<!--quoteo(post=1793661:date=Aug 12 2010, 07:57 AM:name=derWalter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (derWalter @ Aug 12 2010, 07:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793661"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->cheating is getting an (unfair) advantage over other players.
a pistolscript is an (unfair) advantage, so its a cheat.
why do you think its banned in all leagues?
e.g. in the esl is net_graph forbidden because you can see when an opponent is entering your zone (important info as ct in counterstrike!)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is it now? Recheck the rules mister.
Cant say its that simple, everyone has something other doesnt have whether it is computer, network, location or talent.
Scripts are not cheats, are just scripts that helps non skilled players. On leagues are banned because they want all players with the same parameters and play with a vanilla client, nothing added on it. They want skilled players, people that know how to play with no extra help. Skill, always skill, not something that helps you.
What I saw bad is when a server is set to not allow scripts some people found a way to use it anyway (NS1, CS, DoD, etc.-), and that you can consider a cheat, because that player is (ab)using something that is not intended to be used.
I don't have problems with someone using scripts, but I don't like to read them saying that they are skilled, which are not.
sorry but network, location and computer it's different. A good computer It's NOT an advantage. It's just the way it's mean to be played. It's just that a bad computer is a handicap.
So very different than script
And i never lost BECAUSE of a better computer of my ennemy. But I lost so much because of pistol script.... or BH script
Programming/tweaking skill shouldn't be involved in a FPS/RTS game.
It's an unfair avantage by programming.
Ok it's avalailable for everyone.. (who take the time to find it, and to learn how it works) So what... cheat is the same. Everyone can have a buffer overflow and code an aimbot, that's the same NATURE (programming and modifying the game for an extra advantage), it's just a little more complicated
And it's not because it's ok for game developper that it is / it is not cheat; If tommorrow Unknow world say "it's ok to use aimbot" it will stilll be a cheat.
lol! On the bunnyhope thing I always aim a little more high than usual and always kill them. That is skill. Some use an strange script that makes them move to sides up and down all the time (is a nightmare when specting), and in this case is more difficult to kill, but if you aim a little low you get a headshoot.
I tried some srcipts but feel not comfortable with them, so I take them out. What I did was learn how to play, be more skilled than they, and then I managed to become a better player and have a good score.
There are many different scripts you can use that are not meant to help you shooting or moving, but it could help you on changing a gun for other or custom sayings, like asking for help/medpack/ammo. Anyway, I am so used to play with no scripts at all that when I try one I just mess up everything and end dead.
pSyk0mAnNerdish by NatureGermanyJoin Date: 2003-08-07Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer
<!--quoteo(post=1793686:date=Aug 12 2010, 10:21 AM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 10:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793686"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And i never lost BECAUSE of a better computer of my ennemy. But I lost so much because of pistol script.... or BH script<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's always good to see how people so obviously disqualify themselves from being taken seriously in these kind of discussions, so anyone with a slight clue about the game can easily pile through all this garbage in this and similar threads to find the few good posts.
Also, scripts are so out, FPS plays the game for you these days. You are so caught up in your scripter hate, because it's always so nice to blame others for loosing or being bad, that you totally miss all those players that use certain frames per second to get a slightly faster shooting rate, better jetpack and better air control/acceleration as alien.
And just as scripts these things don't play the game for you. While they give you a slight advantage, you still have to aim and move, position yourself properly and be aware of how the game and different situations play out, but you don't want to hear about that and rather blame scripts. Acknowledging that this small advantages are nothing compared to the actual skill needed to be really good means that you are not good and either have to improve your game or take the game and loosing less seriously, which is funny considering that the good players are always blamed for being too serious.
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edited August 2010
Autoaim integrated into NS2, "BH script", "headshoot", pistol scripts banned in leagues, NS being a "programming competition". I don't know which concept is the most ridiculously hilarious.
Seriously, fess up, are you all trolling? This is way too retarded to be for real.
<!--quoteo(post=1793688:date=Aug 12 2010, 08:51 AM:name=pSyk0mAn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pSyk0mAn @ Aug 12 2010, 08:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793688"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, scripts are so out, FPS plays the game for you these days. You are so caught up in your scripter hate, because it's always so nice to blame others for loosing or being bad, that you totally miss all those players that use certain frames per second to get a slightly faster shooting rate, better jetpack and better air control/acceleration as alien.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wakeup, we are speaking of NS1, and its a very old game. Now, everyone has dual / quad core with big graphic card, (big enough to run a 10 years old game in best conditions) So dont talk about fps when you don't know what it is.
More over, once you get 60fps, extra fps are useless. We're not playing with cathodic display anymore where 2 fps = 1 image. Now, 1fps = 1 image.
And there is no more 56k people playing. Everyone has optical fiber, adsl or cable.. So stop talking about hardware. Yes, there is some difference.. but it's pointless nowadays, on a 10years old game. What will you find after ? "some people are playing with the sun in the screen and others play in the dark " ?
You just try to hide the core of the discussion with stupid arguments.
<!--quoteo(post=1793704:date=Aug 12 2010, 05:14 PM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 05:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793704"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->:(<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I dont know if someone can be any more off. Troll or not it is scary that someone might take people like these seriously.
<!--quoteo(post=1793704:date=Aug 12 2010, 04:14 PM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 04:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793704"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->More over, once you get 60fps, extra fps are useless. We're not playing with cathodic display anymore where 2 fps = 1 image. Now, 1fps = 1 image.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See, now you disqualified yourself.
Any modern GPU precalculates frames by default. For NVIDIA GPUs the default value is 5 frames. This However means that you will suffer input lag, depending on your fps.
@ 60 fps a 5 frames precalculation is a 80ms input lag. @ 100 fps a 5 frames precaluclation is a 60ms input lag.
Thats a 25% improvement. Now lets calculate a 50ms ping in and a reaction time of 0.5 seconds. And we improved our total reaction time by 3%.
Try playing games were you have to scroll (RTS are the best example, NS commander view is also viable) at low fps (20 is good) and then at high fps. You should be able to feel the resulting input lag.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Stop crying about scripts. They are an important part of the game engine and are NOT cheating. Wasting time on something like this will do no good. Scripts are limited to THE COMMANDS ALREADY AVAILABLE TO THE PLAYER. Blocking scripts won't accomplish anything anyways, software macros are much more powerful. Let us not be like infinity ward and take away all customization from the player. Games that stagnate don't last long. I would rather have a much more colorful community where players can choose what kind of gameplay experience they feel like having. This game is supposed to be highly modable CLIENT and SERVER side.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Scripts are not part of the game engine... ns1 was using half-life 1 and half-life 1 was sucking a lot 15 year ago...
maybe the scripts are limited to the commands already available to the player BUT if you dont use scripts you lose 25 % speed/reaction/control/imagination/strategic plan you have nothing to think except rushing the hive or the cc with ur little bs bunny up script and killing everything easy just by pressing 2 button and controlling the view with ur mouse...
as a player of the community, I DONT WANT to choose the kind of gameplay i will play with. what i want is everybody in the community playing the same game without modification. There is no way to be more fair. If everybody is playing without scripts then you know you dont need them because you know you can be a good player with skill too. There is simply no way to be as good as some1 using fade scripts.... its just impossible.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Fact: If you want to ban scripts, use of better hardware, use of better peripherals, use of makro-keyboards etc. you might want to think about buying a ps or an xbox. cause you want to remve an important part of PC metagaming and culture. Something that has always set PCs aside from consoles.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't using scripts when i was playing with my father commodor 64 lol... those ###### bs scripts came with half-life 1 and now a lot of company still build their game that way because its giving more freedom to their player. That way they know they can sell more copy of their game and they dont care the gameplay. Its a business...
i would like to have a console instead of a comp but they are too expensive lol. with a 500 $ pc you always can run every game for 2 or 3 year and you have everything you want. (free music free porno free game (not normally free lol) a good internet browser, little interesting program like xfire...
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And I still think it's unfair that non-geek people, that dont have time or interest to seek internet for modern script, are disadvantaged in a game they payed the same price as others.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
nah man we are not disadvantaged ! WE ARE JUST ###### NOOB LOL. They think we are too retarded to search a script on google and we are noobs who always cry because we always lose... im gonna show them what real skill is when ns2 will be playable enough
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't want my competitiveness in NS2 to be proportional to my script writing ability and knowledge of the engine, rather than manual dexterity, knowledge of the powers, and using the interface. NS2 is a bloody video game, not a programming competition. If I wanted to write code, I wouldn't be playing a bloody video game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is for 75 % of players on ns1 so you cant be a "pro"
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So let people play with scripts on non-vanilla servers. I can tick an option in the server browser which says "Vanilla only", and not have to learn scripts to play competitively.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good idea but im sure there will be 0 server in it lol because all admins are "pro" or they have friends using scripts so they will have no choice to accept them in their server...
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As long as what you use don't artificially aim or find other players for you it is just fine. But don't say you are skilled if you use macros or scripts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
they dont need to say it lol just being on the top3 on every game is enough for them to think they are a legend.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And just as scripts these things don't play the game for you. While they give you a slight advantage, you still have to aim and move, position yourself properly and be aware of how the game and different situations play out, but you don't want to hear about that and rather blame scripts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
wow seriously lol ? you need to move and aim ? wow seem hard ! i need to play that game more often i didnt know we could do that !
we all know we need to be in front of a vent lol not under it... stop calling us noob we are just saying that script give an advantage and its unfair. we should be able to play the game the way the creator made it... if they want us to play with script then ask them to put the scripts in the option menu under the control section...
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 04:40 PM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 04:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->if they want us to play with script then ask them to put the scripts in the option menu under the control section...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
YES !
@Faskalia : I dont know how you calcul but for me : 100fps = 50ms input lag. Even if it's not real input lag because the 5th image is calculated with last up-to-date data, and sent instantly after. so at t=80ms, the 60fps will have the T=80ms image sent to the monitor, while the 100fps will still be calculating it. (even if the 100fps will be up to date more often over the 60fps, than the 60fps will be over the 100fps)
So it's not a real input lag, it's more a refreshing time rate.
PrefixÉirinn go BráchJoin Date: 2006-12-31Member: 59353Members, Constellation
edited August 2010
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 05:40 PM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 05:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->nah man we are not disadvantaged ! WE ARE JUST ###### NOOB LOL. They think we are too retarded to search a script on google and we are noobs who always cry because we always lose... <b>im gonna show them what real skill is when ns2 will be playable enough</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol'd.
Seriously though, most of the good players are known, and if they were aim botting I'm 99% certain they would always be caught. It is conceivable that some players could be using wall hacks, I know some people in the ENSL community who suspect others of using wall hacks but frankly it is pretty hard to prove because it isn't as effective as something like an aim bot.
Also, scripting is not cheating, it doesn't let you do anything you can't normally do. The only script that is commonly used is the pistol script, makes life a little easier but if people didn't use it they could get just as good without it.
So I have to completely disagree with the OP's retarded original post, and although I haven't read many of the others those that I have are also pretty retarded. No doubt the same ###### will carry right though considering NS2 is going to be even more customizable.
EDIT: The ignorance here is outstanding, you guys are just chucking 'facts' about when you haven't even checked! Pistol scripts are allowed in the <a href="http://ensl.org/" target="_blank">only remaining NS league</a>.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, scripting is not cheating, it doesn't let you do anything you can't normally do. The only script that is commonly used is the pistol script, makes life a little easier but if people didn't use it they could get just as good without it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah so aimbot is not cheating , cuz it doesn't let you do anything you can't normally do. because it's just aiming and everyone can aim ? It make you aim almost perfectly in all confort
It's same for BH script, it make you bh almost perfectly in all confort
It's same for pistol script, it makes you fire very fast in all confort
They are all the same, they do something for you. One is aiming, the other is jumping, and the last is firing same behavior, same cause : CHEATING
PrefixÉirinn go BráchJoin Date: 2006-12-31Member: 59353Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1793726:date=Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793726"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah so aimbot is not cheating , cuz it doesn't let you do anything you can't normally do. because it's just aiming and everyone can aim ? It make you aim almost perfectly in all confort<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. An aimbot doesn't miss. It tracks a target perfectly. If this happens consistently then it is inhuman.
<!--quoteo(post=1793726:date=Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793726"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's same for BH script, it make you bh almost perfectly in all confort<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2. Obviously you either can't bunnyhop or you have never used the script, it just helps a little with timing the jump, the movement part of bunnyhopping (strafing and mouse movement) is not handled by these scripts at all, and would be a disadvantage if it was.
<!--quoteo(post=1793726:date=Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793726"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's same for pistol script, it makes you fire very fast in all confort<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
3. Pretty sure I covered this above? Can be done without the script.
BHOPPING is just the frictionless jumping, a script wouldn't make you strafe and air accelerate and master several mouse movement techniques when jumping around the map. If you have decent FPS and just bind jump to just your right click you never have to worry about messing up a bhop - unless you're just utterly stupid. Pistol script? After the fire rate change, you do realize you can just bind attack to mouse keys and fire @ the cap speed without any script? You can bind attack to more than one key.
BHOP/pistol scripts have been completely redundant in NS for a long time. I just laugh when I hear some idiot die to a pistol and scream "nice script". No the cheating players mainly use wallhacks. Anyone using an aimbot gets caught out fast, and no long-time player will be able to aimbot for a lengthy period without being caught. Subtle speed hacks and wallers are the most common and annoying hacks. It's not worth making a game not customizable, every game has to deal with hackers NS is no different.
People will make a separate .cfg depending if they are going aliens or marines. Different sensitivities, command binds, movement binds but you can't queue up a succession of commands - which can and was extremely abused in NS"s early days. I think that's as far as having access to variables should be allowed. Let's worry about getting a game worth caring about to be angry at hackers first.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Scripts are not part of the game engine... ns1 was using half-life 1 and half-life 1 was sucking a lot 15 year ago...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Scripts ARE part of a game engine. Anytime you jump or shoot or do ANYTHING in game you are using a script made by the developers of the game.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->maybe the scripts are limited to the commands already available to the player BUT if you dont use scripts you lose 25 % speed/reaction/control/imagination/strategic plan you have nothing to think except rushing the hive or the cc with ur little bs bunny up script and killing everything easy just by pressing 2 button and controlling the view with ur mouse...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is the biggest misconception about people not using scripts that I've seen. Scripts are not a SUPER LOL I AM PRO button for the game. They are just a series of console commands, and have no sort of "AI". Scripts only work as good as the people using them. Also, not all scripts are for these purposes. In TFC I remember having a 3 page long admin/say/general purpose menu script. A script that allowed me to adjust quickly to the highly varying play styles/game modes of TFC servers. Without it I would be stuck constantly rebinding my keys anytime I went to a different server. Since NS2 also claims to want this diversity, having the user being able to change their controls from vanilla to suit others mods is necessary. (Or in NS2's case, when switching teams, or going comm, or evolving, etc.)
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->as a player of the community, I DONT WANT to choose the kind of gameplay i will play with.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then don't. Just because you don't want to choose how to play the game doesn't mean others feel this way.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->what i want is everybody in the community playing the same game without modification.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This game is BUILT for modification. <!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is no way to be more fair.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Purity and script regulations on servers that are opposed to them.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If everybody is playing without scripts then you know you dont need them because you know you can be a good player with skill too.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Scripts != Skill. A person can suck just as bad with scripts as without them.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is simply no way to be as good as some1 using fade scripts.... its just impossible.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fade scripts... Wut?
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wasn't using scripts when i was playing with my father commodor 64 lol... those ###### bs scripts came with half-life 1 and now a lot of company still build their game that way because its giving more freedom to their player. That way they know they can sell more copy of their game and they dont care the gameplay. Its a business...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh God. Freedom to the player? A successful game? BAN SCRIPTS NOAW!
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->nah man we are not disadvantaged ! WE ARE JUST ###### NOOB LOL. They think we are too retarded to search a script on google and we are noobs who always cry because we always lose... im gonna show them what real skill is when ns2 will be playable enough It is for 75 % of players on ns1 so you cant be a "pro"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
aiming is a part of the game too... but aimbot stay a cheat. and whallhack too.. (motion tracking).
If script doesn't bring you any advantage over other people, why do you need ones ? for cumfort ?
Well i can fire perfectly when i'have a good connection, took three coffeee, when i'm focused very high with a lot of pressure. So, is it legitimate that i use aimbot the rest of the time to have comfort ?
<!--quoteo(post=1793730:date=Aug 12 2010, 12:49 PM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 12:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793730"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->aiming is a part of the game too... but aimbot stay a cheat. and whallhack too.. (motion tracking).
If script doesn't bring you any advantage over other people, why do you need ones ? for cumfort ?
Well i can fire perfectly when i'have a good connection, took three coffeee, when i'm focused very high with a lot of pressure. So, is it legitimate that i use aimbot the rest of the time to have comfort ?
That's the same.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I explained why scripts are useful and how they don't play the game for you in my previous post.
Terrible troll, is just plain bad. Get back under your bridge.
My childes, please stop talking. One don't understand what a cheat an script are and the the difference between both. The other use scripts because is not skilled.
For once, if you use a cheat you're lame, if you use an script and claim you are skilled you are lame. Period. People use scripts because they are not skilled, and when they suck at life too they use cheats.
<!--quoteo(post=1793736:date=Aug 12 2010, 01:22 PM:name=PaiSand)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PaiSand @ Aug 12 2010, 01:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793736"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My childes, please stop talking. One don't understand what a cheat an script are and the the difference between both. The other use scripts because is not skilled.
For once, if you use a cheat you're lame, if you use an script and claim you are skilled you are lame. Period. People use scripts because they are not skilled, and when they suck at life too they use cheats.
Everything else is just nonsense talk.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This topic is troll city, located in the state of broken English.
PrefixÉirinn go BráchJoin Date: 2006-12-31Member: 59353Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1793737:date=Aug 12 2010, 07:29 PM:name=Soli Deo Gloria)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Soli Deo Gloria @ Aug 12 2010, 07:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793737"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This topic is troll city, located in the state of broken English.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This.
Either the average IQ of the NS community has dropped drastically or everyone just loves trolling.
Either the average IQ of the NS community has dropped drastically or everyone just loves trolling.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old chart is old. But is has a valid point. Sweetspotting fps was a quake2 specialty.
However this effect only haunts a certain engine branch and cannot be generalized. IIRC the thread title still is: Cheating in NS2, so why not get back to stuff that is actually spark engine related or applies to more than 50% of all FPS.
<a href="http://wiki.modsrepository.com/index.php/Call_of_Duty_:_A_Study_on_FPS" target="_blank">This is another </a> since the first was "old", this one is newer, and comes from the Return to Castle Wolfenstein specific IDTech3 engine, although its an altogether different game.
Quake 2 wasn't the first, not the last and there are alot more games than you seem to think that have the same quirks, since so many games of the last 15 years or so have used code derived from the same source.
The point of my previous post however was that someone said that above 60fps was pointless. Which is wrong beyond nvidia putting some setting in their cards.
With half-life specifically, 60 fps is one of the worst frame rates you could possibly use.
I assume building an engine from scratch is the only way to prevent these things.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 12:40 PM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 12:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Scripts are not part of the game engine... ns1 was using half-life 1 and half-life 1 was sucking a lot 15 year ago...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why do some of you say they don't play without scripts, because they don't like it (simplifies the game too much, or whatever) but at the same time want to enforce their style of playing onto others and additionally flaming people who use them.
Next thing is we have to play NS2 on a PS3 with a normed TV, so that we are all equal. Like Milton Friedman always used to say (might be not an exact quote :( ...) "We should make sure that everyone can start from the starting line at the same time and not ensure that everybody ends up at the finish line at the same time" what would be the point of the latter.
Just accept that some people are better at something, it's all in the mindset of either "playing for fun" or "playing to win" imho.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->2. Obviously you either can't bunnyhop or you have never used the script, it just helps a little with timing the jump<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
so you agree its helping ? its what im calling a cheat... you wouldn't be as good as you are without it
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I just laugh when I hear some idiot die to a pistol and scream "nice script".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> im laughing too with that pistol script lol. ppl using it never hit me because i never bunny up like all other player and i eat them easy. its always funny, i have personally no prob with that pistol script but i have with the bunny up and those for the fade. (i dont know if there is scripts for lerk but i dont see the use because we always need adrenaline for flying...)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why do some of you say they don't play without scripts, because they don't like it (simplifies the game too much, or whatever) but at the same time want to enforce their style of playing onto others and additionally flaming people who use them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
because when we play an online game we want to play against legit ppl. its not a single player game... i dont care what ur doing with your games but when your playing against me i want you to play legit so we can have a real fun game with equally chances to win. if its not the case then whats the point to play online ?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just accept that some people are better at something<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
they are not better, they are just loser who dont want to lose.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->it's all in the mindset of either "playing for fun" or "playing to win" imho.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ppl using script are forcing me to play to win. there is no place to play for fun even if its the best fps in the world because there is no fun to play against scripter/cheater
You only think of how scripts/scripting can be annoying to YOU and only the ways such features can be used. The bottom line of the matter is scripting is an integral part of the engine and is in general a GOOD thing. I am not saying there are not ways to abuse it; there are ways to abuse everything. But removing a feature just because YOU get a little upset over such a thing won't happen.
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a pistolscript is an (unfair) advantage, so its a cheat.
why do you think its banned in all leagues?
e.g. in the esl is net_graph forbidden because you can see when an opponent is
entering your zone (important info as ct in counterstrike!)
a pistolscript is an (unfair) advantage, so its a cheat.
why do you think its banned in all leagues?
e.g. in the esl is net_graph forbidden because you can see when an opponent is
entering your zone (important info as ct in counterstrike!)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is it now? Recheck the rules mister.
Cant say its that simple, everyone has something other doesnt have whether it is computer, network, location or talent.
On leagues are banned because they want all players with the same parameters and play with a vanilla client, nothing added on it. They want skilled players, people that know how to play with no extra help. Skill, always skill, not something that helps you.
What I saw bad is when a server is set to not allow scripts some people found a way to use it anyway (NS1, CS, DoD, etc.-), and that you can consider a cheat, because that player is (ab)using something that is not intended to be used.
I don't have problems with someone using scripts, but I don't like to read them saying that they are skilled, which are not.
A good computer It's NOT an advantage. It's just the way it's mean to be played.
It's just that a bad computer is a handicap.
So very different than script
And i never lost BECAUSE of a better computer of my ennemy.
But I lost so much because of pistol script.... or BH script
Programming/tweaking skill shouldn't be involved in a FPS/RTS game.
It's an unfair avantage by programming.
Ok it's avalailable for everyone.. (who take the time to find it, and to learn how it works)
So what... cheat is the same. Everyone can have a buffer overflow and code an aimbot, that's the same NATURE (programming and modifying the game for an extra advantage), it's just a little more complicated
And it's not because it's ok for game developper that it is / it is not cheat;
If tommorrow Unknow world say "it's ok to use aimbot" it will stilll be a cheat.
On the bunnyhope thing I always aim a little more high than usual and always kill them. That is skill.
Some use an strange script that makes them move to sides up and down all the time (is a nightmare when specting), and in this case is more difficult to kill, but if you aim a little low you get a headshoot.
I tried some srcipts but feel not comfortable with them, so I take them out. What I did was learn how to play, be more skilled than they, and then I managed to become a better player and have a good score.
There are many different scripts you can use that are not meant to help you shooting or moving, but it could help you on changing a gun for other or custom sayings, like asking for help/medpack/ammo. Anyway, I am so used to play with no scripts at all that when I try one I just mess up everything and end dead.
But I lost so much because of pistol script.... or BH script<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's always good to see how people so obviously disqualify themselves from being taken seriously in these kind of discussions, so anyone with a slight clue about the game can easily pile through all this garbage in this and similar threads to find the few good posts.
Also, scripts are so out, FPS plays the game for you these days.
You are so caught up in your scripter hate, because it's always so nice to blame others for loosing or being bad, that you totally miss all those players that use certain frames per second to get a slightly faster shooting rate, better jetpack and better air control/acceleration as alien.
And just as scripts these things don't play the game for you. While they give you a slight advantage, you still have to aim and move, position yourself properly and be aware of how the game and different situations play out, but you don't want to hear about that and rather blame scripts.
Acknowledging that this small advantages are nothing compared to the actual skill needed to be really good means that you are not good and either have to improve your game or take the game and loosing less seriously, which is funny considering that the good players are always blamed for being too serious.
Seriously, fess up, are you all trolling? This is way too retarded to be for real.
You are so caught up in your scripter hate, because it's always so nice to blame others for loosing or being bad, that you totally miss all those players that use certain frames per second to get a slightly faster shooting rate, better jetpack and better air control/acceleration as alien.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wakeup, we are speaking of NS1, and its a very old game.
Now, everyone has dual / quad core with big graphic card, (big enough to run a 10 years old game in best conditions)
So dont talk about fps when you don't know what it is.
More over, once you get 60fps, extra fps are useless.
We're not playing with cathodic display anymore where 2 fps = 1 image.
Now, 1fps = 1 image.
And there is no more 56k people playing. Everyone has optical fiber, adsl or cable..
So stop talking about hardware.
Yes, there is some difference.. but it's pointless nowadays, on a 10years old game.
What will you find after ? "some people are playing with the sun in the screen and others play in the dark " ?
You just try to hide the core of the discussion with stupid arguments.
I dont know if someone can be any more off. Troll or not it is scary that someone might take people like these seriously.
We're not playing with cathodic display anymore where 2 fps = 1 image.
Now, 1fps = 1 image.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See, now you disqualified yourself.
Any modern GPU precalculates frames by default. For NVIDIA GPUs the default value is 5 frames. This However means that you will suffer input lag, depending on your fps.
@ 60 fps a 5 frames precalculation is a 80ms input lag.
@ 100 fps a 5 frames precaluclation is a 60ms input lag.
Thats a 25% improvement.
Now lets calculate a 50ms ping in and a reaction time of 0.5 seconds.
And we improved our total reaction time by 3%.
Try playing games were you have to scroll (RTS are the best example, NS commander view is also viable) at low fps (20 is good) and then at high fps. You should be able to feel the resulting input lag.
Scripts are not part of the game engine... ns1 was using half-life 1 and half-life 1 was sucking a lot 15 year ago...
maybe the scripts are limited to the commands already available to the player BUT if you dont use scripts you lose 25 % speed/reaction/control/imagination/strategic plan you have nothing to think except rushing the hive or the cc with ur little bs bunny up script and killing everything easy just by pressing 2 button and controlling the view with ur mouse...
as a player of the community, I DONT WANT to choose the kind of gameplay i will play with. what i want is everybody in the community playing the same game without modification. There is no way to be more fair. If everybody is playing without scripts then you know you dont need them because you know you can be a good player with skill too. There is simply no way to be as good as some1 using fade scripts.... its just impossible.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Fact: If you want to ban scripts, use of better hardware, use of better peripherals, use of makro-keyboards etc. you might want to think about buying a ps or an xbox. cause you want to remve an important part of PC metagaming and culture. Something that has always set PCs aside from consoles.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't using scripts when i was playing with my father commodor 64 lol... those ###### bs scripts came with half-life 1 and now a lot of company still build their game that way because its giving more freedom to their player. That way they know they can sell more copy of their game and they dont care the gameplay. Its a business...
i would like to have a console instead of a comp but they are too expensive lol. with a 500 $ pc you always can run every game for 2 or 3 year and you have everything you want. (free music free porno free game (not normally free lol) a good internet browser, little interesting program like xfire...
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And I still think it's unfair that non-geek people, that dont have time or interest to seek internet for modern script, are disadvantaged in a game they payed the same price as others.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
nah man we are not disadvantaged ! WE ARE JUST ###### NOOB LOL. They think we are too retarded to search a script on google and we are noobs who always cry because we always lose... im gonna show them what real skill is when ns2 will be playable enough
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't want my competitiveness in NS2 to be proportional to my script writing ability and knowledge of the engine, rather than manual dexterity, knowledge of the powers, and using the interface. NS2 is a bloody video game, not a programming competition. If I wanted to write code, I wouldn't be playing a bloody video game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is for 75 % of players on ns1 so you cant be a "pro"
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So let people play with scripts on non-vanilla servers. I can tick an option in the server browser which says "Vanilla only", and not have to learn scripts to play competitively.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good idea but im sure there will be 0 server in it lol because all admins are "pro" or they have friends using scripts so they will have no choice to accept them in their server...
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As long as what you use don't artificially aim or find other players for you it is just fine. But don't say you are skilled if you use macros or scripts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
they dont need to say it lol just being on the top3 on every game is enough for them to think they are a legend.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And just as scripts these things don't play the game for you. While they give you a slight advantage, you still have to aim and move, position yourself properly and be aware of how the game and different situations play out, but you don't want to hear about that and rather blame scripts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
wow seriously lol ? you need to move and aim ? wow seem hard ! i need to play that game more often i didnt know we could do that !
we all know we need to be in front of a vent lol not under it... stop calling us noob we are just saying that script give an advantage and its unfair. we should be able to play the game the way the creator made it... if they want us to play with script then ask them to put the scripts in the option menu under the control section...
YES !
@Faskalia : I dont know how you calcul but for me :
100fps = 50ms input lag.
Even if it's not real input lag because the 5th image is calculated with last up-to-date data, and sent instantly after.
so at t=80ms, the 60fps will have the T=80ms image sent to the monitor, while the 100fps will still be calculating it. (even if the 100fps will be up to date more often over the 60fps, than the 60fps will be over the 100fps)
So it's not a real input lag, it's more a refreshing time rate.
lol'd.
Seriously though, most of the good players are known, and if they were aim botting I'm 99% certain they would always be caught. It is conceivable that some players could be using wall hacks, I know some people in the ENSL community who suspect others of using wall hacks but frankly it is pretty hard to prove because it isn't as effective as something like an aim bot.
Also, scripting is not cheating, it doesn't let you do anything you can't normally do. The only script that is commonly used is the pistol script, makes life a little easier but if people didn't use it they could get just as good without it.
So I have to completely disagree with the OP's retarded original post, and although I haven't read many of the others those that I have are also pretty retarded. No doubt the same ###### will carry right though considering NS2 is going to be even more customizable.
EDIT: The ignorance here is outstanding, you guys are just chucking 'facts' about when you haven't even checked! Pistol scripts are allowed in the <a href="http://ensl.org/" target="_blank">only remaining NS league</a>.
Yeah so aimbot is not cheating , cuz it doesn't let you do anything you can't normally do.
because it's just aiming and everyone can aim ? It make you aim almost perfectly in all confort
It's same for BH script, it make you bh almost perfectly in all confort
It's same for pistol script, it makes you fire very fast in all confort
They are all the same, they do something for you.
One is aiming, the other is jumping, and the last is firing
same behavior, same cause : CHEATING
because it's just aiming and everyone can aim ? It make you aim almost perfectly in all confort<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. An aimbot doesn't miss. It tracks a target perfectly. If this happens consistently then it is inhuman.
<!--quoteo(post=1793726:date=Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793726"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's same for BH script, it make you bh almost perfectly in all confort<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2. Obviously you either can't bunnyhop or you have never used the script, it just helps a little with timing the jump, the movement part of bunnyhopping (strafing and mouse movement) is not handled by these scripts at all, and would be a disadvantage if it was.
<!--quoteo(post=1793726:date=Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM:name=Tgaud)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tgaud @ Aug 12 2010, 06:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793726"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's same for pistol script, it makes you fire very fast in all confort<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
3. Pretty sure I covered this above? Can be done without the script.
Ignorance is bliss, right?
BHOPPING is just the frictionless jumping, a script wouldn't make you strafe and air accelerate and master several mouse movement techniques when jumping around the map. If you have decent FPS and just bind jump to just your right click you never have to worry about messing up a bhop - unless you're just utterly stupid. Pistol script? After the fire rate change, you do realize you can just bind attack to mouse keys and fire @ the cap speed without any script? You can bind attack to more than one key.
BHOP/pistol scripts have been completely redundant in NS for a long time. I just laugh when I hear some idiot die to a pistol and scream "nice script". No the cheating players mainly use wallhacks. Anyone using an aimbot gets caught out fast, and no long-time player will be able to aimbot for a lengthy period without being caught. Subtle speed hacks and wallers are the most common and annoying hacks. It's not worth making a game not customizable, every game has to deal with hackers NS is no different.
People will make a separate .cfg depending if they are going aliens or marines. Different sensitivities, command binds, movement binds but you can't queue up a succession of commands - which can and was extremely abused in NS"s early days. I think that's as far as having access to variables should be allowed. Let's worry about getting a game worth caring about to be angry at hackers first.
Scripts ARE part of a game engine. Anytime you jump or shoot or do ANYTHING in game you are using a script made by the developers of the game.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->maybe the scripts are limited to the commands already available to the player BUT if you dont use scripts you lose 25 % speed/reaction/control/imagination/strategic plan you have nothing to think except rushing the hive or the cc with ur little bs bunny up script and killing everything easy just by pressing 2 button and controlling the view with ur mouse...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is the biggest misconception about people not using scripts that I've seen. Scripts are not a SUPER LOL I AM PRO button for the game. They are just a series of console commands, and have no sort of "AI". Scripts only work as good as the people using them. Also, not all scripts are for these purposes. In TFC I remember having a 3 page long admin/say/general purpose menu script. A script that allowed me to adjust quickly to the highly varying play styles/game modes of TFC servers. Without it I would be stuck constantly rebinding my keys anytime I went to a different server. Since NS2 also claims to want this diversity, having the user being able to change their controls from vanilla to suit others mods is necessary. (Or in NS2's case, when switching teams, or going comm, or evolving, etc.)
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->as a player of the community, I DONT WANT to choose the kind of gameplay i will play with.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then don't. Just because you don't want to choose how to play the game doesn't mean others feel this way.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->what i want is everybody in the community playing the same game without modification.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This game is BUILT for modification.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is no way to be more fair.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Purity and script regulations on servers that are opposed to them.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If everybody is playing without scripts then you know you dont need them because you know you can be a good player with skill too.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Scripts != Skill. A person can suck just as bad with scripts as without them.
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is simply no way to be as good as some1 using fade scripts.... its just impossible.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fade scripts... Wut?
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wasn't using scripts when i was playing with my father commodor 64 lol... those ###### bs scripts came with half-life 1 and now a lot of company still build their game that way because its giving more freedom to their player. That way they know they can sell more copy of their game and they dont care the gameplay. Its a business...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh God. Freedom to the player? A successful game? BAN SCRIPTS NOAW!
<!--quoteo(post=1793719:date=Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM:name=Destrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destrock @ Aug 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1793719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->nah man we are not disadvantaged ! WE ARE JUST ###### NOOB LOL. They think we are too retarded to search a script on google and we are noobs who always cry because we always lose... im gonna show them what real skill is when ns2 will be playable enough
It is for 75 % of players on ns1 so you cant be a "pro"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have fun playing with the other 25%.
and whallhack too.. (motion tracking).
If script doesn't bring you any advantage over other people, why do you need ones ?
for cumfort ?
Well i can fire perfectly when i'have a good connection, took three coffeee, when i'm focused very high with a lot of pressure.
So, is it legitimate that i use aimbot the rest of the time to have comfort ?
That's the same.
and whallhack too.. (motion tracking).
If script doesn't bring you any advantage over other people, why do you need ones ?
for cumfort ?
Well i can fire perfectly when i'have a good connection, took three coffeee, when i'm focused very high with a lot of pressure.
So, is it legitimate that i use aimbot the rest of the time to have comfort ?
That's the same.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I explained why scripts are useful and how they don't play the game for you in my previous post.
Terrible troll, is just plain bad.
Get back under your bridge.
<a href="http://www.fortress-forever.com/fpsreport/" target="_blank">Look here</a> and be educated.
For once, if you use a cheat you're lame, if you use an script and claim you are skilled you are lame. Period.
People use scripts because they are not skilled, and when they suck at life too they use cheats.
Everything else is just nonsense talk.
For once, if you use a cheat you're lame, if you use an script and claim you are skilled you are lame. Period.
People use scripts because they are not skilled, and when they suck at life too they use cheats.
Everything else is just nonsense talk.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This topic is troll city, located in the state of broken English.
This.
Either the average IQ of the NS community has dropped drastically or everyone just loves trolling.
Either the average IQ of the NS community has dropped drastically or everyone just loves trolling.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Old chart is old. But is has a valid point. Sweetspotting fps was a quake2 specialty.
However this effect only haunts a certain engine branch and cannot be generalized. IIRC the thread title still is: Cheating in NS2, so why not get back to stuff that is actually spark engine related or applies to more than 50% of all FPS.
Quake 2 wasn't the first, not the last and there are alot more games than you seem to think that have the same quirks, since so many games of the last 15 years or so have used code derived from the same source.
The point of my previous post however was that someone said that above 60fps was pointless. Which is wrong beyond nvidia putting some setting in their cards.
With half-life specifically, 60 fps is one of the worst frame rates you could possibly use.
I assume building an engine from scratch is the only way to prevent these things.
Thanks DarkFrost,
I was never aware that fps can also influence character movement.
halflife came out in 98. just sayin.
Why do some of you say they don't play without scripts, because they don't like it (simplifies the game too much, or whatever) but at the same time want to enforce their style of playing onto others and additionally flaming people who use them.
Next thing is we have to play NS2 on a PS3 with a normed TV, so that we are all equal.
Like Milton Friedman always used to say (might be not an exact quote :( ...) "We should make sure that everyone can start from the starting line at the same time and not ensure that everybody ends up at the finish line at the same time" what would be the point of the latter.
Just accept that some people are better at something, it's all in the mindset of either "playing for fun" or "playing to win" imho.
so you agree its helping ? its what im calling a cheat... you wouldn't be as good as you are without it
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I just laugh when I hear some idiot die to a pistol and scream "nice script".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> im laughing too with that pistol script lol. ppl using it never hit me because i never bunny up like all other player and i eat them easy. its always funny, i have personally no prob with that pistol script but i have with the bunny up and those for the fade. (i dont know if there is scripts for lerk but i dont see the use because we always need adrenaline for flying...)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why do some of you say they don't play without scripts, because they don't like it (simplifies the game too much, or whatever) but at the same time want to enforce their style of playing onto others and additionally flaming people who use them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
because when we play an online game we want to play against legit ppl. its not a single player game... i dont care what ur doing with your games but when your playing against me i want you to play legit so we can have a real fun game with equally chances to win. if its not the case then whats the point to play online ?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just accept that some people are better at something<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
they are not better, they are just loser who dont want to lose.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->it's all in the mindset of either "playing for fun" or "playing to win" imho.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ppl using script are forcing me to play to win. there is no place to play for fun even if its the best fps in the world because there is no fun to play against scripter/cheater
You only think of how scripts/scripting can be annoying to YOU and only the ways such features can be used. The bottom line of the matter is scripting is an integral part of the engine and is in general a GOOD thing. I am not saying there are not ways to abuse it; there are ways to abuse everything. But removing a feature just because YOU get a little upset over such a thing won't happen.