Babblers?

SampsonSampson Join Date: 2012-01-06 Member: 139769Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Still planned?</div>I remember ppl voting on what the babbler would look like, however, there has not been any mention of the babbler. Is this still planned? Or did we just quit on this one?
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  • NammNamm Join Date: 2011-12-08 Member: 137116Members
    edited November 2012
    I hope so. Babblers could work as a defensive mid-game counter to especially Shotguns (plenty of damage against a single target won't do you much good if there are a lot of targets). Hopefully upgradable with wings to give jetpackers a hard time. They should be easiliy counterable with the Flamethrower. Not much skill involved perhaps, but requires teching and strategy. Gives a cornered Alien team breathing room.

    Oh, and while I'm already babbling... :) Why not make Alien players in the spawn queue able to take control of a Babbler. You crawl out of the Crag and see the world from the floor level with silly high FOV. If there are no enemies around you can at least run around and spam taunt. When you spawn as a Skulk, the control of the Babbler is returned to the AI that either attacks the nearest enemy or sends it back to the Crag.

    Oh, and if the Khamm can select and have direct control over the Babblers, it should give the Khamm more stuff to do.
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    edited November 2012
    Still planned. In fact I think the full concept art is ready to be sent to the model artists.

    I believe the current line of thinking is for them to be a Gorge ability, with a couple of different modes like attack, escort &c.
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  • phoenixbbsphoenixbbs Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13379Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Subnautica Playtester
    it'd be nice to see a gorge have something with more "bite" than just spit :-)
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  • NammNamm Join Date: 2011-12-08 Member: 137116Members
    A Gorge ability, of course! :)
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  • Dragon-GuardDragon-Guard Join Date: 2011-07-25 Member: 112159Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2037838:date=Nov 30 2012, 02:12 PM:name=Insane)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Insane @ Nov 30 2012, 02:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2037838"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Still planned. In fact I think the full concept art is ready to be sent to the model artists.

    I believe the current line of thinking is for them to be a Gorge ability, with a couple of different modes like attack, escort &c.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Any chance I could get my hands on the modeling sheets?
    I'm a student Graphical Design and we recently got into modeling, which is what I want to try and focus on.

    Would be nice to be able to try my hand on an actual model, see how far I get while I learn Maya and then compare my results to what your modeler came up with to see where I could improve.
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=2037852:date=Nov 30 2012, 01:39 PM:name=Dragon-Guard)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dragon-Guard @ Nov 30 2012, 01:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2037852"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Any chance I could get my hands on the modeling sheets?
    I'm a student Graphical Design and we recently got into modeling, which is what I want to try and focus on.

    Would be nice to be able to try my hand on an actual model, see how far I get while I learn Maya and then compare my results to what your modeler came up with to see where I could improve.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Try e-mailing cory@unknownworlds.com
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  • HusarHusar Join Date: 2012-11-11 Member: 169523Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Excuse me dear ma'ams and sirs but what are bubblers?
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  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    <!--quoteo(post=2037897:date=Nov 30 2012, 06:47 PM:name=Husar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Husar @ Nov 30 2012, 06:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2037897"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Excuse me dear ma'ams and sirs but what are bubblers?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I don't know but sounds good doesn't it?
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  • NammNamm Join Date: 2011-12-08 Member: 137116Members
    edited November 2012
    NS1 Babblers was a Gorge ability that spawned AI controlled placeholder Skulks creatures (like HL1 Snarks). The devs removed them early on: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZzbQR_5_a4" target="_blank">YouTube video of Babblers</a>.

    Concept art for NS2 Babblers:
    <img src="http://nsmanual.do.am/_bl/0/16449968.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • PaniohitusPaniohitus Join Date: 2012-11-09 Member: 168790Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2037903:date=Nov 30 2012, 04:58 PM:name=Namm)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Namm @ Nov 30 2012, 04:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2037903"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NS1 Babblers was a Gorge ability that spawned AI controlled placeholder Skulks creatures (like HL1 Snarks). The devs removed them early on:
    Concept art for NS2 Babblers:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Isn't that a crag?
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  • AWhiteAWhite Join Date: 2007-07-26 Member: 61685Members
    See the little crab-bug crawling out of the top of the Crag? That's the babbler.
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  • OrzOrz Join Date: 2010-03-24 Member: 71069Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2037838:date=Nov 30 2012, 10:12 PM:name=Insane)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Insane @ Nov 30 2012, 10:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2037838"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Still planned. In fact I think the full concept art is ready to be sent to the model artists.

    I believe the current line of thinking is for them to be a Gorge ability, with a couple of different modes like attack, escort &c.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    As opposed to being the Crag's activate-able ability? I thought that's what they always said it was going to be (and the concept art indicates that)

    If it's going to be a Gorge ability (which is still cool, don't get me wrong) then what will the Crag ability be?
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  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Babblers on the Crag was always a weird idea, they're not very defense-themed and seem conceptually very similar to the Shade hallucinate.

    I think it would be great if Gorges could spawn them again. If it's a Hive 3 ability though they would have to be pretty powerful.
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  • Bad MojoBad Mojo Join Date: 2009-05-01 Member: 67317Members
    Babblers should be a Khamm ability. Gorges need more buildings. They already have Bile Bomb
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  • killer monkeykiller monkey Join Date: 2010-02-26 Member: 70743Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Babblers?! All of my yes, ALL OF IT!
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=2037840:date=Nov 30 2012, 01:19 PM:name=phoenixbbs)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phoenixbbs @ Nov 30 2012, 01:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2037840"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->it'd be nice to see a gorge have something with more "bite" than just spit :-)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'd rather see spit hitreg fixed :P
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  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    Unless it's been nerfed, gorge spit is a ranged weapon that does 40 damage... I don't think it needs more bite, just for hitreg to be fixed.

    A well supported gorge in a roadblock (you know, sitting behind a clog wall with some hydras and maybe some crags if lucky) can do a lot of damage if he actually hits the enemy.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Fixed hitreg and lower damage would be a good combo. Unless we want a shotgun Gorge taking out any marine squad by just spitting on them :P
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2038027:date=Nov 30 2012, 03:13 PM:name=Bad Mojo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bad Mojo @ Nov 30 2012, 03:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2038027"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Babblers should be a Khamm ability. Gorges need more buildings. They already have Bile Bomb<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I want babblers to be a hive 3 building that gorges drop. It spawns babblers and makes them run in the direction of anything the gorge hits with spit. They can also have a waypoint set for them by the khamm.

    It would become a system that synergizes between gorge and khammander, and makes turtling up in a marine base a nightmare as you're dealing with constant streams of free AI threats the enemies send at you.
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  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    It would be pretty cool if they were a Gorge structure that worked like swarm hosts: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPlvLb4jBLA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPlvLb4jBLA</a>
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