Are There Any Keyboarders Left?

relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
And by keyboarders I mean people who use the keyboard to aim like in the old Doom days. I can't possibly imagine a killing a skulk or lerking with a keyboard but I just had to ask because a friend of mine plays dm and he says he still uses the keyboard. I suppose you could be a commander or a gorge or maybe even an onos. Any body out there still use those arrow keys?
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  • ReD1ReD1 Join Date: 2004-03-18 Member: 27406Members, Constellation
    Arrow keys to aim? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> No thanks
  • OtsOts Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18577Members, Constellation
    mouse is for nublets.
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    havn't used keyboard only since duke3d
  • keep_it_Gangstakeep_it_Gangsta Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17632Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+May 25 2005, 06:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ May 25 2005, 06:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> havn't used keyboard only since duke3d <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I still used the mouse in that <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I could never use the mouse in duke3d... it just seemed clunky and out of place. Not that you really ever needed to, when you can shoot straight and it hits enemies that are still above you or below you as long as you can see them.

    Reminded me of the doom aiming system.

    NS is entirely impossible outside of possibly comming (just might be a little slower)
  • HeliocentricHeliocentric Join Date: 2005-04-24 Member: 49650Members
    well, i was using a £2.99 mechanical mouse.
    my new one uses LASERS!

    but a typer player?

    either its too slow to get a skulk.. or its too fast for conventional use.

    to be honest, playing as a skulk with keyboard isnt unthinkable on pubs.
  • XCanXCan Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
    Last game I used keyboards on was Quake. It worked just fine as it had a built in autoaim.
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+May 25 2005, 02:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ May 25 2005, 02:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I could never use the mouse in duke3d... it just seemed clunky and out of place. Not that you really ever needed to, when you can shoot straight and it hits enemies that are still above you or below you as long as you can see them.

    Reminded me of the doom aiming system.

    NS is entirely impossible outside of possibly comming (just might be a little slower) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    one of my freidns does though... he's pretty good cept when targeting flying lerks, blinking fades, or celerity skulks.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    I played NS once with the keyboard because my mouse crapped out during a game - it's unplayable and I quit soon after.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    only games I play without mouse are games either:
    * lacking mouse support
    * play better by gamepad (which I currently lack)
    * Soul Reaver Series (mouse is crap in this)
  • BreakthroughBreakthrough Texture Artist (ns_prometheus) Join Date: 2005-03-27 Member: 46620Members, Constellation
    Last game I played with a keyboard was Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear. Half-Life was the game that introduced me into aiming with a mouse... I liked it.
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    I'm trying to jostle my layman's mind into engineer-mode and figure out how you'd solve this. I'll say it could be done, crudely and still nowhere near as well as a player who has learned naturally on a mouse, but it could be done.

    OK lets say you have a nice normal blockscripts_0 server and you're just going to take your standard halflife/natural selection default button config and shake it like an etch-a-sketch till it's blank.

    To aim I guess you're going to need to be able to tap a button to increase or decrease your sensitivity... on separate X and Y axis, since a uniform increase or decrease would disrupt precise aiming. You might be able to rig up something in your usercfg that could bump up or down the m_yaw and m_pitch settings, maybe on the <- and -> buttons for yaw and ^ and v arrows for the pitch? Along with key buttons to comfortable aiming-sensitivity ranges for normal operation so you aren't always focusing on pressing the buttons to alter the rate at which you turn and look up and down. Something like a low sensitivity long rang mode button, medium-high sensitivity normal operations, superhigh skulk, lerk, cqb marine mode with triggerable 180 and 90 degree turn scripts maybe for leet backwards-sideways marine reverse-bhop-strafe-glide-powerjump action? You're obviously going to need to use multiple cfgs, just as sensitivity cfgs, and no mousewheel obviously available for "LEGIT" bhopping so this kind of <b>requires</b> a 3jump script on spacebar or whatever to do it correctly. And by correctly I mean competitively, as though you had somehow LOST YOUR RIGHT ARM UP TO THE SHOULDER in some freak accident but were still trying to do everything in your power to give yourself the same abilities you had back when you PLAYED VOLLEYBALL in order to TRY AND KEEP PLAYING. A 3jump would be modest.



    You're also going to have to get used to using your movement buttons to aim just as much as your turning buttons, I presume. Like ducking and jumping in time with bhoppers so you are both kind of going the exact same velocity maybe? Plus I'm not even sure if you can bhop with the keyboard even with a 3jump script. You PROBABLY can, pretty easily maybe I've never tried, but actually coming out of it into a bite or through precise map archetexture might be difficult.

    What you'd really want to do is adjust your crosshairs so you could see the things better, maybe create some new ones. The default NS xhairs are cool but kind of crappy for actually aiming at stuff. I'd go go gadget MSPaint and get a HUGE bold "<b>O</b>" for a close range cqb-sensitivity xhair, maybe a "[_]" box denoting where the furthest sides of the biteguns are for stretching and trying to get those extra bites, a regular Gluon Gun "o" for standard operations so you'd know just when to trigger your LMG to hit the skulk the second that he goes through your crudely operated targetting system, and a nice wee little halflife shotgun circledot for pistol and long range precision sensitivity-setting mode.

    Also you're going to have to bind like every button on your keyboard and probably have a ESDF home-base and a OKLsemicolon home-base for your left hand because you'll need two different clusters of buttons, just because the multiple roles NS would put you through might require that many programmable configs.

    This is a ridiculously complex game and the more it requires precise human nervous input through mice and lightguns to aim, the more using a keyboard is going to look like the fate of kids with cerebral palsy and stuff. I mean you might as well be trying to regulate your lungs with your forebrain and a slacked jaw. At least trying to organize and make it rational would let keyboarders look less like mouthbreathers.
  • NukeAJSNukeAJS Join Date: 2004-05-04 Member: 28443Members
    If I observed someone using a keyboard to aim I'd kick them from my server. At first because their movements seem very "odd" but then after I realized they suck I'd kick them for that reason.
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    With a group of honest players, a 'keyboard only' round or two could be quite entertaining though...
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Last time I used a keyboard to aim and move was a Doom2 tournament at a local LANcafe, about eight or nine years ago. Got completely worked by the others, who called a truce to circlestrafe me, but never shoot. The keyboard wouldn't turn me fast enough to fire at any of them. :b
  • RoverRover blargh Join Date: 2003-09-23 Member: 21139Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+May 25 2005, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ May 25 2005, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> With a group of honest players, a 'keyboard only' round or two could be quite entertaining though... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOL celer lerk would be hard as hell, so would flying up & hitting the onos beneath you
  • BryBry Join Date: 2003-01-23 Member: 12609Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rover+May 25 2005, 09:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rover @ May 25 2005, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+May 25 2005, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ May 25 2005, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> With a group of honest players, a 'keyboard only' round or two could be quite entertaining though... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOL celer lerk would be hard as hell, so would flying up & hitting the onos beneath you <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    aye lol celerity lerk would be quite entertaining.

    and tbh i never even really thought about using the keyboard to aima nd the thought of it makes me shudder
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    Last time I used the keyboard only was back in Jedi Knight, quite a few years ago.

    I can remember having my fingers fly all over the keyboard to hit all the force powers/aiming/movie/strafing at the same time.

    I can honestly say it was very hard. Not to mention all the looks I get from people while I was at a LAN and was able to confuse people by never touching the mouse and still aiming fairly decently.

    Won't ever go back though, even with HL/NS not being as fast as JK.
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    /yay at freedom of the mouse.


    I switched from keyboard to mouse when going from Wolfenstein3D to Duke Nukem 3D

    *memories coming up....*
  • 2_of_Eight2_of_Eight Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20016Members
    My last time was Duke Nukem 3D... heh never tried playing with a keyboard ever since.
    Except for driving games. Do you guys use keyboard for steering, or mouse? (forget that you have a joystick/steering wheel/etc).
  • Shadow_SporkShadow_Spork Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33306Members
    Before playing Counter-Strike, I used to play Half-Life with the keyboard. At the time, I didn't know jack squat about using the mouse until my friend introduced me to CS.
  • BloodBallBloodBall Join Date: 2003-07-11 Member: 18098Members
    I have a friend who uses two keys to look left and right, but the mouse to aim around.
  • Fatal_ErrorFatal_Error Join Date: 2005-01-15 Member: 35840Members
    If I did, it would be unplayable, since I use the arrow keys to move. Arrow keys ftw!
  • HellbillyHellbilly A whole title out of pity... Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3931Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+May 25 2005, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ May 25 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> With a group of honest players, a 'keyboard only' round or two could be quite entertaining though... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Now that sounds like a stupidly entertaining idea. I'd show up for it for laughs. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Hellbilly+May 27 2005, 01:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hellbilly @ May 27 2005, 01:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+May 25 2005, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ May 25 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> With a group of honest players, a 'keyboard only' round or two could be quite entertaining though... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Now that sounds like a stupidly entertaining idea. I'd show up for it for laughs. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree that would be a lot of fun and a lot of laughs, especially lerking lol! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Gecko_God_Of_DooomGecko_God_Of_Dooom Join Date: 2004-02-10 Member: 26353Members
    I could see it happening with a keyboard and joystick, but not just keyboards, although I would be up for a keyboard only match
  • 2_of_Eight2_of_Eight Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20016Members
    Sounds like a great idea! Now, who can organize it? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ScyllaScylla Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18942Members
    A regular player on my server is playing with keyboard only the last days as his mouse is broken. He is quite good for using the keyboard and you would't notice it if you were playing with him.
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    Peh, I've used WASD and mouse ever since Doom I and II,
    and I still on Doom Connector..
  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can&#39;t work a sound card United States Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Members
    I know a CS player who plays with two mice, each mouse has about seven buttons and a mousewheel, optical and bluetooth wireless.

    But then again, he's at the top of UGL for 1.6
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