shotgun bash
uspowersquadron
Join Date: 2012-08-11 Member: 155450Members
Join Date: 2012-08-11 Member: 155450Members
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I'm all for it. It's a bit counter-intuitive that your weakest gun can bash, but the better guns cannot.
I think the reason why it's this way is mostly historical. Once upon a time the rifle butt attack was really OP. Then they nerfed it, the amount of damage as well as the distance. Now a rifle butt does just 20 damage and in a range that's half as long as the skulk bite (iirc). Also the grenade launcher used to be an attachment to the rifle which meant that the right mouse button changed from rifle-butt attack to launch a grenade. Now the GL is a separate wepaon.
Currently you need (70+10*2)/10 = 9 rifle rounds to kill a skulk, (70+50*2)/10 = 17 if they have carapace. The rifle butt can make up for two of those rounds. In the case of the shotgun, it shoots 10 pellets, each of which does 17 damage, so you need (70+10*2)/17 = 5.2 pellets or 6/10 to kill a skulk, 10/10 for a carapace skulk. At 20 damage, the rifle-butt would account for just one of those pellets.
Intuitively you'd expect the shotgun to have that kind of ability simply because it's a more robust kind of weapon than a rifle. But the flamethrower and GL are too bulky/cumbersome (assuming the new GL model coming out next build is simliar to the current style).
I can't see any reason why the shotgun doesn't have it, with similiarly weak values. So long as the right click isn't used for anything else, I think the intuitive benefits outweigh the balance change.
But then how am I going to be able to make my pistol-whipping frag video :)
Although I kind of think that bash should be more of a utility than an attack, like if all of the vents were covered in a mesh, and you could bash them in. (or aliens would bite them).
Kind of makes sense that vents would start covered.
Just scale it properly to the weapon. Pistol obviously should do very little with a bash. I think the bash in general is a bit too powerful though. I would prefer knockback and less damage.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind bash being on all the weapons without a secondary fire, but removing the stun effect.
+1
this sort of forces the skulk to not leap at the marines at the front.
i would change it from a stun to a knockback (or both), so that you could put distance between you and the skulk for a reload or retreat, but the skulk isnt just sitting stunned at your feet. if the skulk were knocked back, he could escape, rather than just being stunned on the ground.
i don't know about giving it to every weapon. GLs and FTs don't look very bashable... long guns like SG and LMG do. and pistol really shouldnt. maybe just give it a punch for 10
oh and if everything i said about stun is right, why not apply it to the axe?