<!--quoteo(post=1643819:date=Aug 14 2007, 07:59 PM:name=MedHead)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MedHead @ Aug 14 2007, 07:59 PM) [snapback]1643819[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'm on the absolute opposite end of the spectrum. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You wish no games were sold on Steam? It's not like anyone's forcing you to purchase online. As long as there's also a brick and mortar component you can pretend the Credit Card + Internet Connection option doesn't even exist! Until you lose your disc and wish you had gone with that, of course.
Awesome fairly long demo (there have been many shorter ones). The beginning was truly astonishing.
Some things I noted:
Hacking felt way to easy, you should rather find the right way rather then just creating one by replacing with an appropriate tube.
Some scripted enemies had problems detecting me, the one banging at a door didn't react when I shot 1cm above his head.
I thought this game was about doing the right choice to avoid standing without ammo, but searching thoroughly gave so many medkits and ammunition I didn't need to give it a second thought.
Did anyone else get bugged over the players willingness to put foreign fluids and needles into the body? He just hesitated a second before jamming the first plasmid in, the second he didn't even give a second thought despite the pain of the first one..
<!--quoteo(post=1643969:date=Aug 15 2007, 04:16 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Aug 15 2007, 04:16 PM) [snapback]1643969[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Did anyone else get bugged over the players willingness to put foreign fluids and needles into the body? He just hesitated a second before jamming the first plasmid in, the second he didn't even give a second thought despite the pain of the first one.. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> maybe he was a junkie before he got stuck in Rapture? ah, speculation...
<!--quoteo(post=1643969:date=Aug 15 2007, 01:16 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Aug 15 2007, 01:16 PM) [snapback]1643969[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Did anyone else get bugged over the players willingness to put foreign fluids and needles into the body? He just hesitated a second before jamming the first plasmid in, the second he didn't even give a second thought despite the pain of the first one.. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds like most nurses, doctors, junkies, aid workers, and teenagers I know. He must be a combination of those.
<!--quoteo(post=1643831:date=Aug 15 2007, 12:45 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 15 2007, 12:45 AM) [snapback]1643831[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> You wish no games were sold on Steam? It's not like anyone's forcing you to purchase online. As long as there's also a brick and mortar component you can pretend the Credit Card + Internet Connection option doesn't even exist! Until you lose your disc and wish you had gone with that, of course. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I want a disc. I don't want a Steam-crippled disc - I want a disc I can use at any time, no Internet connection required. I don't want to have to ask Valve permission to play the game after I already spent my money on it. I don't want to have to sign in online to be able to play a single-player game. There are many games I have enjoyed playing in the past - and would like to again - that were distributed and designed by companies no longer in business. Nothing says that Valve won't go bankrupt, and if they were to do so, I wouldn't want my game crippled because of it. Even if Valve were to somehow distribute a patch that would allow me to play sans-Steam, any game that required Steam would therefore need two sources of install information (the disc, and then the patch) to be able to play the singleplayer version.
The problem with saying that I don't have to think Steam exists because I can purchase in a store ignores that I still have to install Steam to be able to play the game. I don't like that.
<!--quoteo(post=1643990:date=Aug 15 2007, 03:34 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Aug 15 2007, 03:34 PM) [snapback]1643990[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> *turns around syringe, label reads AIDS* "Aww fu-.." <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's okay! It's the 60s! No AIDS for another decade or so.
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<!--quoteo(post=1643994:date=Aug 15 2007, 06:54 PM:name=MedHead)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MedHead @ Aug 15 2007, 06:54 PM) [snapback]1643994[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I want a disc. I don't want a Steam-crippled disc - I want a disc I can use at any time, no Internet connection required. I don't want to have to ask Valve permission to play the game after I already spent my money on it. I don't want to have to sign in online to be able to play a single-player game. There are many games I have enjoyed playing in the past - and would like to again - that were distributed and designed by companies no longer in business. Nothing says that Valve won't go bankrupt, and if they were to do so, I wouldn't want my game crippled because of it. Even if Valve were to somehow distribute a patch that would allow me to play sans-Steam, any game that required Steam would therefore need two sources of install information (the disc, and then the patch) to be able to play the singleplayer version.
The problem with saying that I don't have to think Steam exists because I can purchase in a store ignores that I still have to install Steam to be able to play the game. I don't like that. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hear you, but for me all of those caveats are dwarfed by a few things:<ul><li>Buying and installing a game is a painless process that doesn't waste any of my gas or the gas of some shipping company.</li><li>I don't have to scrounge annoying sites to download patches, and I don't have to check fan sites to discover that a patch has been released.</li><li>I don't have to keep track of physical objects.</li></ul>All in all Steam makes gaming less stressful and tedious and more immediately gratifying. I get enough stress from work (and unfortunately, also from my love life.) I'm completely satisfied with the compromise.
<!--quoteo(post=1643997:date=Aug 15 2007, 04:22 PM:name=Rellix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rellix @ Aug 15 2007, 04:22 PM) [snapback]1643997[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> PC demo is up for resrve on fileplanet now. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's been that way for a little while now. I don't know what "reserve" means but I don't really care; Fileplanet has nice speed but the lines take the fun out of it.
I'm betting they mean that subscribers can download most of the demo ahead of time and then patch up with a small file, immediately available, possibly automatically, when the demo becomes available.
I don't have a file planet account nor do I want one. I'll just wait a few more days and pick up the full version.
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<!--quoteo(post=1643969:date=Aug 15 2007, 01:16 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Aug 15 2007, 01:16 PM) [snapback]1643969[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Did anyone else get bugged over the players willingness to put foreign fluids and needles into the body? He just hesitated a second before jamming the first plasmid in, the second he didn't even give a second thought despite the pain of the first one.. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it has to do with something someone mentioned earlier: Note the chain tatoos on his wrists. Something happened between the crash and waking up in the ocean.
Man... I think I have to buy this game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
On the one hand, Bioshock! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
On the other hand... spending money... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
I think it's <a href="http://www.gamesradar.com/us/pc/game/reviews/article.jsp?sectionId=1000&articleId=2007081595653768046&releaseId=20060426172718471012" target="_blank">this review</a> that convinced me. A couple quotes:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A doctor in the Medical Wing with one blank eye beat me to death with a rake, shouting “It’s just... a standard... procedure!,” then made a verbal note of our time of death.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you’re worrying about the dreaded taint of consolification, by the way, don’t. It’s clear that the PC team at Irrational are every bit as platform-snobbish as us. There’s a PC-only options menu that lets you turn off the quest compass guiding you to your next objective, disable the golden sheen on mission-critical items, and as for auto-aiming, it isn’t even an option unless you plug in a 360 pad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess I'll trek to my local EB Games to check out the giant Big Daddy too.
<!--quoteo(post=1644038:date=Aug 15 2007, 11:14 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Aug 15 2007, 11:14 PM) [snapback]1644038[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Well it turns out that BioShock was sold by Toys R' Us/FYE(whatever FYE is) early:
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###### A, I'm gonna spend my money on this. ###### you, Ken Levine.
The fact that the best negative anyone I've seen has been able to conjure up is that you don't see yourself kill the Little Sisters is amazing.
Hell, even Eurogamer, which hates everything, gave it a <a href="http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=81479&page=1" target="_blank">good score</a>.
<!--quoteo(post=1644034:date=Aug 16 2007, 05:51 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 16 2007, 05:51 AM) [snapback]1644034[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Man... I think I have to buy this game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
On the one hand, Bioshock! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
On the other hand... spending money... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
I think it's <a href="http://www.gamesradar.com/us/pc/game/reviews/article.jsp?sectionId=1000&articleId=2007081595653768046&releaseId=20060426172718471012" target="_blank">this review</a> that convinced me. A couple quotes: I guess I'll trek to my local EB Games to check out the giant Big Daddy too. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That'll be the same one Stickman mentioned, the PC Gamer UK review: <!--quoteo(post=1643520:date=Aug 13 2007, 01:51 PM:name=X_Stickman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(X_Stickman @ Aug 13 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]1643520[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> PC Gamer UK (better than PCZone. Totally better. Yes.), who gave Bioshock 95%, assures me that the PC version has been PC-fied.
Things like auto-aiming (which is apparently not even an option unless there's a 360 pad plugged in to the PC), as well as a quick-switch menu exclusively PC etc... Apparently the hacking mini-game is designed slightly differently for the PC, too, to better take advantage of the mouse.
If they've done that, I'd say they've made sure the controls don't feel like they've been directly ported from a gamepad.
It also mentions that it runs flawlessly, at max gfx settings, on an Athlon X2 5200 and GeForce 8800, at 1600X900. I don't know if this means it'll run on mine, but I'll buy the game and update my comp around it, damn it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->1. PC Gamer > PC Zone (if you want proof see the PC Zone advertising inside the past two PC Gamer issues. Can anyone say desperation?). 2. I read the same review and, although I'm fairly skeptical about reviews, PC Gamer (UK) is someone I'd definitely trust, which is why I am only going to download the demo to check how well it runs (and save for upgrades if necessary), I'm not going to touch the storyline if I can help it. 3. The current issue of PC Gamer has a competition where you can win a giant Big Daddy. Hell Yeah!
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edited August 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1644127:date=Aug 16 2007, 01:16 PM:name=moultano)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(moultano @ Aug 16 2007, 01:16 PM) [snapback]1644127[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> AWESOME! Just cancelled my Amazon order. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Same <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Err, I WILL order it when I get home <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
60% preloaded! I think I have to pay sales tax since Valve is in Washinton Staet (5 minutes from my house) but I'd have to pay that anyways at a brick and mortar store. And maybe I actually don't, since the money might be going straight to 2k Games née Irrational Games.
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I'm on the absolute opposite end of the spectrum.
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You wish no games were sold on Steam? It's not like anyone's forcing you to purchase online. As long as there's also a brick and mortar component you can pretend the Credit Card + Internet Connection option doesn't even exist! Until you lose your disc and wish you had gone with that, of course.
<a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OygxkgewEhU" target="_blank">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OygxkgewEhU</a>
Some things I noted:
Hacking felt way to easy, you should rather find the right way rather then just creating one by replacing with an appropriate tube.
Some scripted enemies had problems detecting me, the one banging at a door didn't react when I shot 1cm above his head.
I thought this game was about doing the right choice to avoid standing without ammo, but searching thoroughly gave so many medkits and ammunition I didn't need to give it a second thought.
I've gotta stop basing my computer purchases on letter and number combinations that seem cool at the time.
Did anyone else get bugged over the players willingness to put foreign fluids and needles into the body? He just hesitated a second before jamming the first plasmid in, the second he didn't even give a second thought despite the pain of the first one..
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maybe he was a junkie before he got stuck in Rapture? ah, speculation...
Did anyone else get bugged over the players willingness to put foreign fluids and needles into the body? He just hesitated a second before jamming the first plasmid in, the second he didn't even give a second thought despite the pain of the first one..
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Sounds like most nurses, doctors, junkies, aid workers, and teenagers I know. He must be a combination of those.
"Aww fu-.."
You wish no games were sold on Steam? It's not like anyone's forcing you to purchase online. As long as there's also a brick and mortar component you can pretend the Credit Card + Internet Connection option doesn't even exist! Until you lose your disc and wish you had gone with that, of course.
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I want a disc. I don't want a Steam-crippled disc - I want a disc I can use at any time, no Internet connection required. I don't want to have to ask Valve permission to play the game after I already spent my money on it. I don't want to have to sign in online to be able to play a single-player game. There are many games I have enjoyed playing in the past - and would like to again - that were distributed and designed by companies no longer in business. Nothing says that Valve won't go bankrupt, and if they were to do so, I wouldn't want my game crippled because of it. Even if Valve were to somehow distribute a patch that would allow me to play sans-Steam, any game that required Steam would therefore need two sources of install information (the disc, and then the patch) to be able to play the singleplayer version.
The problem with saying that I don't have to think Steam exists because I can purchase in a store ignores that I still have to install Steam to be able to play the game. I don't like that.
*turns around syringe, label reads AIDS*
"Aww fu-.."
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It's okay! It's the 60s! No AIDS for another decade or so.
I want a disc. I don't want a Steam-crippled disc - I want a disc I can use at any time, no Internet connection required. I don't want to have to ask Valve permission to play the game after I already spent my money on it. I don't want to have to sign in online to be able to play a single-player game. There are many games I have enjoyed playing in the past - and would like to again - that were distributed and designed by companies no longer in business. Nothing says that Valve won't go bankrupt, and if they were to do so, I wouldn't want my game crippled because of it. Even if Valve were to somehow distribute a patch that would allow me to play sans-Steam, any game that required Steam would therefore need two sources of install information (the disc, and then the patch) to be able to play the singleplayer version.
The problem with saying that I don't have to think Steam exists because I can purchase in a store ignores that I still have to install Steam to be able to play the game. I don't like that.
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I hear you, but for me all of those caveats are dwarfed by a few things:<ul><li>Buying and installing a game is a painless process that doesn't waste any of my gas or the gas of some shipping company.</li><li>I don't have to scrounge annoying sites to download patches, and I don't have to check fan sites to discover that a patch has been released.</li><li>I don't have to keep track of physical objects.</li></ul>All in all Steam makes gaming less stressful and tedious and more immediately gratifying. I get enough stress from work (and unfortunately, also from my love life.) I'm completely satisfied with the compromise.
PC demo is up for resrve on fileplanet now.
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It's been that way for a little while now. I don't know what "reserve" means but I don't really care; Fileplanet has nice speed but the lines take the fun out of it.
I don't have a file planet account nor do I want one. I'll just wait a few more days and pick up the full version.
Did anyone else get bugged over the players willingness to put foreign fluids and needles into the body? He just hesitated a second before jamming the first plasmid in, the second he didn't even give a second thought despite the pain of the first one..
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I think it has to do with something someone mentioned earlier: Note the chain tatoos on his wrists. Something happened between the crash and waking up in the ocean.
On the one hand, Bioshock! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
On the other hand... spending money... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
I think it's <a href="http://www.gamesradar.com/us/pc/game/reviews/article.jsp?sectionId=1000&articleId=2007081595653768046&releaseId=20060426172718471012" target="_blank">this review</a> that convinced me. A couple quotes:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A doctor in the Medical Wing with one blank eye beat me to death with a rake, shouting “It’s just... a standard... procedure!,” then made a verbal note of our time of death.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you’re worrying about the dreaded taint of consolification, by the way, don’t. It’s clear that the PC team at Irrational are every bit as platform-snobbish as us. There’s a PC-only options menu that lets you turn off the quest compass guiding you to your next objective, disable the golden sheen on mission-critical items, and as for auto-aiming, it isn’t even an option unless you plug in a 360 pad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess I'll trek to my local EB Games to check out the giant Big Daddy too.
<a href="http://www.drkside.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=689" target="_blank">http://www.drkside.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=689</a>
Well it turns out that BioShock was sold by Toys R' Us/FYE(whatever FYE is) early:
<a href="http://www.drkside.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=689" target="_blank">http://www.drkside.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=689</a>
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That's pretty funny. I was just about to fly into Nerd Rage at not being able to play while others could, but there you go.
The fact that the best negative anyone I've seen has been able to conjure up is that you don't see yourself kill the Little Sisters is amazing.
Hell, even Eurogamer, which hates everything, gave it a <a href="http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=81479&page=1" target="_blank">good score</a>.
Man... I think I have to buy this game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
On the one hand, Bioshock! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
On the other hand... spending money... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
I think it's <a href="http://www.gamesradar.com/us/pc/game/reviews/article.jsp?sectionId=1000&articleId=2007081595653768046&releaseId=20060426172718471012" target="_blank">this review</a> that convinced me. A couple quotes:
I guess I'll trek to my local EB Games to check out the giant Big Daddy too.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That'll be the same one Stickman mentioned, the PC Gamer UK review:
<!--quoteo(post=1643520:date=Aug 13 2007, 01:51 PM:name=X_Stickman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(X_Stickman @ Aug 13 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]1643520[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
PC Gamer UK (better than PCZone. Totally better. Yes.), who gave Bioshock 95%, assures me that the PC version has been PC-fied.
Things like auto-aiming (which is apparently not even an option unless there's a 360 pad plugged in to the PC), as well as a quick-switch menu exclusively PC etc... Apparently the hacking mini-game is designed slightly differently for the PC, too, to better take advantage of the mouse.
If they've done that, I'd say they've made sure the controls don't feel like they've been directly ported from a gamepad.
It also mentions that it runs flawlessly, at max gfx settings, on an Athlon X2 5200 and GeForce 8800, at 1600X900. I don't know if this means it'll run on mine, but I'll buy the game and update my comp around it, damn it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->1. PC Gamer > PC Zone (if you want proof see the PC Zone advertising inside the past two PC Gamer issues. Can anyone say desperation?).
2. I read the same review and, although I'm fairly skeptical about reviews, PC Gamer (UK) is someone I'd definitely trust, which is why I am only going to download the demo to check how well it runs (and save for upgrades if necessary), I'm not going to touch the storyline if I can help it.
3. The current issue of PC Gamer has a competition where you can win a giant Big Daddy. Hell Yeah!
3. The current issue of PC Gamer has a competition where you can win a giant Big Daddy. Hell Yeah!
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I've always wanted to be drilled through the chest.
Steam.
<a href="http://www.steamgames.com/v/index.php" target="_blank">IT'S ON STEAM IT'S ON STEAM IT'S ON STEAM</a>
Steam.
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:o. That actually surprises me a bit for some reason.
<a href="http://www.steamgames.com/v/index.php" target="_blank">IT'S ON STEAM IT'S ON STEAM IT'S ON STEAM</a>
Steam.
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AWESOME! Just cancelled my Amazon order.
AWESOME! Just cancelled my Amazon order.
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Same <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Err, I WILL order it when I get home <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />