CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
edited April 2007
Juice,
that parapgrapgh i put in " "came from the same article, the one that states many depts have not participated in more specific active shooter training due to funding issues etc
--------------------------- To, Who ever stated "is there a non forceable rape?",
-Yes there is, such as statutory rape, when the act was consentual but the people involved are under age. Also when the vicitim may be incapacitated (drunk) or mentaly decifient (mentally handicaped), the victim may not be able resist or know bettter to reisist or give consent.
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Faskalia, Many states in the US already have restrictions on guns similar to germany,
In the state im in for example, only off duty law enforcment can carry handguns, and selective people with a special permit, such as security or people who do bank runs for a store. These people have to go therough a special process through the state police in order to get their permit. All other people cannot carry a weapon on them but can keep them in their homes or workplace. If they travel to the range or something the gun and ammo must be locked separarately in the trunk of their vehicle. There are lengths how short rifles and shotguns can be and you cannot possess high capacity magazines that hold more than 20 rounds. So no 99 round drum mags here. Most criminals who I have seen usually have smaller cheap compact type of pistols that would not accept a high capacity magazine anyway.
The county I live in actually is very pro gun, there are many people who hunt or are gun owners in general and shooting compitions are common of all types. There have been a couple cases here where dangerous criminals have attempted to break into peoples houses threatening to harm the owner. In one case the criminal did not have any weapon at all. He was a huge man lol. He was beating on the door and was managing to break it down. He was screaming, threats I cant post in the forums due to content. The only people inside were two elderly women. Who were trying to call police, as the man kicked the door door in, one woman fired her pistol through the door hitting the suspect, not killing him.
The courts and juries here are very supportive of poeple defending themselves here as long as it was prudent and reasonable. . and she was cleared of any wrongdoing.
Part of our RIGHT as an American Citizen is to defend ourselves... as should be anyones right in my honest opinion. If someone threatens you with bodily harm, you should have every right to defend yourself WITHIN REASONABLE LIMITS.
If some 16 year old punk says "I'm gonna f*ck you up", and he is completely unarmed, you can't go killing him. Just sprain his shoulder and he'll run off.
AbraWould you kindlyJoin Date: 2003-08-17Member: 19870Members
<!--quoteo(post=1621500:date=Apr 17 2007, 06:39 PM:name=Kittamaru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kittamaru @ Apr 17 2007, 06:39 PM) [snapback]1621500[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Not true mate - those RFID tags only transmit about 2 inches. You would pretty easily notice someone using an RF Decoder at that range <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> That and they are encrypted. The ones he uses have a rotating frequency that is randomly generated in sync with the readers. It's really cool actually and pretty secure.
If you want true security, all you need is a retinal scanner with voice recognition. Inside the unit have a hotwire setup that, if opened shorts out the box, locking the door closed. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What the hell kind of fortress are you living in? Iam sorry but for every post you make, you make yourself sound less reasonable and more like you have a psychosis. Or that you (overused phrase, but goes well here) watched to many action/thriller/bond movies. I have a hard time even understanding the madness!
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
umm, no.
if some one is verbally abusing you you DO NOT have the right to lay a finger on him.
Basically the general rule of thumb is that you can use as much force as they are, or you reasonably expect them to.
If I come at you with a knife, killing me is A OK. however, disarming me, and then stabbing me with said knife I came at you with? not a smart idea, you have just changed what level of force can be expected from me, and thus you must lower your level of force as well.
If I start yelling obscenities at you from my car you do not have the right to do anything to me. If I get outta my car and approach you in a threatening manner you can feel free to sucker punch me (you have reason to believe I am going to attack you). However, same situation as before, and you use a baseball bat? your screwed.
The case that CplDavis quoted is an interesting one. The reason why an elderly lady confronted by an obviously violent younger man can use deadly force (a gun is ALWAYS considered deadly force, I don't care if you were 'shooting to wound', it is considered a deadly weapon) is that a younger assailant could easily batter 2 elderly women to death with his bear hands.
Be careful about what you do when you are 'defending' your self. If you overstep reasonable expectations about what your assailant could have done to you, you are now the aggressor. BTW, this covers why you can't shoot a robber in the back, you have no reason to fear for your life if the guy is running away from you.
You guys are so worried about why this happened and how to prevent you are blind to the fact that one of our community is among the deceased. I don't know how many of you knew him, but Ross Alameddine aka Gunman_Addraek is no longer with us. You'll be missed Gunman.
<!--quoteo(post=1621527:date=Apr 17 2007, 04:23 PM:name=ZueX)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ZueX @ Apr 17 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]1621527[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> You guys are so worried about why this happened and how to prevent you are blind to the fact that one of our community is among the deceased. I don't know how many of you knew him, but Ross Alameddine aka Gunman_Addraek is no longer with us. You'll be missed Gunman.
I'm not sure how you expected people to know who that account belongs to and I really don't mean to come off sounding harsh but this is a forum discussion not really a tribute to the dead.
Still, my condolences to his family. I didn't know him but that doesn't lessen the impact I'm sure his death has had.
Gunman was an active player for over 3 years to my knowledge.
He was an admin on our servers and one of the most stand up guys I knew and called a friend. He will be greatly missed. A few of our community were good friends with him and it has hit us pretty hard.
ChocolateThe Team MascotJoin Date: 2006-10-31Member: 58123Members
edited April 2007
Man, reminds me of the Dawson shootings that happened... oh... 5 months ago maybe? I live in Montreal so it did have an impact on me.
I fell bad for you Gunman_Addraek... If I could I would give you a chocolate bar! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I never had a friend die. Ross Alameddine, a.k.a. Gunman Addraek was tragically taken from our community yesterday at VA TECH. He was one of the finest NS player's I've competed against, and a gentleman to boot. If anyone here believes in a God, please say some prayer's for his family. This is a terrible loss to all who knew him.
<!--quoteo(post=1621521:date=Apr 17 2007, 07:00 PM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Apr 17 2007, 07:00 PM) [snapback]1621521[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> What the hell kind of fortress are you living in? Iam sorry but for every post you make, you make yourself sound less reasonable and more like you have a psychosis. Or that you (overused phrase, but goes well here) watched to many action/thriller/bond movies. I have a hard time even understanding the madness!
Each to his opinions, but DAMN... I mean... DAMN...! <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Abra... that would be ultimate security. However, I know damn well it will never happen to my house.
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--quoteo(post=1621517:date=Apr 17 2007, 11:03 AM:name=Kittamaru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kittamaru @ Apr 17 2007, 11:03 AM) [snapback]1621517[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Part of our RIGHT as an American Citizen is to defend ourselves... as should be anyones right in my honest opinion. If someone threatens you with bodily harm, you should have every right to defend yourself WITHIN REASONABLE LIMITS. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Italics would do justice when it comes to emphasis, caps it pretty annoying but that's just me.
And you dont' have any right to do anything if you're threatened other than report it to the police depending on how severe the threat is. And why would you need guns to defend yourself? Fisticuffs should be how it's done.
<!--quoteo(post=1621572:date=Apr 17 2007, 07:36 PM:name=Black_Mage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ Apr 17 2007, 07:36 PM) [snapback]1621572[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> i'm all for gun control if it actually controlled the guns. all it does in its current state is raise the prices. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
... One could say it's because it's not tight enough.
<!--quoteo(post=1621517:date=Apr 17 2007, 07:03 PM:name=Kittamaru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kittamaru @ Apr 17 2007, 07:03 PM) [snapback]1621517[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Part of our RIGHT as an American Citizen is to defend ourselves... as should be anyones right in my honest opinion. If someone threatens you with bodily harm, you should have every right to defend yourself WITHIN REASONABLE LIMITS.
If some 16 year old punk says "I'm gonna f*ck you up", and he is completely unarmed, you can't go killing him. Just sprain his shoulder and he'll run off. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe it's a human right to protect yourself and not come under any harm. Although other nations and people do this by restricting gun usage because it works. The other thing also being most other nations tend to use guns within the Armed Services or for hunting rather than to randomly shoot the crap out of each other whilst "defending" theirselves.
EDIT: You can defend yourself with your body and your mind. So using the old line "it's our right to defend ourselves" is why we need firearms, quite simply does not cut it. It's a want not a need.
ChocolateThe Team MascotJoin Date: 2006-10-31Member: 58123Members
Because it wont let me post a comment on the link above: <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> My prayers go out to him, his family and all of the people affected by this tragedy. I never knew him personally, but I've also seen him though my online community. Even through 1 post he already touched my life and influenced the way I act.
I can understand how bad these shootings can be, because I live in Montreal and a similar thing happened within my own neighbourhood.
RIP Ross, you were a great person and wont be forgotten.
Danielle Mustillo (aka Chocolate) <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I feel really bad for him now... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> , especially after reading the story... I give him a <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" /> and 2 chocolate bars now...
From what I see, there's something wrong internally with the shooter more than anything.
He had few friends, his picture sure doesn't look happy and what I see is a closed off guy in a pressure-filled world. Yes, many do deal with this stuff, but I've seen my Korean friends and they have parents that push them in subjects and such more than anything. The parents don't see value in social contact, in that how it helps people grow, communicate and solve problems. Of course he is in his twenties, but I'm guessing somewhere before then, he's had a life pushed into success and has little time to recollect. I think what we need more than anything is communication and tolerance. Choose the fat dude when you play basketball. Pick the boring dude when you have a project. Maybe it'll stop these things later on in life.
Theres nothing further you can do to prevent these things when you live in a country like the United States. If we start cracking down so much our freedom's begin to become endangered to increased security.
<!--quoteo(post=1621615:date=Apr 18 2007, 06:10 AM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Apr 18 2007, 06:10 AM) [snapback]1621615[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Theres nothing further you can do to prevent these things when you live in a country like the United States. If we start cracking down so much our freedom's begin to become endangered to increased security. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So it all comes down to ignorance <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
The fact that the right to bear arms was included in the constitution to protect against a thread from the <i>outside</i> which no longer exists should make you thinking.
@thansal
About the so called "similarity" between germanys and usas gun laws:
In the USA every citizen has the right to own a gun.
In Germany noone has the right to own a gun. The law simply manages how and when exceptions to this have to be made.
Because those two fundamentals are exact opposites I would refrain calling the german/us gun laws similar.
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ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
that FNPS90 is actually illegal in many states because it is an Assault weapon (50 round magazine == Assault weapon). It also would have been illegal in all of the USA until recently when the previous congress and Bush let the Assault Weapons ban go away.
with a change in congress we might see a new assault weapons ban (I hope so).
Also, a lot of that gear is aimed at police/military, aka people who are SUPPOSED to carry all that stuff. The
Hell, that Battle bag, if you actually quoted the rest of it?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Great for vehicle, <b>barracks</b>, or the occasional <b>R&R</b> cab ride.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> (emph mine)
Kinda obvious they are selling it to military personnel.
<!--quoteo(post=1621659:date=Apr 18 2007, 01:45 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Apr 18 2007, 01:45 PM) [snapback]1621659[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> that FNPS90 is actually illegal in many states because it is an Assault weapon (50 round magazine == Assault weapon). It also would have been illegal in all of the USA until recently when the previous congress and Bush let the Assault Weapons ban go away.
with a change in congress we might see a new assault weapons ban (I hope so).
Also, a lot of that gear is aimed at police/military, aka people who are SUPPOSED to carry all that stuff. The
Hell, that Battle bag, if you actually quoted the rest of it? (emph mine)
Kinda obvious they are selling it to military personnel. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was not aware of the fact, that US soldiers and policemen have to buy their own guns/gear. I always assumed that (like in most other armys) equimpment is issued and doesnt have to be bought individually.
So to those that think it is their 'right' to defend theirselves with firearms I ask you a few questions in which the mental factor of the gunman <i>cannot</i> be taken in to account in your response.
We don't know for sure exactly what happened, what was said or how it started because the killer and a victim of his own killing is dead. So how do we know that he himself was not defending himself because of a prior threat or assault? What if he himself believed someone or a group of people were going to kill him?
Now take his mental state in to consideration and after reading the news article from AOL it is clear there was something wrong with him mentally. It seems easy enough for someone mentally unstable in America to get hold of a firearm, the problem with Cho Seung-Hui to me comes across as long-term not short term. The scary fact remains someone mentally unstable can get hold of a firearm and then has the 'right to defend himself'. As everybody knows people mentally ill or unstable have a different perception on things and also take a situation out of context or have an episode or paranoia and make things like this up. The whole 'right to defend' element now aids someone mentally unstable to go on a massacre. Something like I don't know, mental health assessment on anyone applying to gain a firearm and license could be a good addition to the gun laws in America at the very minimum? Or does this take away your 'rights' because some people may be turned down because of their mental state, restricting their access to getting hold of a firearm?
<!--quoteo(post=1621745:date=Apr 18 2007, 11:27 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Apr 18 2007, 11:27 PM) [snapback]1621745[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Apparently, in between the two shootings, he put together a package of documents and sent it to NBC. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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that parapgrapgh i put in " "came from the same article,
the one that states many depts have not participated in more specific active shooter training due to funding issues etc
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To, Who ever stated "is there a non forceable rape?",
-Yes there is, such as statutory rape, when the act was consentual but the people involved are under age.
Also when the vicitim may be incapacitated (drunk) or mentaly decifient (mentally handicaped), the victim may not be able resist or know bettter to reisist or give consent.
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Faskalia, Many states in the US already have restrictions on guns similar to germany,
In the state im in for example, only off duty law enforcment can carry handguns, and selective people with a special permit, such as security or people who do bank runs for a store. These people have to go therough a special process through the state police in order to get their permit. All other people cannot carry a weapon on them but can keep them in their homes or workplace. If they travel to the range or something the gun and ammo must be locked separarately in the trunk of their vehicle. There are lengths how short rifles and shotguns can be and you cannot possess high capacity magazines that hold more than 20 rounds. So no 99 round drum mags here. Most criminals who I have seen usually have smaller cheap compact type of pistols that would not accept a high capacity magazine anyway.
The county I live in actually is very pro gun, there are many people who hunt or are gun owners in general and shooting compitions are common of all types. There have been a couple cases here where dangerous criminals have attempted to break into peoples houses threatening to harm the owner. In one case the criminal did not have any weapon at all. He was a huge man lol. He was beating on the door and was managing to break it down. He was screaming, threats I cant post in the forums due to content. The only people inside were two elderly women. Who were trying to call police, as the man kicked the door door in, one woman fired her pistol through the door hitting the suspect, not killing him.
The courts and juries here are very supportive of poeple defending themselves here as long as it was prudent and reasonable. . and she was cleared of any wrongdoing.
If some 16 year old punk says "I'm gonna f*ck you up", and he is completely unarmed, you can't go killing him. Just sprain his shoulder and he'll run off.
Not true mate - those RFID tags only transmit about 2 inches. You would pretty easily notice someone using an RF Decoder at that range <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> That and they are encrypted. The ones he uses have a rotating frequency that is randomly generated in sync with the readers. It's really cool actually and pretty secure.
If you want true security, all you need is a retinal scanner with voice recognition. Inside the unit have a hotwire setup that, if opened shorts out the box, locking the door closed.
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What the hell kind of fortress are you living in?
Iam sorry but for every post you make, you make yourself sound less reasonable and more like you have a psychosis. Or that you (overused phrase, but goes well here) watched to many action/thriller/bond movies.
I have a hard time even understanding the madness!
Each to his opinions, but DAMN...
I mean... DAMN...!
if some one is verbally abusing you you DO NOT have the right to lay a finger on him.
Basically the general rule of thumb is that you can use as much force as they are, or you reasonably expect them to.
If I come at you with a knife, killing me is A OK. however, disarming me, and then stabbing me with said knife I came at you with? not a smart idea, you have just changed what level of force can be expected from me, and thus you must lower your level of force as well.
If I start yelling obscenities at you from my car you do not have the right to do anything to me. If I get outta my car and approach you in a threatening manner you can feel free to sucker punch me (you have reason to believe I am going to attack you). However, same situation as before, and you use a baseball bat? your screwed.
The case that CplDavis quoted is an interesting one. The reason why an elderly lady confronted by an obviously violent younger man can use deadly force (a gun is ALWAYS considered deadly force, I don't care if you were 'shooting to wound', it is considered a deadly weapon) is that a younger assailant could easily batter 2 elderly women to death with his bear hands.
Be careful about what you do when you are 'defending' your self. If you overstep reasonable expectations about what your assailant could have done to you, you are now the aggressor. BTW, this covers why you can't shoot a robber in the back, you have no reason to fear for your life if the guy is running away from you.
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=4555350551555959808&showuser=32883" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....;showuser=32883</a>
You guys are so worried about why this happened and how to prevent you are blind to the fact that one of our community is among the deceased. I don't know how many of you knew him, but Ross Alameddine aka Gunman_Addraek is no longer with us. You'll be missed Gunman.
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I'm not sure how you expected people to know who that account belongs to and I really don't mean to come off sounding harsh but this is a forum discussion not really a tribute to the dead.
Still, my condolences to his family. I didn't know him but that doesn't lessen the impact I'm sure his death has had.
He was an admin on our servers and one of the most stand up guys I knew and called a friend. He will be greatly missed. A few of our community were good friends with him and it has hit us pretty hard.
<a href="http://news.bostonherald.com/blogs/cityDesk/" target="_blank">http://news.bostonherald.com/blogs/cityDesk/</a>
I don't want to believe it.
Regardless of what this thread aims to discuss, please keep his family in your thoughts. Ross really was a great guy, and is now a missed friend.
I fell bad for you Gunman_Addraek... If I could I would give you a chocolate bar! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Note: I didn't really read all the posts above...
<a href="http://news.bostonherald.com/blogs/cityDesk/" target="_blank">http://news.bostonherald.com/blogs/cityDesk/</a>
But even if you don't agree with me, you gotta admit automatic weapon is just overkilled.
What the hell kind of fortress are you living in?
Iam sorry but for every post you make, you make yourself sound less reasonable and more like you have a psychosis. Or that you (overused phrase, but goes well here) watched to many action/thriller/bond movies.
I have a hard time even understanding the madness!
Each to his opinions, but DAMN...
I mean... DAMN...!
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Abra... that would be ultimate security. However, I know damn well it will never happen to my house.
RIP Gunman...
Part of our RIGHT as an American Citizen is to defend ourselves... as should be anyones right in my honest opinion. If someone threatens you with bodily harm, you should have every right to defend yourself WITHIN REASONABLE LIMITS.
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Italics would do justice when it comes to emphasis, caps it pretty annoying but that's just me.
And you dont' have any right to do anything if you're threatened other than report it to the police depending on how severe the threat is. And why would you need guns to defend yourself? Fisticuffs should be how it's done.
i'm all for gun control if it actually controlled the guns. all it does in its current state is raise the prices.
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One could say it's because it's not tight enough.
Part of our RIGHT as an American Citizen is to defend ourselves... as should be anyones right in my honest opinion. If someone threatens you with bodily harm, you should have every right to defend yourself WITHIN REASONABLE LIMITS.
If some 16 year old punk says "I'm gonna f*ck you up", and he is completely unarmed, you can't go killing him. Just sprain his shoulder and he'll run off.
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I believe it's a human right to protect yourself and not come under any harm. Although other nations and people do this by restricting gun usage because it works. The other thing also being most other nations tend to use guns within the Armed Services or for hunting rather than to randomly shoot the crap out of each other whilst "defending" theirselves.
EDIT: You can defend yourself with your body and your mind. So using the old line "it's our right to defend ourselves" is why we need firearms, quite simply does not cut it. It's a want not a need.
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My prayers go out to him, his family and all of the people affected by this tragedy. I never knew him personally, but I've also seen him though my online community. Even through 1 post he already touched my life and influenced the way I act.
I can understand how bad these shootings can be, because I live in Montreal and a similar thing happened within my own neighbourhood.
RIP Ross, you were a great person and wont be forgotten.
Danielle Mustillo (aka Chocolate) <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I feel really bad for him now... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> , especially after reading the story... I give him a <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" /> and 2 chocolate bars now...
From what I see, there's something wrong internally with the shooter more than anything.
He had few friends, his picture sure doesn't look happy and what I see is a closed off guy in a pressure-filled world. Yes, many do deal with this stuff, but I've seen my Korean friends and they have parents that push them in subjects and such more than anything. The parents don't see value in social contact, in that how it helps people grow, communicate and solve problems. Of course he is in his twenties, but I'm guessing somewhere before then, he's had a life pushed into success and has little time to recollect. I think what we need more than anything is communication and tolerance. Choose the fat dude when you play basketball. Pick the boring dude when you have a project. Maybe it'll stop these things later on in life.
<a href="http://www.aserogaming.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=615&st=20&p=5262&#entry5262" target="_blank">http://www.aserogaming.net/forum/index.php...&#entry5262</a>
it's posted in that thread.
Gun control is not the issue. Violent games isn't either. A messed up kid, boy even, who handled his problems in an utterly senseless way.
Theres nothing further you can do to prevent these things when you live in a country like the United States. If we start cracking down so much our freedom's begin to become endangered to increased security.
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So it all comes down to ignorance <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
The fact that the right to bear arms was included in the constitution to protect against a thread from the <i>outside</i> which no longer exists should make you thinking.
@thansal
About the so called "similarity" between germanys and usas gun laws:
In the USA every citizen has the right to own a gun.
In Germany noone has the right to own a gun. The law simply manages how and when exceptions to this have to be made.
Because those two fundamentals are exact opposites I would refrain calling the german/us gun laws similar.
EDIT:
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And i can also buy a semi-automatik 50 ROUND pdw. oO Thats just plain overkill, even for self-defense.
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with a change in congress we might see a new assault weapons ban (I hope so).
Also, a lot of that gear is aimed at police/military, aka people who are SUPPOSED to carry all that stuff.
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Hell, that Battle bag, if you actually quoted the rest of it?
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Kinda obvious they are selling it to military personnel.
that FNPS90 is actually illegal in many states because it is an Assault weapon (50 round magazine == Assault weapon). It also would have been illegal in all of the USA until recently when the previous congress and Bush let the Assault Weapons ban go away.
with a change in congress we might see a new assault weapons ban (I hope so).
Also, a lot of that gear is aimed at police/military, aka people who are SUPPOSED to carry all that stuff.
The
Hell, that Battle bag, if you actually quoted the rest of it?
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Kinda obvious they are selling it to military personnel.
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I was not aware of the fact, that US soldiers and policemen have to buy their own guns/gear. I always assumed that (like in most other armys) equimpment is issued and doesnt have to be bought individually.
So to those that think it is their 'right' to defend theirselves with firearms I ask you a few questions in which the mental factor of the gunman <i>cannot</i> be taken in to account in your response.
We don't know for sure exactly what happened, what was said or how it started because the killer and a victim of his own killing is dead. So how do we know that he himself was not defending himself because of a prior threat or assault? What if he himself believed someone or a group of people were going to kill him?
Now take his mental state in to consideration and after reading the news article from AOL it is clear there was something wrong with him mentally. It seems easy enough for someone mentally unstable in America to get hold of a firearm, the problem with Cho Seung-Hui to me comes across as long-term not short term. The scary fact remains someone mentally unstable can get hold of a firearm and then has the 'right to defend himself'. As everybody knows people mentally ill or unstable have a different perception on things and also take a situation out of context or have an episode or paranoia and make things like this up. The whole 'right to defend' element now aids someone mentally unstable to go on a massacre. Something like I don't know, mental health assessment on anyone applying to gain a firearm and license could be a good addition to the gun laws in America at the very minimum? Or does this take away your 'rights' because some people may be turned down because of their mental state, restricting their access to getting hold of a firearm?
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You make several valid points. I agree on most of them.
The "right to defend yourself" line is strongly abused.
End of story. ###### intertube politicos.
Apparently, in between the two shootings, he put together a package of documents and sent it to NBC.
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Anyone seen the tape yet?
It's hilarious and scary at the same time.
"I am going to die like Jesus!"