I vote for <b>im_lost</b> based on his "people in a room" post. I don't want to do math at work.
I am in room 9 and have found nothing.
Gwa is dead. Do we have anything (besides his experience) as to why he was a wolf target? He chatted some in IRC, but I wasn't logging it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The most I got from him was that he was somewhat passively trying to network. Unlike Soul and mine's active attempt at it.
As for a guess at a reasoning. I would wager that prereset for the game, he might have been a wolf, and another wolf ( we did have 4 of them ) got wolf again, and decided that it would be too risky to leave him be?
If this is the case, I expect that the person or persons ( items ) who dies tonight, might be related.
However this could just be a random.org night 1 kill too. We have had AFK wolfs before...
locallyunsceneFeeder of TrollsJoin Date: 2002-12-25Member: 11528Members, Constellation
I don't think he was a reset wolf since that would be a disadvantage for the wolves. Can we get a clarification on the starting number of wolves from the host?
locallyunsceneFeeder of TrollsJoin Date: 2002-12-25Member: 11528Members, Constellation
Wait, I take it back. But did the pre-restart wolves know who each other were? Even if they did it wouldn't matter because I don't think whether you were a wolf then can really tell you anything about this game.
<!--quoteo(post=1669724:date=Feb 6 2008, 03:43 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 6 2008, 03:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669724"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think he was a reset wolf since that would be a disadvantage for the wolves. Can we get a clarification on the starting number of wolves from the host?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The starting number of wolfs is 2, as nightstalker posted at the start of the thread.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
tttttripple post! Honestly, I think we are looking into it all to damn hard, I expect he was killed on a whim. I looked back at chat logs, nothing interesting. BTW, could we get an official one on: Could Gwahir have gotten an item, then been killed, and then dropped it?
<!--quoteo(post=1669728:date=Feb 6 2008, 03:54 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Feb 6 2008, 03:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669728"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->tttttripple post! Honestly, I think we are looking into it all to damn hard, I expect he was killed on a whim. I looked back at chat logs, nothing interesting. BTW, could we get an official one on: Could Gwahir have gotten an item, then been killed, and then dropped it?
or did he just not get an item?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From what I recall hearing you drop items when you die, whitch means that he might have gotten an item, then dropped it becuase it was not the body armor.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
or maybe he would have found it, but got wolved before the item was found at the start of the new day <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Sorry, well caught out by the early day start there....
I'll return on <b>Thansal</b> for now. Nothing to go on, will be updating the spreadsheet on rooms etc in a minute...
locallyunsceneFeeder of TrollsJoin Date: 2002-12-25Member: 11528Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1669738:date=Feb 6 2008, 04:45 PM:name=Soul_Rider)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soul_Rider @ Feb 6 2008, 04:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669738"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->or maybe he would have found it, but got wolved before the item was found at the start of the new day <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Sorry, well caught out by the early day start there....
I'll return on <b>Thansal</b> for now. Nothing to go on, will be updating the spreadsheet on rooms etc in a minute...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I am in that room and found nothing. So he would have to have searched first and picked it up for me not to find it.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=1669739:date=Feb 6 2008, 09:55 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 6 2008, 09:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669739"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am in that room and found nothing. So he would have to have searched first and picked it up for me not to find it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is true and so if my way of thinking is correct, there is no item in the room, but if he could have picked it up, there may be, so this does need clarifying.
<!--quoteo(post=1669744:date=Feb 6 2008, 05:41 PM:name=Soul_Rider)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soul_Rider @ Feb 6 2008, 05:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669744"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is true and so if my way of thinking is correct, there is no item in the room, but if he could have picked it up, there may be, so this does need clarifying.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By my logic of how items are gained, there could be an item still in there.
Ghawar can get the item before he dies. Ghawar got the item, and it did not help him survive the wolf attack so he died, and dropped the item in the room. Im_lost did not get an item in this case because it was already claimed.
This means that night goes as this. People get items->People get killed by wolfs/items->dead people drop there items. Witch makes sense.
Just a minor note, my questions haven't been answered by the host either.
So looking at the thread, here are the unanswered questions.
1. Apparently there's confusion on items. Is it one item per room, or more items per room? --> Judging by the results, it's safe to say there's more than one item per room. 2. Are these items unique, or there are more around (like... there's 5 defusal kits around) --> Unanswered, but probably only unique. 3. What in the world is the bomb? Apparently im_lost hints it's carryable. --> Answered by im_lost. And it was locallyunscene that hints it's carryable. 4. Can ammunition be used all at the same time (assuming more than one). For instance, I have 1 mp5, 2 ammunition. I erase 3 votes off me. --> Rate has not be answered. 5. Can people in the same room switch/swap items with each other. --> Most likely not.
6. Does Gwahir get the item first, before death, or death, and then knows the item? Did he get a PM about the item? (though this question is more general: do we get items first before death?)
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=1669725:date=Feb 6 2008, 08:50 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 6 2008, 08:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669725"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wait, I take it back. But did the pre-restart wolves know who each other were? Even if they did it wouldn't matter because I don't think whether you were a wolf then can really tell you anything about this game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The pre-restart wolves "should" have known who each other were, but the PM didn't include the names of the other wolves. That was one of the teething problems. It has no effect on this game at all, that I was a wolf before the restart.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=1669746:date=Feb 6 2008, 10:52 PM:name=Eternaly_Lost)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eternaly_Lost @ Feb 6 2008, 10:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669746"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->By my logic of how items are gained, there could be an item still in there.
Ghawar can get the item before he dies. Ghawar got the item, and it did not help him survive the wolf attack so he died, and dropped the item in the room. Im_lost did not get an item in this case because it was already claimed.
This means that night goes as this. People get items->People get killed by wolfs/items->dead people drop there items. Witch makes sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you do not get the item, until you get the PM, and we didn't get the PM's until daybreak, which means he was dead, before the items were found.
That is how it has worked in other games and seems to be how it is working in this one too, but it does need clarifying.
So we have an entire set of random.org and "this person has no votes" votes. The only thing that stands out so far is Theslan's second vote on EMP Demon.
<!--quoteo(post=1669747:date=Feb 6 2008, 10:53 PM:name=Theslan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Theslan @ Feb 6 2008, 10:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669747"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just a minor note, my questions haven't been answered by the host either.
So looking at the thread, here are the unanswered questions.
1. Apparently there's confusion on items. Is it one item per room, or more items per room? --> Judging by the results, it's safe to say there's more than one item per room. 2. Are these items unique, or there are more around (like... there's 5 defusal kits around) --> Unanswered, but probably only unique. 3. What in the world is the bomb? Apparently im_lost hints it's carryable. --> Answered by im_lost. And it was locallyunscene that hints it's carryable. 4. Can ammunition be used all at the same time (assuming more than one). For instance, I have 1 mp5, 2 ammunition. I erase 3 votes off me. --> Rate has not be answered. 5. Can people in the same room switch/swap items with each other. --> Most likely not.
6. Does Gwahir get the item first, before death, or death, and then knows the item? Did he get a PM about the item? (though this question is more general: do we get items first before death?)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
sorry ive been rather busy, anyways, in answer to these questions..
1.It is possible for there to be more than one item per room. 2. Items are unique, theres only one of each 3. The bomb is considered an item, it is carryable, but not for long, as in the bomb description in the pregame/signups thread. you can carry it until it goes off, however, only I know when it will go ff so it may be in your best interest to get rid of it. However, you may have time to plant it or move it if you wish. 4. ammunition can only be used once since theres only one of it. and yes if you have the mp5 and ammunition you could effectively erase 2 votes. 5. After some consideration, if a person is in the same room and they want to swap items, thats fine, I need to know if you do that though, send me a pm. If I dont get a pm, then I will consider the weapon/item swap as never having happened, and will go from there. 6. Based on the order I send pm's then yes he could have picked up an item, but since he died, if he did have an item it would have been dropped where he died.
See, none of us really knew how the bomb was working, we all thought it would go off the night after it was planted. (or at least I did).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This might be why:
<!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=Signup Thread)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Signup Thread)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Located somewhere in one of the rooms there is a bomb that is set to go off. No one except me knows when it will go off, and anyone in that room or one adjacent room will die when it goes off (The adjacent room is decided when the person who plants it tells me what corner they planted it in). <b>When someone finds it, they disarm it, and it becomes theirs.</b> They can then plant the bomb in any room and a 1.5 day (1 day and 1 night, so when its planted during the day, it goes off the next night) timer starts. When two days pass the bomb goes off, unless it is found by someone else, and then the whole thing happens again. Once the bomb goes off, the mini game is done.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1669844:date=Feb 7 2008, 11:21 AM:name=EMP_Demon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EMP_Demon @ Feb 7 2008, 11:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669844"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This might be why: Seems it's changed since then, though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The only thing that changed is that the timer does not stop when you pick it up, witch means that you should drop it and run away as fast as possable, unless you have the kit. The wolfs might try to move it to a group of humans, but they risk killing them selfs, and with everyone spread out, there would be at most 2 people to die to it.
I suggest that we stay spread out so that the bomb can not kill more then 2 in the worse case, and more likely 1 or 0 people.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
As far as I can tell at the moment this game is going nowhere, so I thought i'd just have a mad ramble to myself in a forum post, in case it brings up anything interesting, either spotted by me, or some of you eagle-eyed guys out there.
Experienced Players:
Oddly enough, even though pre-restart the wolf numbers were changed due to a high number of inexperienced wolves, the overall experience level in this game is high:
Looking at the most obvious starting point (Gwahir the first victim) we find:
Played: 5 Won: 1 MVP: 0 Role: 0 Wolf: 3 Host: 0
An experienced player and wolf. Not likely to have given anything away as aware how wolves work. Probably just an experienced kill.
Players left in game number order:
EMP Demon
Played: 7 Won: 1 MVP: 0 Role: 2 Wolf: 2 Host: 3
A very experienced player, but never seems to survive, I know that feeling.... Also a very experienced host.
Eternally_Lost
Played: 6 Won: 1 MVP: 2 Role: 1 Wolf: 3 Host: 1
Another experienced player, but has died very quickly in quite a few games, so role experience is neglible. 2 MVP's to his name show how good he can be.
Thansal
Played: 6 Won: 3 MVP: 1 Role: 1 Wolf: 3 Host: 0
Another experienced player and I think possibly the record wolf winner? Anyway, good player..
locallyunscene
I believe it's his first game? Unless he has played before under another name?
Caboose
Also a first timer I believe?
Xentor
Played: 11 Won: 4 MVP: 0 Role: 1 Wolf: 2 Host: 0 (Note in 3 games he lost without dying as he was outnumbered, but he would have died, so does not count as win)
Well, you gotta admire the guys staying power, in most games he played, except for the 2 wolf games and a couple of others, he was alive at the end of the game, even though dead as outnumbered in 3 games. That's an amazing performance really in these games. Also, we made our debut together in TWG V: Aquarium..
Soul Rider
Played: 4 Won: 1 MVP: 1 Role: 2 Wolf: 0 Host: 0
I've played 4 games, and had 2 roles.... but, the last 2 games I died night 1, and one of those was as a role. 1st game ever, TWG V: I was also a role and told a wolf on day one I was the psychic!!! but my second game got me my MVP (though to be fair, if they knew how much I had been guessing and leading people on they would have known it was more luck than anything else, particuarly after the bad luck on the wolves part after they misinterpreted the clue, I would have died and would have been another wolf win for Eternally_Lost and Thansal!
Theslan
Played: 6 Won: 1 MVP: 1 Role: 1 Wolf: 1 Host: 2
Another experienced player and host, and someone else who isn't too fond of living, only surving the one game as well..
im_lost
Played: 14 Won: 3 MVP: 2 Role: 4 Wolf: 3 Host: 1
Another experienced player who loves to die reasonably early in the game. He also played a wizard in one game, which i have included under a role, as that was the only other special role in that game.
The_FeniX
Played: 3 Won: MVP: Role: 1 Wolf: Host:
Alive but outnumbered in one game. One of the newer experienced players.
Ok so what is the point of all this....
Well first of all this is to try and find reasons into Gwahirs death.
He is certainly an experienced player, but only what you would consider average experience, when you look at everyone else playing. Aside: It's really good to see the mix of playing levels across the game, particuarly with 2 new, hopefully, regulars, it looks like we might survive for a bit longer, but it also means that there is no longer a guaranteed wolf hit, "because He's Experienced" There are too many experienced players to do that now, so it tends to mean there will be a slightly less randomisation to the killings, although night one killing is always pretty much a random thing, no-one really frees up too much information on the first night.
the downside is that with so many experienced players, it makes getting pulled into networks that much more difficult.. because there are more good players to choose from.
I haven't really spoken to anyone about the game, I've been collecting the information for the chart, but not a lot else has come my way. I'm in that between networks game which can be very quiet and boring, and being in a different timezone to all of you doesn't help that much.
I'm wanting to make suspicions about people, but I have had no more than about 5 mins conversation with anyone, so it really is nothing to go on. So far I have 7 possible wolves, and they are all the people I have spoken to!!
I don't think there is any player really close to Gwahir? You know real life friends or close online buddies who may find it hard to conceal they are a wolf from him so bumped him off? I don't think there are, so that means to me it was either random or he slipped up. More likely, as it was only night one and he is an experienced player, i'd go for the random kill.
Which leaves us precisely no further on than we were..
Well, even if it causes a bit of conversation it will be good for something.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
If anyone wants to expand their bits with their views on themselves through their experience, as I have, that would be cool, we could all get to see how the other players feel about how they've played throughout their TWG history..
I believe im_lost once told me he felt people believed him to be a better player than he actually felt he was. So was getting a bit fed uop with being wolfed all the time, although I may be wrong..
But it would be nice to see how otjher people feel about it anyway..
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
Well, I will say that it is nice to now have a number of experienced players as it means that im lost and company are less likely to just get wolfed off the bat. At this point all of the people you pointed out really are experienced, we have had a number of wolf wins, and some really impressive playing all around.
admitedly, with im lost NOT being wolfed, he obviously is a wolf, except that the wolves just want us to THINK that and then lynch him quickly! (expect that is just what they WANT us to think!)
I admit I am kinda curious about what people think about ELost and my self (and NSer, though he is not in this game). We have all been involved in some good wolf games, including 2 of them that involved fake networking.
As for this game itself, I expect the wolves to just keep a low profile (works best in a small wolf game). If one of them finds the bomb, they will probably just clear out of the area.
So, for the map, the bomb and some needed info. So, each room has 4 areas, NW, NE, SE, SW. The bomb can be in any corner. We can be in any corner. I seem to understand that the bomb will detonate in a square pattern, taking out anyone that is one set away from it EX: So, let us say the bomb is planted in room 1, SE corner. When it goes, will EVERYONE in room 1, those people on the West side of room 2, those one the North side of room 4, and any one in the NW corner of room 5, will all die. Right? Or would the diagonal to room 5 not count? Or is it EVERYONE in rooms 1, 2, 4, and 5?
What about the hallways? I assume they do not count as rooms, simply connections between Rooms 3&8 and rooms 5&10. So a bomb in the west side of 10 will get people in 5. and the South side of 8 will get people in 3.
It seems like the safest places to be in the game are the corners where you don't connect to any rooms (1NW, 4SW, 3SE, 7NW/E, 9SE, 6NW), as those spots would require the bomb to be in the same room AS you to get you.
And then the defusal kit. If the person with the kit is in the blast radius, the bomb just does nothing? or the person with the defusal kit lives, everyone else dies?
Comments
Current votes.
EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
Caboose (1) - im_lost
Theslan (1) - EMP Demon
Soul_Rider (1) - Thansal
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
People who didn't vote yet:
5. Caboose
7. Soul_Rider
10. TheFeniX
Have no votes:
TheFeniX
im_lost
Thansal
Xentor
Yea, apparently we all have cloaks of invistablitly, that work until it time to die by a lynch. ( wolfs have good sense of smell. )
oh, and someone needs to hound on Nightstalker. He seems to like long days and nights, so that this game moves at a faster rate then 1 day per week.
So, since I must, im_lost gets my vote for voting for me and having no votes.
Also, I did find something, though I think I'll wait to say what for now.
<b>EMP_Demon</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->"Preview Post" nub.
I vote for <b>im_lost</b> based on his "people in a room" post. I don't want to do math at work.
I am in room 9 and have found nothing.
Gwa is dead. Do we have anything (besides his experience) as to why he was a wolf target? He chatted some in IRC, but I wasn't logging it.
I vote for <b>im_lost</b> based on his "people in a room" post. I don't want to do math at work.
I am in room 9 and have found nothing.
Gwa is dead. Do we have anything (besides his experience) as to why he was a wolf target? He chatted some in IRC, but I wasn't logging it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The most I got from him was that he was somewhat passively trying to network. Unlike Soul and mine's active attempt at it.
As for a guess at a reasoning. I would wager that prereset for the game, he might have been a wolf, and another wolf ( we did have 4 of them ) got wolf again, and decided that it would be too risky to leave him be?
If this is the case, I expect that the person or persons ( items ) who dies tonight, might be related.
However this could just be a random.org night 1 kill too. We have had AFK wolfs before...
The starting number of wolfs is 2, as nightstalker posted at the start of the thread.
Honestly, I think we are looking into it all to damn hard, I expect he was killed on a whim. I looked back at chat logs, nothing interesting. BTW, could we get an official one on:
Could Gwahir have gotten an item, then been killed, and then dropped it?
or did he just not get an item?
Honestly, I think we are looking into it all to damn hard, I expect he was killed on a whim. I looked back at chat logs, nothing interesting. BTW, could we get an official one on:
Could Gwahir have gotten an item, then been killed, and then dropped it?
or did he just not get an item?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From what I recall hearing you drop items when you die, whitch means that he might have gotten an item, then dropped it becuase it was not the body armor.
Sorry, well caught out by the early day start there....
I'll return on <b>Thansal</b> for now. Nothing to go on, will be updating the spreadsheet on rooms etc in a minute...
Sorry, well caught out by the early day start there....
I'll return on <b>Thansal</b> for now. Nothing to go on, will be updating the spreadsheet on rooms etc in a minute...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am in that room and found nothing. So he would have to have searched first and picked it up for me not to find it.
EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
Caboose (1) - im_lost
Theslan (1) - EMP Demon
Soul_Rider (1) - Thansal
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
People who didn't vote yet:
5. Caboose
Have no votes:
TheFeniX
Xentor
Caboose attempted to vote, but forgot to bold.
That is true and so if my way of thinking is correct, there is no item in the room, but if he could have picked it up, there may be, so this does need clarifying.
By my logic of how items are gained, there could be an item still in there.
Ghawar can get the item before he dies.
Ghawar got the item, and it did not help him survive the wolf attack so he died, and dropped the item in the room.
Im_lost did not get an item in this case because it was already claimed.
This means that night goes as this. People get items->People get killed by wolfs/items->dead people drop there items.
Witch makes sense.
So looking at the thread, here are the unanswered questions.
1. Apparently there's confusion on items. Is it one item per room, or more items per room?
--> Judging by the results, it's safe to say there's more than one item per room.
2. Are these items unique, or there are more around (like... there's 5 defusal kits around)
--> Unanswered, but probably only unique.
3. What in the world is the bomb? Apparently im_lost hints it's carryable.
--> Answered by im_lost. And it was locallyunscene that hints it's carryable.
4. Can ammunition be used all at the same time (assuming more than one). For instance, I have 1 mp5, 2 ammunition. I erase 3 votes off me.
--> Rate has not be answered.
5. Can people in the same room switch/swap items with each other.
--> Most likely not.
6. Does Gwahir get the item first, before death, or death, and then knows the item? Did he get a PM about the item? (though this question is more general: do we get items first before death?)
The pre-restart wolves "should" have known who each other were, but the PM didn't include the names of the other wolves. That was one of the teething problems. It has no effect on this game at all, that I was a wolf before the restart.
Ghawar can get the item before he dies.
Ghawar got the item, and it did not help him survive the wolf attack so he died, and dropped the item in the room.
Im_lost did not get an item in this case because it was already claimed.
This means that night goes as this. People get items->People get killed by wolfs/items->dead people drop there items.
Witch makes sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you do not get the item, until you get the PM, and we didn't get the PM's until daybreak, which means he was dead, before the items were found.
That is how it has worked in other games and seems to be how it is working in this one too, but it does need clarifying.
EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
Caboose (1) - im_lost
Theslan (1) - EMP Demon
Soul_Rider (1) - Thansal
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
Xentor (1) - Caboose
Have no votes:
TheFeniX
So we have an entire set of random.org and "this person has no votes" votes. The only thing that stands out so far is Theslan's second vote on EMP Demon.
So looking at the thread, here are the unanswered questions.
1. Apparently there's confusion on items. Is it one item per room, or more items per room?
--> Judging by the results, it's safe to say there's more than one item per room.
2. Are these items unique, or there are more around (like... there's 5 defusal kits around)
--> Unanswered, but probably only unique.
3. What in the world is the bomb? Apparently im_lost hints it's carryable.
--> Answered by im_lost. And it was locallyunscene that hints it's carryable.
4. Can ammunition be used all at the same time (assuming more than one). For instance, I have 1 mp5, 2 ammunition. I erase 3 votes off me.
--> Rate has not be answered.
5. Can people in the same room switch/swap items with each other.
--> Most likely not.
6. Does Gwahir get the item first, before death, or death, and then knows the item? Did he get a PM about the item? (though this question is more general: do we get items first before death?)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
sorry ive been rather busy, anyways, in answer to these questions..
1.It is possible for there to be more than one item per room.
2. Items are unique, theres only one of each
3. The bomb is considered an item, it is carryable, but not for long, as in the bomb description in the pregame/signups thread. you can carry it until it goes off, however, only I know when it will go ff so it may be in your best interest to get rid of it. However, you may have time to plant it or move it if you wish.
4. ammunition can only be used once since theres only one of it. and yes if you have the mp5 and ammunition you could effectively erase 2 votes.
5. After some consideration, if a person is in the same room and they want to swap items, thats fine, I need to know if you do that though, send me a pm. If I dont get a pm, then I will consider the weapon/item swap as never having happened, and will go from there.
6. Based on the order I send pm's then yes he could have picked up an item, but since he died, if he did have an item it would have been dropped where he died.
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See, none of us really knew how the bomb was working, we all thought it would go off the night after it was planted. (or at least I did).
so, if some one has the defusal kit, it stops ALL effects of the bomb, right? (as in, no one dies).
Any one got that Kit? and what room are you in?
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See, none of us really knew how the bomb was working, we all thought it would go off the night after it was planted. (or at least I did).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This might be why:
<!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=Signup Thread)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Signup Thread)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Located somewhere in one of the rooms there is a bomb that is set to go off. No one except me knows when it will go off, and anyone in that room or one adjacent room will die when it goes off (The adjacent room is decided when the person who plants it tells me what corner they planted it in). <b>When someone finds it, they disarm it, and it becomes theirs.</b> They can then plant the bomb in any room and a 1.5 day (1 day and 1 night, so when its planted during the day, it goes off the next night) timer starts. When two days pass the bomb goes off, unless it is found by someone else, and then the whole thing happens again. Once the bomb goes off, the mini game is done.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seems it's changed since then, though.
Seems it's changed since then, though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The only thing that changed is that the timer does not stop when you pick it up, witch means that you should drop it and run away as fast as possable, unless you have the kit. The wolfs might try to move it to a group of humans, but they risk killing them selfs, and with everyone spread out, there would be at most 2 people to die to it.
I suggest that we stay spread out so that the bomb can not kill more then 2 in the worse case, and more likely 1 or 0 people.
Experienced Players:
Oddly enough, even though pre-restart the wolf numbers were changed due to a high number of inexperienced wolves, the overall experience level in this game is high:
Looking at the most obvious starting point (Gwahir the first victim) we find:
Played: 5
Won: 1
MVP: 0
Role: 0
Wolf: 3
Host: 0
An experienced player and wolf. Not likely to have given anything away as aware how wolves work. Probably just an experienced kill.
Players left in game number order:
EMP Demon
Played: 7
Won: 1
MVP: 0
Role: 2
Wolf: 2
Host: 3
A very experienced player, but never seems to survive, I know that feeling.... Also a very experienced host.
Eternally_Lost
Played: 6
Won: 1
MVP: 2
Role: 1
Wolf: 3
Host: 1
Another experienced player, but has died very quickly in quite a few games, so role experience is neglible. 2 MVP's to his name show how good he can be.
Thansal
Played: 6
Won: 3
MVP: 1
Role: 1
Wolf: 3
Host: 0
Another experienced player and I think possibly the record wolf winner? Anyway, good player..
locallyunscene
I believe it's his first game? Unless he has played before under another name?
Caboose
Also a first timer I believe?
Xentor
Played: 11
Won: 4
MVP: 0
Role: 1
Wolf: 2
Host: 0
(Note in 3 games he lost without dying as he was outnumbered, but he would have died, so does not count as win)
Well, you gotta admire the guys staying power, in most games he played, except for the 2 wolf games and a couple of others, he was alive at the end of the game, even though dead as outnumbered in 3 games. That's an amazing performance really in these games. Also, we made our debut together in TWG V: Aquarium..
Soul Rider
Played: 4
Won: 1
MVP: 1
Role: 2
Wolf: 0
Host: 0
I've played 4 games, and had 2 roles.... but, the last 2 games I died night 1, and one of those was as a role. 1st game ever, TWG V: I was also a role and told a wolf on day one I was the psychic!!! but my second game got me my MVP (though to be fair, if they knew how much I had been guessing and leading people on they would have known it was more luck than anything else, particuarly after the bad luck on the wolves part after they misinterpreted the clue, I would have died and would have been another wolf win for Eternally_Lost and Thansal!
Theslan
Played: 6
Won: 1
MVP: 1
Role: 1
Wolf: 1
Host: 2
Another experienced player and host, and someone else who isn't too fond of living, only surving the one game as well..
im_lost
Played: 14
Won: 3
MVP: 2
Role: 4
Wolf: 3
Host: 1
Another experienced player who loves to die reasonably early in the game. He also played a wizard in one game, which i have included under a role, as that was the only other special role in that game.
The_FeniX
Played: 3
Won:
MVP:
Role: 1
Wolf:
Host:
Alive but outnumbered in one game. One of the newer experienced players.
Ok so what is the point of all this....
Well first of all this is to try and find reasons into Gwahirs death.
He is certainly an experienced player, but only what you would consider average experience, when you look at everyone else playing. Aside: It's really good to see the mix of playing levels across the game, particuarly with 2 new, hopefully, regulars, it looks like we might survive for a bit longer, but it also means that there is no longer a guaranteed wolf hit, "because He's Experienced" There are too many experienced players to do that now, so it tends to mean there will be a slightly less randomisation to the killings, although night one killing is always pretty much a random thing, no-one really frees up too much information on the first night.
the downside is that with so many experienced players, it makes getting pulled into networks that much more difficult.. because there are more good players to choose from.
I haven't really spoken to anyone about the game, I've been collecting the information for the chart, but not a lot else has come my way. I'm in that between networks game which can be very quiet and boring, and being in a different timezone to all of you doesn't help that much.
I'm wanting to make suspicions about people, but I have had no more than about 5 mins conversation with anyone, so it really is nothing to go on. So far I have 7 possible wolves, and they are all the people I have spoken to!!
I don't think there is any player really close to Gwahir? You know real life friends or close online buddies who may find it hard to conceal they are a wolf from him so bumped him off? I don't think there are, so that means to me it was either random or he slipped up. More likely, as it was only night one and he is an experienced player, i'd go for the random kill.
Which leaves us precisely no further on than we were..
Well, even if it causes a bit of conversation it will be good for something.
I believe im_lost once told me he felt people believed him to be a better player than he actually felt he was. So was getting a bit fed uop with being wolfed all the time, although I may be wrong..
But it would be nice to see how otjher people feel about it anyway..
admitedly, with im lost NOT being wolfed, he obviously is a wolf, except that the wolves just want us to THINK that and then lynch him quickly! (expect that is just what they WANT us to think!)
I admit I am kinda curious about what people think about ELost and my self (and NSer, though he is not in this game). We have all been involved in some good wolf games, including 2 of them that involved fake networking.
As for this game itself, I expect the wolves to just keep a low profile (works best in a small wolf game). If one of them finds the bomb, they will probably just clear out of the area.
So, for the map, the bomb and some needed info.
So, each room has 4 areas, NW, NE, SE, SW.
The bomb can be in any corner.
We can be in any corner.
I seem to understand that the bomb will detonate in a square pattern, taking out anyone that is one set away from it
EX:
So, let us say the bomb is planted in room 1, SE corner. When it goes, will EVERYONE in room 1, those people on the West side of room 2, those one the North side of room 4, and any one in the NW corner of room 5, will all die. Right?
Or would the diagonal to room 5 not count?
Or is it EVERYONE in rooms 1, 2, 4, and 5?
What about the hallways? I assume they do not count as rooms, simply connections between Rooms 3&8 and rooms 5&10.
So a bomb in the west side of 10 will get people in 5. and the South side of 8 will get people in 3.
It seems like the safest places to be in the game are the corners where you don't connect to any rooms (1NW, 4SW, 3SE, 7NW/E, 9SE, 6NW), as those spots would require the bomb to be in the same room AS you to get you.
And then the defusal kit.
If the person with the kit is in the blast radius, the bomb just does nothing? or the person with the defusal kit lives, everyone else dies?