"We're about to GG the other team"
sirshorty
Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165198Members
Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165198Members
I'm ready to get flamed here... but since NS1 - many many years ago... I left PC gaming entirely. Bought a Mac, moved gaming to PS2, Xbox 360 etc.. and played only console games, where you didn't use keyboard or mouse.
Now I'm back in the realm of keyboard and mouse with NS2, I've heard a weird saying, that doesn't actually make any sense... Spoken over the mic, many times over - are people saying just "GG" and "We're about to GG the other team"
I'm wondering - do these people know what GG even means? Because they certainly don't make any sense by saying the above!
Maybe it's just me getting old... ! :)
Now I'm back in the realm of keyboard and mouse with NS2, I've heard a weird saying, that doesn't actually make any sense... Spoken over the mic, many times over - are people saying just "GG" and "We're about to GG the other team"
I'm wondering - do these people know what GG even means? Because they certainly don't make any sense by saying the above!
Maybe it's just me getting old... ! :)
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Now I'm back in the realm of keyboard and mouse with NS2, I've heard a weird saying, that doesn't actually make any sense... Spoken over the mic, many times over - are people saying just "GG" and "We're about to GG the other team"
I'm wondering - do these people know what GG even means? Because they certainly don't make any sense by saying the above!
Maybe it's just me getting old... ! :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They probably mean that they are about to make the other team say gg....and yes, you're getting old...so very old.
I first heared that usage of gg by NS2HD in one of his early videos...
So...GG = game over / win/lose whatever you want.
Because there can't be a bg in NS2.
Yes people do know what they are saying, they do know what it means, but the usage of it has evolved over the years since the good ole days. Funny thing about language, it always evolves, or it just dies out...
Back in the original Half-Life (pick your mod) it was very common and polite to say "gg" (translated as Good Game) after the end of around. I've never seen the equivalent on consoles (i'm sure due to the lack of keyboard).
Pretty sure people were saying this even back in NS1, hell even in CS1.03
Hell, "gl hf" is dead nowadays because it never quite made it into the "tradition" that gg did. Just saying it means nothing, you actually have to feel it was a good game for both sides (not just yourself). Going 50-1 and outright destroying the enemy team...is only a good game for you and no one else. This is pretty equally common with people saying "its just a game" to mean "I don't have to try". In games like Dota/HoN people commonly "gg" complete stomps just to annoy the other team.
It's not about whether or not it was a good game, it's just manners/etiquette. A lot of StarCraft games aren't good games at lower levels, they are cheese games and no skill builds but if you lose, you say gg as a sign of respect or integrity. People who really arrogant and blame their team usually ###### talk or say bg (bad game), I know because I was like this as a kid. Nowadays, I just gg out if I'm losing or wait for the opposite team to gg if we are winning.
This is the interwebs my friend, it changes daily.
Sort of how "I have to go to the bath room" means "I'm need to piss or ###### in a toilet". What does "bath room" have to do with what's actually going on? It's just so established in it's understanding that we don't question it at all in this way any more. There was a time you would only say "bath room" though, if you knew the room you were referring to actually had a bath in it.
[edit] lol @ censor
Firstly, yeah, everyone knows what "gg" means. However, that we can say "to gg", "he gg'd" etc., is very characteristic of English post-generation X. In this generation, the use of <i>conversion</i>, of switching words from one category to another--ie, from noun to verb, from verb to adjective, dadada--without any sort of modification, has become perhaps the most productive way of creating new words in English. Computer subcultures are particularly eager on the uptake of this: consider that basically <i>every</i> noun in a computer game can be turned into a verb. He got shotgunned. He got axed. He got skulked. This list of examples got etc'd.
Secondly: I have never heard the example you give, "to gg the other team". This actually sounds improbable to me, since it involves adding an argument to the basic expression "to gg" (adding complexity) without affecting meaning. Colloquial speech doesn't tend to get more complex without a need to. Also, it is ambiguous in that context: does it mean to <i>give</i> GG to the other team, or to <i>force</i> the other team to GG? So adding complexity and ambiguity is just really unlikely from my perspective. But language is a wondefully unpredictable thing, so it could well be!
I will definitely be keeping my ears open for this, "to gg the other team". Has anyone else heard it used that way before? Would you guys use it that way yourselves?
Honestly, I understood the expression as "we are about to surrender to the other team." I have no idea why it would be used as "we are about to win," because the act of GG is equivalent to the act of surrendering nowadays.
To me, it would make perfect sense to hear in voice/team chat that "we're about to gg" as "we just came to the conclusion we cannot win, and are about to surrender"
expressions:
gg (spoken after game is over) = good game
gg (initiated during game) = I am resigning. this almost never means the game was actually good. nowadays, people use wp (well played) for that
verb:
gg = to give up (Let's gg. I'm going to gg)
gg = to do something that causes another player to give up
shorthands:
I'm gg or I'm gg'ed = something has done something that will cause me to give up
hagg or gg (before a game) = have a good game (similar to hf = have fun)
vgg = very good game
note the difference between "I'm gg" and "I'm in a bad position". gg usually implies no hope of recovery, very common in RTS games where there is a defeat condition
for example you say "wtf they have 3 onos already.... gg"
@ #16 - 'wp' can be used for that, or if you're too stubborn/bitter to comply with the decent ettiquette 'gg' then you could also use 'wp' because it could be interpreted as both straightforward and sarcastic. in a similar manner to the sc2 player stephano, who often says 'gratz' instead of 'gg'.
imo 'gg wp' is the true respectful defeat.
Firstly, yeah, everyone knows what "gg" means. However, that we can say "to gg", "he gg'd" etc., is very characteristic of English post-generation X. In this generation, the use of <i>conversion</i>, of switching words from one category to another--ie, from noun to verb, from verb to adjective, dadada--without any sort of modification, has become perhaps the most productive way of creating new words in English. Computer subcultures are particularly eager on the uptake of this: consider that basically <i>every</i> noun in a computer game can be turned into a verb. He got shotgunned. He got axed. He got skulked. This list of examples got etc'd.
Secondly: I have never heard the example you give, "to gg the other team". This actually sounds improbable to me, since it involves adding an argument to the basic expression "to gg" (adding complexity) without affecting meaning. Colloquial speech doesn't tend to get more complex without a need to. Also, it is ambiguous in that context: does it mean to <i>give</i> GG to the other team, or to <i>force</i> the other team to GG? So adding complexity and ambiguity is just really unlikely from my perspective. But language is a wondefully unpredictable thing, so it could well be!
I will definitely be keeping my ears open for this, "to gg the other team". Has anyone else heard it used that way before? Would you guys use it that way yourselves?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's WAY more natural to make an intransitive verb into a transitive verb than to make a noun into a verb in English. There's less linguistic resistance, the two verbs are of the same root type, as opposed to totally different roots in the other case.
"We're about to gg" means my team will surrender. "We're about to gg the other team" means our opponents will surrender.
Yeah I don't say gg if its a terrible match. Stacking should never be praised, or spawn killing, or turret farming.
Hence why there are rarely <u>real</u> good games with equally skilled opponents in MOBA matches. Yet players still say "gg", even after blatant stomps. Be it because they just have no idea what a good game is and follow a stupid "etiquette" ad absurdum or because they have fun trolling the losing team.
I made a rule for myself there:
<ul><li>Only call "gg" if it was really a good game that lasted longer than 25 minutes and where each team had their turn of pushes and comeback (instead of having the entire map controlled most of the time and just waiting 10 minutes to finally rush the losing turtle team.)</li><li>If you are on the winning team and still think that the losing team played well regardless of the stomp, add at least a "wp" or more encouraging words to the "gg" to show that you mean more than just the etiquette. Maybe apologize for the imbalanced teams.</li><li>The winning team should not call "gg" after a stomp but remain a humble silence. However, if the losing team offers the "gg" first, the winning team can call it too.</li></ul>
This illustrates another really cool thing about language change. GG has become a part of etiquette, like you guys mentioned. By becoming a part of etiquette, it loses its original semantic meaning: the word is <i>bleached</i>. Since it no longer actually refers to a good game, we can't use it to say we feel it was a good game. So we need something new! In our case, the term "well-played" has come to fill the gap left by GG.
Not picky at all, that's exactly how i handle it. I just can't understand how people can call a GG on rounds that have been heavily stacked or in some other way imbalanced for one side. Imho it dilutes the original meaning and i consider it rather offensive if the winning team goes "GG" when the losing team just had a really bad time.
A GG means that both sides had a good time, because they had an even and balanced match that stayed undecided until the very end.
A round where Marines contained the Kharaa team in their starting hive for 30 minutes to farm nice k:d ratios, without any back and forth, is not an GG, it's an useless waste of an round for both sides.
In that regard i consider proper usage of GG a sign of good sportsmanship. Not all games are good games, good games (especially in public NS gameplay) are usually the exception and not the norm.
When I'm playing as Commander/Khammander, I make sure I compliment players when they're listening to what I say; it boosts up the team morale, and that alone makes us win the game; simply because it makes the players want to listen and they generally feel good about themself. So even if we get stomped that round, and I compliment my team mates and opponents; it keeps up the team morale for the next game.
It's like they've never played a sport in their life, when you line up on the field after the game and shake hands, and say "good game" to every player even if you lost. Sportsmanship, it's a dying thing on the internet.
Exactly this.
It's like they've never played a sport in their life, when you line up on the field after the game and shake hands, and say "good game" to every player even if you lost. Sportsmanship, it's a dying thing on the internet.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So good sportsmanship means that you belittle your rival by going "Wow this has been great!" even in a situation where all involved players clearly know it's been a pretty one-sided affair?
Why doesn't a simple "Thanks for playing" suffice? How to discern between an actually fair/even matched game and a game where one side had been clearly out of their comfort zone if you just go "good game" all the time?
Good sportsmanship also means acknowledging that you only won because you heavily outclassed your rival or got an one-sided advantage in some other way, it's not a simple matter of exchanging polite words while one side has to eat up the frustration, delivering a forced smile with those polite words. It's like the difference between feedback and constructive feedback..
Why doesn't a simple "Thanks for playing" suffice? How to discern between an actually fair/even matched game and a game where one side had been clearly out of their comfort zone if you just go "good game" all the time?
Good sportsmanship also means acknowledging that you only won because you heavily outclassed your rival or got an one-sided advantage in some other way, it's not a simple matter of exchanging polite words while one side has to eat up the frustration, delivering a forced smile with those polite words. It's like the difference between feedback and constructive feedback..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is that belittling your rival? Maybe if you say "LOL GG PWNT".. but "good game" has been around wayyy before the internet existed. It's not crap talking, it's part of every type of competitive game. You should be able to lose and not be sour about it, and you should be able to win without talking crap, no matter the circumstances. If everyone says gg, there is no 'belittling'.. it's simply acknowledgement of a game that happened where one team one and the other lost, and now you go on to round two.
If my team got completely destroyed, and if our commander and everybody else on my team were new, I still say GG. It's just customary. If you can't see it like this, then you play games for a different reason than me. You need to be able to not give a ######, and realize it's all for fun.
If my original post offended you, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude.
It's from StarCraft.
It means the game is over, that you respected your opponents and no one cheated and it was fair and within the rules.
If you don't say it, it means you have a problem with them and are probably an ######/Idra.