I've been Vista-fied
Iced_Eagle
Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
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Well a few days ago I finally got around to install Windows Vista Ultimate (I received a retail copy as a gift from Microsoft for testing it).
Man, it's so great! It's so fast performance-wise compared to previous versions and it's just awesome in a lot of ways. I can't wait for everyone to get their hands on it later this month!
I'm also part of an ongoing team of testers testing the "Extra's" within Ultimate... Some of you may have heard of "Dream Scene" which was announced yesterday, and they are also releasing Texas Hold'Em as a game.
<a href="http://windowsultimate.com/Blogs/Extras/Default.aspx" target="_blank">http://windowsultimate.com/Blogs/Extras/Default.aspx</a>
Let's just say that Ultimate is THE way to go if you really want the best Windows experience. I'm still under NDA and can only say that I am part of the team testing those, and can't show pictures or videos. Sorry!
Anyways, is anyone on here planning to upgrade? Obviously the answer I usually get is that people feel forced since DX10 is only coming to Vista... Also a lot of people may wait for SP1 for all of the bugs to get ironed out (even though right now I don't really have any ones that would cause anybody to look twice).
Man, it's so great! It's so fast performance-wise compared to previous versions and it's just awesome in a lot of ways. I can't wait for everyone to get their hands on it later this month!
I'm also part of an ongoing team of testers testing the "Extra's" within Ultimate... Some of you may have heard of "Dream Scene" which was announced yesterday, and they are also releasing Texas Hold'Em as a game.
<a href="http://windowsultimate.com/Blogs/Extras/Default.aspx" target="_blank">http://windowsultimate.com/Blogs/Extras/Default.aspx</a>
Let's just say that Ultimate is THE way to go if you really want the best Windows experience. I'm still under NDA and can only say that I am part of the team testing those, and can't show pictures or videos. Sorry!
Anyways, is anyone on here planning to upgrade? Obviously the answer I usually get is that people feel forced since DX10 is only coming to Vista... Also a lot of people may wait for SP1 for all of the bugs to get ironed out (even though right now I don't really have any ones that would cause anybody to look twice).
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I'm hesitant to switch because I don't have the money for it, and someone I know that's using it couldn't get any of his games running on it. But that'll change with time.
I don't want fade effects in my OS
I don't wand 3d crap in my OS
I don't want MSN
I don't want IE
I don't want things hopping arround
I don't want balloons
I don't want other crap MS can come up with
Simply I don't want to have to do a ish load of work to get it back to the w2k look. All I want from an OS is to run and not screw arround with fancy crap <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
It hangs often. Common applications dont' work on it. I'd suggest people wait until it's been out a good year or so to convert. It's like a Mac on a PC - oh, wait......
As you stated, the only incentive is DX 10 (smart *******s made it Vista only). Otherwise, I have no intention of upgrading yet. I will have to one day sadly.
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I smell a monopoly lawsuit there
Well a few days ago I finally got around to install Windows Vista Ultimate (I received a retail copy as a gift from Microsoft for testing it).
Man, it's so great! It's so fast performance-wise compared to previous versions and it's just awesome in a lot of ways. I can't wait for everyone to get their hands on it later this month!
I'm also part of an ongoing team of testers testing the "Extra's" within Ultimate... Some of you may have heard of "Dream Scene" which was announced yesterday, and they are also releasing Texas Hold'Em as a game.
<a href="http://windowsultimate.com/Blogs/Extras/Default.aspx" target="_blank">http://windowsultimate.com/Blogs/Extras/Default.aspx</a>
Let's just say that Ultimate is THE way to go if you really want the best Windows experience. I'm still under NDA and can only say that I am part of the team testing those, and can't show pictures or videos. Sorry!
Anyways, is anyone on here planning to upgrade? Obviously the answer I usually get is that people feel forced since DX10 is only coming to Vista... Also a lot of people may wait for SP1 for all of the bugs to get ironed out (even though right now I don't really have any ones that would cause anybody to look twice).
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do you write spam mail? because you have that kind of enthusiasm for software one can only find in spam imo...
I smell a monopoly lawsuit there
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Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
(Monopoly does not work that way)
I don't want fade effects in my OS
I don't wand 3d crap in my OS
I don't want MSN
I don't want IE
I don't want things hopping arround
I don't want balloons
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I don't think anyone has punctuated my thoughts as accurately as this ever before. OS's are for... doing stuff that I don't even understand! **** looking pretty and just make the 0's and 1's dance! Faster!
I don't think anyone has punctuated my thoughts as accurately as this ever before. OS's are for... doing stuff that I don't even understand! **** looking pretty and just make the 0's and 1's dance! Faster!
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I've created a monary system that's over 50% faster than the old, outdated binary system. What I've done is replaced the 1 with another 0, enabling the computer to process video games at the speed of light. Simply input a series of 0's and you'll be able to process word documents at previously unimagined speeds.
I want fade effects in my OS
I wand 3d crap in my OS
I want MSN
I want IE
I want things hopping arround
I want balloons
I want other crap MS can come up with
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Fixed for me.
I'd switch to Vista if I got a copy free. The only bad things I've heard are generally from people who like the old ways. I'm a UI ######, so for me its great.
I've created a monary system that's over 50% faster than the old, outdated binary system. What I've done is replaced the 1 with another 0, enabling the computer to process video games at the speed of light. Simply input a series of 0's and you'll be able to process word documents at previously unimagined speeds.
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And if you ask a computer what it's thinking the answer is invariably: "Oh... Nothing..."
Vista offers tons of small improvements, none of which I need. I rarely stare at my desktop. I only ever see it when I'm opening a few applications. As you stated, the only incentive is DX 10 (smart *******s made it Vista only). Otherwise, I have no intention of upgrading yet. I will have to one day sadly.
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Yeah, I read all the features and "improvements" in Windows Vista. I see only see three actually being useful: 1. Something about improved system restore 2. System Performance Assessment for lazy gamers who don't research or trial-error their performance 3. Allowing you to change versions(right?). The rest seems just unnecessary, <b>features that are <i>so</i> not worth the price</b>. Actually, the ones I listed aren't that useful, they're just "handy" for something. Though I doubt anyone would need it much, or at all.
So it's a lot of money for just pretty graphics? Is it just me, or does everything in the future now just focus on graphics and looks, rather than actual use and gameplay.
Yea I may come off as a fanboy (there are two companies which I'm total fanboys over and that is Microsoft and Valve)... It's just that I've been to the Microsoft campus and talked to a lot of the Vista guys and they are really passionate for what they're doing. I sort of get to take a look behind the curtain also since I'm a tester and get to see what's upcoming in the Vista world. It's hard for me to explain that excitement, especially if nobody has Vista.
I mean there's always one piece of software that just feels "right" when you use it and just sort of blows you away... For me right now, Vista is doing a damn fine job (or it could be shock factor and it's going to start wearing off).
About DX10 being a monopoly, I'm sure Microsot could easily prove that they had to keep it Vista exclusive due to technology reasons...
Would DX10 have a larger starter market if they ported it onto XP? Sure. That totally nullifies a lot of what it's trying to achieve. One thing is with DX10 to sort of start-over the hardware market with it, at least with graphics cards... Right now they pretty much just have the nVidia 8800 and the new ATI card to deal with... Compare that to the probably close to one hundred DX9 cards out there... If they start over fresh, they have a lot less to worry about and I'm sure it will drive down some cost of making the games since they have less hardware they need to test on.
No you're not just paying for pretty graphics (though that's a major part to sort of bring Windows to the current-generation)... There's a whole host of UI changes, security changes, and honestly there's improvments all around... Solitaire has been upgraded for gods sake.
It's sort of weird playing with Vista and thinking of XP. Yes they are really similar but Vista just sort of makes me feel more productive since I can finish things quicker. A good example would be using Word 2007 (which the new UI rocks and I actually know about some of its functionality finally).
Vista does require an open-mind when you look at it... It definitely isn't the same type of Windows we have been using for over a decade and that's a good thing. Some will hate it and some will love it and some may end up being stuck with it.
I think I can safely say it's not a Win ME.
Also, whoever mentioned about crashing programs and such that's not a problem I have... Tell me the program names and I'll give them a try to see if they crash for me. My rating is also a 4.3 and has all the graphical goodies and is running like silk.
That's not to say that I'm a fervent anti-microsoft crusader. I just really dislike most of their products, competitive strategies and corporate philosophies. FUD, monopolies and poor-quality products galore. Ask around and see how well microsoft is liked by the EU. How many hundreds of millions is it up to now?
Vista has no appeal to me but dx10 when it's finally fully utilised. Even then I sure as hell won't be <i>paying</i> to be forced to use that godawful OS.
"Hey kids, you like football?"
"Do I ever!"
"Do you like playing it in parks!"
"Well, whatever works I guess."
"Well we've upgraded football, but you can only play it on this park here! And it costs $200 to play!"
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That's not what I said.
Is DX capable of running on XP? Sure. Just as much as an iPod can technically speaking get music transferred from any piece of software besides iTunes, but that sort of loses part of it's product features and appeal of the product.
I never said it's easier for the DX guys to implement it on Vista only cause of the hardware and I was talking more about the game developers who were making DX10 only games.
If you release DX10 for XP, it's just sort of throwing on one more layer of complexity to developers trying to program graphics for it...
If you keep it Vista only, you are guaranteed all of the Games for Windows benefits, and you also have developers having to worry about a lot smaller testing configurations... You only have Vista and a few graphics cards... It's not like you have Win 98, ME, XP, 2000, and like probably hundreds of graphics cards you need to work on.
I was trying to say it's easy for the developers who will utilize DX and not exactly easier for Microsoft to create DX. Though I'm sure it is since they are only writing it for one platform instead of two.
o_O
Those bulging pockets of cash are making you type funny.
If you release DX10 for XP, it's just sort of throwing on one more layer of complexity to developers trying to program graphics for it...
If you keep it Vista only, you are guaranteed all of the Games for Windows benefits, and you also have developers having to worry about a lot smaller testing configurations... You only have Vista and a few graphics cards... It's not like you have Win 98, ME, XP, 2000, and like probably hundreds of graphics cards you need to work on.
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A bit like 64bit CPUs then?
Developers probably wont jump to DX10, until sales of vista hit a nice level, that and there is more hardware about. Why make a game that only 5% (completly random to make a point) of people can play?
doesnt vista ultimate cost like 500 dollars?
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Not if you get a Microsoft employee to buy it for you from the company store!
Not if you get a Microsoft employee to buy it for you from the company store!
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I wonder if someone is hinting at a MS employee and forum member to get us all cheap copies? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Not looking forward to having to turn off all the graphical bells and whistles though.
That's not to say that I'm a fervent anti-microsoft crusader. I just really dislike most of their products, competitive strategies and corporate philosophies. FUD, monopolies and poor-quality products galore. Ask around and see how well microsoft is liked by the EU. How many hundreds of millions is it up to now?
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This pretty much summarizes my views on Microsoft
*cough* And it should be able to run dos/win98 games <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
If it's 2869.55DKK then Iam out.
Rape my vallet why don't you.
However if you aren't upgrading and are building machines from scratch with no prior Windows, then Ultimate will cost $380 and Home Premium will cost $230.
I would actually suggest Home premium to most people since all you will be missing are the Ultimate Extra's (which are a lot of cool things, but aren't necessary), and also you will miss things from the business side of the products.
My hype is also starting to wear down now so I should be talking more sane now.
Developers are definitely not going to do Vista-only titles for a while (well except the Microsoft games studios and anyone they pay enough money to so that it can be justified). It's a non-existent market right now and nobody knows how well it will do and it's also sort of a foreign product still. Most people will still do DX9 for a long long time since you can get XP and Vista users. Once developers start the push towards DX10, which will take a few years I'm going to guess, then we will see the amount of Vista users rise as well.
I gotta say though, I think this is the coolest Windows version yet. It's really fast and stable, looks great, and so far all of my old programs run perfectly fine.
Also, do NOT upgrade if you don't have high-end hardware... If you are still holding onto your GeForce 4, don't bother. I honestly believe that you won't enjoy Vista if all of the graphical goodies are off, and the biggest selling point for Vista for gamers is DX10. If you want to keep your old, outdated hardware stay with XP or such until you can afford a nice new rig. Unfortunately, this is a transition where it won't just be software that needs upgrading but also hardware. Is that Microsoft's fault? Not exactly... People are expecting more and more graphics out of every product, especially games, and staying at the bottom of the barrel in terms of system specs won't be enough anymore IMHO.
SoulSkorpion: I don't have bulging pockets are you joking? I'm a poor college student. I was just lucky enough to get Vista for free from Microsoft as a gift.