Considering hinduism is more tolerant then christianity, thats an easy choice.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Setting aside the point of whether thats true or not, how exactly does it matter? If Krishna is God, then Jesus isn't. If Jesus is God, then Krishna isn't. Which one preached more tolerance ought to be insignificant compared to the question of which one is actually a deity. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Neither is a deity in-so-far as I am concerned, which is why when people quote the bible for wisdom (oxymoron most of the time) I can find something equally as important and yet more tolerant then the same message conveyed in the BG (which is almost as silly).
In all actually, the same can be said for buddism, jainism, and some forms of humanitarism.
I'd also like to point out the bible really doesn't have any bearing on this thread as I have previously pointed out, since it <b> never </b> outright condems <b> consensual </b> homosexuality or bisexuality.
i myself am a "Newly Discovered" bi male. i loved the hell outta this girl (mentally. im not really into the wanking over a girl thing, i prefer peoples conversation to their ****/vag) and when i asked her out, it turned out her and her mates thought i was ****.
now, at the time, this was worse than being kicked in the balls or anything. it was sooo humiliating: i had been hanging out with her for ages, and she thought it was cos i was her hand-bag guy?
it was after that that doubts crept in. maybe i was ****, i mean, i did fancy that guy off the tv, and there was a coupla those guys from 6th form i liked. was it just coincedence? had these girls noticed what i hadnt: that i was ****, and just happened to like this girl coincedentally?
well, i kept this to myself for quite a while, worrying about it, and worrying about what would happen if i told my friends. i wasnt worried about what they would say but worried that some of the guys might be uncomfrotable, and maybe avoid me. i eventually talked to someone about how i felt, a girl i know, and as i did, i think i kinda realised something. i realised that i liked both guys AND girls. i liked girls for their minds, but was more shallow when it came to guys. this was possibly because i was constantly quizzed over which guys i fancied etc, and i let my vague feelings take over from my moral beliefs.
anyway, i eventually came out with it properly. i didnt go round telling everyone, but i told my closer friends (the less xenophobic riends i have, luckily), and if anyone asks i tell them. why keep it a secret, its who i am!
PS, still, gotta admit, c*cks ARE ugly as sin <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Neither is a deity in-so-far as I am concerned, which is why when people quote the bible for wisdom (oxymoron most of the time) I can find something equally as important and yet more tolerant then the same message conveyed in the BG (which is almost as silly).
In all actually, the same can be said for buddism, jainism, and some forms of humanitarism. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok then, so you're not actually saying you follow Krishna over Jesus...you're actually saying you follow Cyndane over Jesus. Just so we're clear on that.
Ok then, so you're not actually saying you follow Krishna over Jesus...you're actually saying you follow Cyndane over Jesus. Just so we're clear on that.
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If you wish to call it my own religion works just as well for me, however there would be only one member, and I don't get tax exmept status. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have never expressed any pariality to any religion I have ever done research on, nor mentioned here. If you can't go into theological studies objectively you will not get very far.
He is following cyndanism, (which means I can now get a tax break that I have one more follower) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
My real point is this:
We Christians believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. Therefore when we quote the Bible, we believe we are referring to a higher authority than our own opinions. I suppose its possible we might be wrong, but thats the idea at least.
You apparently don't believe that Krishna was anything but a normal human. Therefore, when you quote the BG, you are simply quoting someone you happen to agree with. The fact that Krisha said it before you did isn't really important at all, you're just borrowing his wording. And therefore we have no more reason to take that seriously than any other random opinions you may express on these boards. In fact, even you have no real reason to follow advice that Krishna gave rather than deciding something on your own.
That is no different in any respect since I treat them both the same, it evens out for myself.
Point still stands though, the bible/BG/Vedas/Toran/Koran has no reason to be in this thread at all.
However new I may be to the discussions forum I'm not that new to life, so you can get down from wherever you think it is you are and talk to people without the patronising comments.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I shall assume you have basic working knowledge of the bible (aka what you were taught while you grew up.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why on Earth should you assume that? It's better not to assume before you lecture people on how they might be wrong, the irony just overwhelms me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now, just for the record, almost all of what you were taught is wrong. (reguarding how translations work)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I wasn't taught anything about translating Hebrew or biblical texts, so I'm not sure how much of a 'record' this really is. Regardless of this I am currently in my third of a four year course in Modern Languages, so I know a fair bit about the ins and outs of translation (for example in the previous academic year I was translating a newspaper article every week in just one of my French modules.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Second, the ancient hewbrew langauge is based off of linear-a, which means it has 30,000 words tops.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I have found absolutely no evidence that suggests that Ancient Hebrew has its roots in Linear A. If you can point me in the direction of who has made this claim I'd be interested to read more. All the examples that I did find regarding Linear A pointed to the fact that it was developed by the Minoan civilisation. What has been suggested is that Linear A doesn't seem to relate to any other surviving language in Europe or Western Asia.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Third, many of those words, like the asian languages cover many different meanings.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->When you use terms like "the Asian languages" it leads me to believe that in this case you yourself are 'fairly new' to translation and the languages of the world. You say "asian languages" when, for example, Chinese and Japanese are so radically different they aren't even in the same language family (Chinese belonging to the Sino-Tibetan and Japanese arguably belonging to either the Austronesian or the Altaic family). In fact, these 'asian languages' you speak of and have chosen to group together are divided into the following seven language families:
- Uralic
- Altaic (a group of three language families)
- Dravidian
- Sino-Tibetan
- Austroasiatic
- Austronesian
- Tai-Kadai
What I think you are referring to is the number of 'lemmas' in a language, but I'm unable to find any information to corroborate your claim that Hebrew/the asian languages have few lemmas.
~ DarkATi
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I just stated that I follow neither.
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Neither is a deity in-so-far as I am concerned, which is why when people quote the bible for wisdom (oxymoron most of the time) I can find something equally as important and yet more tolerant then the same message conveyed in the BG (which is almost as silly).
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@Crispy: Kudos for knowing more then even I expected, you have my new found respect.
I apologize if I seem patronizing, sometimes when I discuss languages to some people it takes a few pages for them to catch on with what is going on. Let alone being able to discuss it with someone who seems genuinely interested as I was in how we speak now and where we may go from here. :-)
Both ancient hebrew, and aramaic along with the greek/latin languages use a phoenician character set. Which is where linear-a, linear-b, and cypriot base their glyphs around.
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Linear A has roughly 90 symbols, thus most likely a syllabary much like Linear B. However, Linear A has resisted all attempts at decipherment because its underlying language is still unknown and probably will remain obscure since it doesn't seem to relate to any other surviving language in Europe or Western Asia.
Linear B and Cypriot both exhibit considerable similarity to Linear A. Because of its time depth, Linear A appears to be the immediate ancestor to both of these writing systems.
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Cypriot is what was assimilated into the current known greek, and which has lead me to believe that linear-a was an early form of the glyphs we have found before, which later came to be most of the other langauges however, it is deemed very primitive considering the years we are discussing that was probably one of civilizations first written langauges (aside from pictures on cave walls)
Like all Proto-Sinaitic-derived scripts, vowels are not written in either Old Hebrew nor Jewish scripts. However, it became increasingly important to record the vowels when Aramaic became more popular as the spoken language rather than Hebrew. So the system known as "matres lectionis" was devised where certain letters were used to represent long vowels: 'aleph for [a:], he for [o:] and [a:], waw for [o:] and [u:], and yodh for [e:] and [i:]. However, matres lectionis was not a complete system, and by the 9th century CE the practice of adding dots and lines, called nikkudim, above or below a letter to indicate a vowel came into being. This is known as the "Tiberian" system, named after the city of Tiberias in Palestine, and joined matres lectionis as part of the Hebrew writing system.
That is how I draw that conclusion, you are welcome to debate the semantics with me if you wish however, I would suggest we do it in a different thread as this has little to do with bisexuality.
*edited for spelling errors* GG late nights.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To me personally, the message of Jesus Christ always has been good news for everyone. Personal evangelism has been my basic emphasis in the ministry since I became pastor of a small rural church in South Carolina in 1952 when I was nineteen years old. Our little church led the Baptist Churches of South Carolina one year in per capita baptisms. In all of my churches, both Baptist and MCC, my emphasis has been personal evangelism. What is your emphasis in your ministry? I personally have led hundreds of people to Christ and taught other hundreds of people to become effective in sharing Christ with others. During all of this time I have been homosexual. I have realized that I was **** since I was a about 10 years old. God loves me just as I am and uses me in ministry that fits me and my life as an individual. I pray that you find the same thing for yourself.
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~ DarkATi
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72.
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And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good point. Maybe Cyn just likes spouting off papers from other people and claiming them as her own.... isn't there a word for that...
Oh yeah... <span style='color:red'><b>plagiarism</b></span>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, go spy on whatever country you reside in for Russia, China, Korea or any other country (one that you don't live in, hehe.) and see how tolerant your government is with you.
It's called Treason, Talesin. You have to choose an alliance and stop skipping around eventually. You also took that quote out of context what with the day / night job comment.
~ DarkATi
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good point. Maybe Cyn just likes spouting off papers from other people and claiming them as her own.... isn't there a word for that...
Oh yeah... <span style='color:red'><b>plagiarism</b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
@cxwf: If you would like to know who is the pastor I am quoting I would be more then happy to post the entire bibilography from that paper. Ask instead of sccusing someone of plagarism... when the message board fails to put quotes around a block of text that obviously isn't me. (The reason I didn't is because that post took up almost an entire page of forum content, much like ageris soon after and in all honesty when people see a huge post (even in the discussion forums) they tend to skip over it.)
Last time I checked I was never a pastor nor did I ever claim to be. Nor would I ever want to be, considering there are absolutely no qualifications that makes one a "good" pastor or a "bad" pastor to weed out the fundamentalists.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkAti+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkAti)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, go spy on whatever country you reside in for Russia, China, Korea or any other country (one that you don't live in, hehe.) and see how tolerant your government is with you.
It's called Treason, Talesin. You have to choose an alliance and stop skipping around eventually. You also took that quote out of context what with the day / night job comment.
~ DarkATi
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Lets see... other then Korea(North?) your example is flawed.
China doesn't care what sexual preference you are because as long as you like communism they couldn't care less. (Don't protest the government and you won't be shot, yet.)
Russia, I had to go to google on this one since my russian current events is not up to date, it was illegal to have homosexualy sex up until 1993, since then it has been legal. Not bad for a second world country, that is pretty poor as it stands now.
South Korea has been one of the most liberal asian countries, and accepts homosexuality.
Your lack of knowledge about other countries and just throwing out assumptions just because they are not first world powers (though russia is still considered quite strong even if they are poor) just shows you really don't even know what you are talking about.
In addition, attempting to prove that because I disagree with both krishna and jesus, both of whom didn't exist is equal to treason? Wow, utterly ignorant on many accounts. Not to mention saying I "have to pick one", for all your knowledge I could be a satanist, or druid. Pathetic really.
From both observing animals whilst growing up on a farm and from observing humans, particularly if they've taken inhibition relaxing chemicals, I can only conclude that bisexuality is the rule, not the exception.
My experiences of people's behaviour at a boarding school for 6 years also back this up. As does the entirety of the classical greek martial tradition, Samurai, sailors and any two co-eds who get drunk.
In conclusion, I agree 100% with the original poster. I also agree strongly with what Easty said about fitting into roles.
A question for Dark ATI...
You aren't a fan of homosexuality. You suggest that it is primarily caused by people's environment and their choices, like hanging around with fruits and liberals.
You even patronisingly suggest that this might excuse these poor, misguided individuals for their behaviour, as being in such an environment can encourage people to think in a manner that you believe is both bad for society and morally repulsive. So...
What type of people did you grow up around?
Has growing up around these people lead you to make lifestyle choices based purely on their influence?
You aren't a fan of homosexuality. You suggest that it is primarily caused by people's environment and their choices, like hanging around with fruits and liberals.
You even patronisingly suggest that this might excuse these poor, misguided individuals for their behaviour, as being in such an environment can encourage people to think in a manner that you believe is both bad for society and morally repulsive. So...
What type of people did you grow up around?
Has growing up around these people lead you to make lifestyle choices based purely on their influence?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have lived in... three states in my short 16 years of life. I lived in Arkansas for 5 years, California for 4 and now I live in Texas. I grew up around all kinds of people... in Arkansas I grew up mostly around radio voices (my dad did morning drive radio), in California I made lots of actor/actress friends, some ****, some not. I'm not a fan of homosexuality but I'm for sure not against homosexuals. And now I live in Texas. I hang out with church friends, theatre friends, various acting friends, college friends, rx-7 owner friends... all kinds of people.
So for your last question... yes, I suppose. Not very often as I am one to make decisions on my own most of the time but I am sure I've made some choices based on various influences.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hope he doesn't take this as a personal attack, but according to his profile, DarkATI lives in Texas (although he might not have grown up there).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why would I take that as a personal attack? That's where I live, lol. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good point. Maybe Cyn just likes spouting off papers from other people and claiming them as her own.... isn't there a word for that...
Oh yeah... <span style='color:red'><b>plagiarism</b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
@cxwf: If you would like to know who is the pastor I am quoting I would be more then happy to post the entire bibilography from that paper. Ask instead of sccusing someone of plagarism... when the message board fails to put quotes around a block of text that obviously isn't me. (The reason I didn't is because that post took up almost an entire page of forum content, much like ageris soon after and in all honesty when people see a huge post (even in the discussion forums) they tend to skip over it.)
Last time I checked I was never a pastor nor did I ever claim to be. Nor would I ever want to be, considering there are absolutely no qualifications that makes one a "good" pastor or a "bad" pastor to weed out the fundamentalists.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkAti+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkAti)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, go spy on whatever country you reside in for Russia, China, Korea or any other country (one that you don't live in, hehe.) and see how tolerant your government is with you.
It's called Treason, Talesin. You have to choose an alliance and stop skipping around eventually. You also took that quote out of context what with the day / night job comment.
~ DarkATi
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Lets see... other then Korea(North?) your example is flawed.
China doesn't care what sexual preference you are because as long as you like communism they couldn't care less. (Don't protest the government and you won't be shot, yet.)
Russia, I had to go to google on this one since my russian current events is not up to date, it was illegal to have homosexualy sex up until 1993, since then it has been legal. Not bad for a second world country, that is pretty poor as it stands now.
South Korea has been one of the most liberal asian countries, and accepts homosexuality.
Your lack of knowledge about other countries and just throwing out assumptions just because they are not first world powers (though russia is still considered quite strong even if they are poor) just shows you really don't even know what you are talking about.
In addition, attempting to prove that because I disagree with both krishna and jesus, both of whom didn't exist is equal to treason? Wow, utterly ignorant on many accounts. Not to mention saying I "have to pick one", for all your knowledge I could be a satanist, or druid. Pathetic really. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You, my dear, totally missed my point.
I was referring to treason, not homosexuality. Talesin made a comment on my "no man can serve two masters" comment. I was referring to loyalty to a nation or country. You completely mis-read what I said.
Also, your paper truly threw me off. Next time you quote someone, please, make it more obvious and don't choose quotes that start off saying, "For me personally," it just isn't a good idea. And the fact that "most people skip over large posts" doesn't justify it.
~ DarkATi
Why would I take that as a personal attack? That's where I live, lol. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because you might find offense that I was making a broad generalisation and have thought that I was including you in that sweeping remark.
That would put Cyndane at...72 years old? Are you sure Cyndane was the original author of that? She doesn't seem like she's 72. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good point. Maybe Cyn just likes spouting off papers from other people and claiming them as her own.... isn't there a word for that...
Oh yeah... <span style='color:red'><b>plagiarism</b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
@cxwf: If you would like to know who is the pastor I am quoting I would be more then happy to post the entire bibilography from that paper. Ask instead of sccusing someone of plagarism... when the message board fails to put quotes around a block of text that obviously isn't me. (The reason I didn't is because that post took up almost an entire page of forum content, much like ageris soon after and in all honesty when people see a huge post (even in the discussion forums) they tend to skip over it.)
Last time I checked I was never a pastor nor did I ever claim to be. Nor would I ever want to be, considering there are absolutely no qualifications that makes one a "good" pastor or a "bad" pastor to weed out the fundamentalists.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkAti+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkAti)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And so we have an example of why some christians tend to be... less than accepting. But of course, the Christian God loves all. (obviously flawed quip) Except those who have to run a day job AND a night job.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, go spy on whatever country you reside in for Russia, China, Korea or any other country (one that you don't live in, hehe.) and see how tolerant your government is with you.
It's called Treason, Talesin. You have to choose an alliance and stop skipping around eventually. You also took that quote out of context what with the day / night job comment.
~ DarkATi
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Lets see... other then Korea(North?) your example is flawed.
China doesn't care what sexual preference you are because as long as you like communism they couldn't care less. (Don't protest the government and you won't be shot, yet.)
Russia, I had to go to google on this one since my russian current events is not up to date, it was illegal to have homosexualy sex up until 1993, since then it has been legal. Not bad for a second world country, that is pretty poor as it stands now.
South Korea has been one of the most liberal asian countries, and accepts homosexuality.
Your lack of knowledge about other countries and just throwing out assumptions just because they are not first world powers (though russia is still considered quite strong even if they are poor) just shows you really don't even know what you are talking about.
In addition, attempting to prove that because I disagree with both krishna and jesus, both of whom didn't exist is equal to treason? Wow, utterly ignorant on many accounts. Not to mention saying I "have to pick one", for all your knowledge I could be a satanist, or druid. Pathetic really. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You, my dear, totally missed my point.
I was referring to treason, not homosexuality. Talesin made a comment on my "no man can serve two masters" comment. I was referring to loyalty to a nation or country. You completely mis-read what I said.
~ DarkATi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The whole point was to take you off guard. All I did was copy paste from orginal document, it failed to copy the quotes(unintended result). I attempted to proof read it but I missed some, as you can tell. Biblographies are not that important when you are using a message board system, if you haven't notice from many peoples post, if someone wishes for me to post it I would be more then happy to.
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Also, your paper truly threw me off. Next time you quote someone, please, make it more obvious and don't choose quotes that start off saying, "For me personally," it just isn't a good idea. And the fact that "most people skip over large posts" doesn't justify it.
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Either way, I still maintain I am correct, and I have yet to see anything that states other wise, so can we agree now that the bible says nothing about homosexuality being wrong consensually, and finally drop it from a thread that doesn't even have anything to do with religious reasons.
You also might take it as a personal attack since texas has been leading the way for oppressing peoples rights for a very conserative state, I would have expected that from SD, or even ND but with so many people living there that is as bad as the Crowe laws.
Oh, and let's not forget that a NUMBER of people have dual-citizenship between nations. So that's another analogy shot to cheesecloth.
The short version is the same thing that AvengerX had essentially been saying. 'It's wrong because My God says so!'. There's nothing you can really say about that. It's faith. And you can't argue with what some people will brainwash themselves into believing.
Or in the words of George Carlin (if memory serves), 'My god has a bigger **** than YOUR god!' is what the whole thing boils down to.
Yes, but talesin, their god doesn't say anything bad about it...
might i suggest, that from now on, people post their own sexuality, their gender, their view, their reason for their view, and leave it at that.
after 2-3 pages of sane replies, we can then go back and argue bout something someone said, or a 2000 year old book <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(ps, im agnostic. i will believe in a deity/deities if given sufficient proof, but please DONT try to convince me. ive heard all the arguments before. give me a blip on a waveform, a picture, or their phone number, but dont give me religious debate <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
However, in the interest of compiling information, I am straight, male, I have no issues with any sexual orientation (so long as you do not attempt to force it upon me), have had no homosexual feelings, and I've never been any other way that I'm aware of. Not even drunk.
He is following cyndanism, (which means I can now get a tax break that I have one more follower) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!
Sure, take your tax break, but I still follow my own religion, because, as I'm sure you've noticed, I don't like all of Cyn's ideas (just most of them).
He is following cyndanism, (which means I can now get a tax break that I have one more follower) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!
Sure, take your tax break, but I still follow my own religion, because, as I'm sure you've noticed, I don't like all of Cyn's ideas (just <b> all </b> of them). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fixed since you follow cyndanism. :-)
i would like to point out my story from the top. i think that i can explain. it was a sequence of events that took place over about 6 months
david tennant helped <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (the hero of the casanova series on BBC 2&3)