<!--quoteo(post=2040956:date=Dec 6 2012, 01:26 PM:name=VeNeM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VeNeM @ Dec 6 2012, 01:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040956"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->im outraged that the entire world DOESNT speak ENGLISH
what is the MATTER WITH YOU PPL?!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Build 233 - Removed French
As a French player I understand what you mean. I play on either server has respectable ping and performance. Sometimes a [FR], sometimes not. And I know that we have a tendency to switch to French when we realize that most of us speak it. You have to understand that it makes the communication much easier for us. As EvilKoala said, we are sadly not famous for our natural talent at speaking other languages. I even had other players asked me to stop speaking English. Basically the idea was that it was a French server, so it was expected to speak French. While I do not completely agree, I do understand.
Having played on several servers, I came across German people speaking their own language (even though German people seem usually more eager to switch to English when asked for), and even a server with players insulting each other in Spanish (I think it was insults, my understanding of Spanish is very limited). We have projects to translate the game in various languages, of course people using this will want to speak their language as well. If they have difficulty reading a few words in English you can't expect them to speak English fluently.
In the end: <!--quoteo(post=2040645:date=Dec 6 2012, 01:35 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Dec 6 2012, 01:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040645"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well technically it's their "house", their rules. Can't do much against it...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To conclude let's all go populated those HBZ servers back, where we will all speak <strike>German</strike> English !
People should stick to the language of the server, or at least respect it. If you don't speak French, but are playing on a French server, tough luck. As someone who regularly plays on French servers without speaking a word of French, it's a non-issue. NS2 has multiple ways of conveying what you want / what your comm wants without you needing to understand the language.
<!--quoteo(post=2040949:date=Dec 6 2012, 01:12 PM:name=EvilKoaLa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (EvilKoaLa @ Dec 6 2012, 01:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040949"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As a french server admin ( <b>NS2FRANCE #x</b> ), I can assure you ppl that if one of us is in the comm chair, we first speak french.
If the boys don't seem to understand, we try in English, almost everytime.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It is nice of you that you try speaking English. But I think nobody has the right to demand that the people on a clearly FRENCH server should speak another language.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->BUT : You have to understand and accept that in France, we don't speak english natively, and we don't learn it just by watching Tv or something. Fin's and other guys in Northern Europe speaks english well, because there is a lot of english on their TV, on the street, and ######.
In France, <u><b>everything</b></u> is translated to french.
So don't expect every french player to be able to speak English, and this counts for Spanish guys too.
Majority of ppl on french server does not even speak french correctly, so don't expect them to speak English just for a second :/
Oh, and if some french ppl start talkin in French on your english server, just kick them out.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Here in Germany most things are translated too, though anglicisms made it into our language but aren't an official part of it. I didn't learn English from TV or anything but just in school and improved it by constantly being forced to read, write and listen to stuff in English which I am interested in. Don't the schools in France teach you a second language or are other foreign languages taught? Just curious.
<!--quoteo(post=2040759:date=Dec 6 2012, 07:28 AM:name=dePARA)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dePARA @ Dec 6 2012, 07:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040759"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sad thing is: They are empty most of the time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
D'awww! :D
Most new players pick UWE servers, and thus most 14/16 & 15/16 servers (the servers you wanna join) are UWE servers. I'm sure old dogs that can't learn new tricks will eventually return to trusty HBZ's. :3
Yes Husar, we actually got schools with 2 languages to learn within the end of your studies.
But, on 30 people in the classroom, only 5 or 7 will have good marks/grades, and will be able to speak english correctly when the time comes.
They just don't care.
To be honest, I didn't learn english at school, I did not care neither. I learned it on the internet, by playing with you boys and girlz. I learned Spanish when I lived there for months.
French school actually sucks ( for a lot of things ), especially on these foreign languages.
Oh, and again, they can't speak french correctly neither.
Most new players pick UWE servers, and thus most 14/16 & 15/16 servers (the servers you wanna join) are UWE servers. I'm sure old dogs that can't learn new tricks will eventually return to trusty HBZ's. :3<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The official EU UWE servers look basically like this here:
<!--quoteo(post=2040626:date=Dec 5 2012, 07:10 PM:name=JediPhreaK)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JediPhreaK @ Dec 5 2012, 07:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040626"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->..... English is the language of Computers and the Internet.....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=2040990:date=Dec 6 2012, 02:42 PM:name=EvilKoaLa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (EvilKoaLa @ Dec 6 2012, 02:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040990"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes Husar, we actually got schools with 2 languages to learn within the end of your studies.
But, on 30 people in the classroom, only 5 or 7 will have good marks/grades, and will be able to speak english correctly when the time comes.
They just don't care.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is a disappointing attitude. I guess that is why some people get a vibe of "arrogance" from French people unwilling to learn another language.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To be honest, I didn't learn english at school, I did not care neither. I learned it on the internet, by playing with you boys and girlz. I learned Spanish when I lived there for months.
French school actually sucks ( for a lot of things ), especially on these foreign languages.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is even worse. If the schooling system doesn't motivate their students and doesn't teach them how important communication is, than the students don't see any use in learning another language. I don't now how long in France students are thought English in school, maybe thats the problem. I learned English in school for 8 years. Though you have to keep in mind I was in a secondary school in Germany which needs the longest time to finish: the "Gymnasium".
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh, and again, they can't speak french correctly neither.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh, do you think it is any different on some German severs. It is even WORSE. On some few German servers there are people talking about sh*t, about their daily life or just having fun insulting each other on the same team. Though the insults are not really meant seriously but are more used in a funny manner it is not contributing to the game and is childish and F*CKING annoying. And the best part is when a player asks for English communication he is being insulted in German language. Those scumbags were hiding behind their language though they CAN speak English. It was up to me to explain that this was a German server. It is embarrassing and I wish I could b*tch slap those retards over TCP/IP! But luckily it seems to be a small minority. So therefor I avoid German servers for now and rarely join them. My best gaming experience is on British servers (or was it servers with Brits?), damn, you got to love that accent. Killing aliens like a Sir. They have really good Commanders and gamers, who talk a lot and contribute to the gameplay experience. Best experience so far.
<!--quoteo(post=2041014:date=Dec 6 2012, 07:44 AM:name=Husar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Husar @ Dec 6 2012, 07:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041014"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is a disappointing attitude. I guess that is why some people get a vibe of "arrogance" from French people unwilling to learn another language.
That is even worse. If the schooling system doesn't motivate their students and doesn't teach them how important communication is, than the students don't see any use in learning another language. I don't now how long in France students are thought English in school, maybe thats the problem. I learned English in school for 8 years. Though you have to keep in mind I was in a secondary school in Germany which needs the longest time to finish: the "Gymnasium".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The United States has the same problem really. This isn't isolated to France. The biggest issue is immersion into the language which doesn't happen here in the states and I would assume the same is true in France. If you aren't constantly hearing the language you aren't going to use it or even want to learn it.
<!--quoteo(post=2041022:date=Dec 6 2012, 04:10 PM:name=Industry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Industry @ Dec 6 2012, 04:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041022"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The United States has the same problem really. This isn't isolated to France. The biggest issue is immersion into the language which doesn't happen here in the states and I would assume the same is true in France. If you aren't constantly hearing the language you aren't going to use it or even want to learn it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My experience taught me that if we are quite unsuccessful at speaking other languages, our situation is far from being the worst. The U.S. case in particular is nothing better than ours on the topic. But then again our language is not perceived as the universal (it's not the 18th century anymore :D).
We are actually being taught several languages at school, most of the time English + German/Spanish/Italian. I'm not sure it's the school system fault that we are not able to speak these languages once we were taught them. However I do blame at lot the entertainment industry a lot. Imho NOT translating games, books and especially movies and TV shows would be the best way make people learn English. Hell lots of people will tell you that's the way they learnt, and boy do we get tons of American content given to us through these medium. I am all for original versions with subtitles, but who am I to make these declarations of a video game forum anyway.
<!--quoteo(post=2041022:date=Dec 6 2012, 04:10 PM:name=Industry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Industry @ Dec 6 2012, 04:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041022"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The United States has the same problem really. This isn't isolated to France. The biggest issue is immersion into the language which doesn't happen here in the states and I would assume the same is true in France. If you aren't constantly hearing the language you aren't going to use it or even want to learn it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's not true, half my country (Belgium) speaks French... nobody from our parts can it well and we all just hate French... :(
<!--quoteo(post=2041022:date=Dec 6 2012, 04:10 PM:name=Industry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Industry @ Dec 6 2012, 04:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041022"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The United States has the same problem really. This isn't isolated to France. The biggest issue is immersion into the language which doesn't happen here in the states and I would assume the same is true in France. If you aren't constantly hearing the language you aren't going to use it or even want to learn it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is true. Using English on a daily basis keeps my English skills on a constant level. But someone said here that English is the language of the internet. I have to agree since when it comes down to communicate between different nations English is the smallest common denominator. It is of course no wonder that an American or Brit is using constantly English. But why aren't Frenchmen equally forced to use English like Germans and therefor get used to it? Or is it just my imagination?
It's all about being open to a different language. Some countries dub every single movie/serie in their language, while other countries only use subtitles. The former is a mix of stubborn chauvinism and laziness. The latter can do wonders to help people learn a different language. It goes both ways though. If you're playing on french server, accept the fact that most people will speak french.
<!--quoteo(post=2040772:date=Dec 6 2012, 04:57 AM:name=xxswatelitexx)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xxswatelitexx @ Dec 6 2012, 04:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040772"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So if you want the language with the most number of people who would understand you, you obviously should argue for Chinese instead :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No? Mandarin has the most number of native speakers at around a billion but not many non-native speakers at around 300 million, the total number of English speakers native and non-native are around 1.5 billion.
Also segregating the already small community would just destroy the game. As of writing this post there are a total of 885 players and you wish to break them down to three or four groups?
OP. People keep saying their server their rules, and while this is true it is irrelevant to the topic. He is just asking people to do him a favour, no or yes is pretty simple.
<!--quoteo(post=2041031:date=Dec 6 2012, 08:25 AM:name=Ender_74)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ender_74 @ Dec 6 2012, 08:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041031"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My experience taught me that if we are quite unsuccessful at speaking other languages, our situation is far from being the worst. The U.S. case in particular is nothing better than ours on the topic. But then again our language is not perceived as the universal (it's not the 18th century anymore :D).
We are actually being taught several languages at school, most of the time English + German/Spanish/Italian. I'm not sure it's the school system fault that we are not able to speak these languages once we were taught them. However I do blame at lot the entertainment industry a lot. Imho NOT translating games, books and especially movies and TV shows would be the best way make people learn English. Hell lots of people will tell you that's the way they learnt, and boy do we get tons of American content given to us through these medium. I am all for original versions with subtitles, but who am I to make these declarations of a video game forum anyway.
To be honest the only reason in my mind that English is seen as the language of the internet is that the primary export of the US is our culture and coupled with that is the primary language we speak. This is why in Japan and Korea for example, when you listen to pop music you hear seemingly random English phrases and words. It really is an interesting phenomenon.
Back on the real topic: I think it is completely fine that people want to speak in their native tongue. It is far more comfortable. However, being that NS2 is extremely teamwork oriented they need to keep in mind that with an international community it is important to bridge the communication gap. Sadly, this is mostly easily done by speaking a common language which in this case is most likely to be English.
English bullies who think they are entitled to tell others what language to speak. This is why I always have my music on and ignore these internet bullies. Frankly, I don't care if you speak Russian, French, German over the mic has long as you know how to play that's what matters. When I have my music on I actually have a better time than hearing these English speaking bullies always putting down others. I speak 3 languages maybe you should learn a 2nd language it doesn't hurt you.
<!--quoteo(post=2040759:date=Dec 6 2012, 05:28 AM:name=dePARA)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dePARA @ Dec 6 2012, 05:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040759"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[...] One reason is, the HBZ servers are the oldest NS2 servers in the EU with many beta players playing on them. Sad thing is: They are empty most of the time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> And yet mostly every evening i cant get to play on them as they are full :(
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=2041031:date=Dec 6 2012, 03:25 PM:name=Ender_74)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ender_74 @ Dec 6 2012, 03:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041031"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->However I do blame at lot the entertainment industry a lot. Imho NOT translating games, books and especially movies and TV shows would be the best way make people learn English.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I basically learned English (and German) watching cartoons in their original language when I was little, kids have this thing where they tend to pick up language much faster then below the age of ~10, but currently ALL kids stuff is being translated into Dutch and I've noticed that kids these days have a hard time with English. Very bad development with the translating of the stuff :(
Better play on german servers! We are very good english speakers. Just look at the person who represents us in the EU government, we are very proud of competent politicians like him!
<!--quoteo(post=2041080:date=Dec 6 2012, 06:32 PM:name=countbasie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (countbasie @ Dec 6 2012, 06:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041080"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Better play on german servers! We are very good english speakers. Just look at the person who represents us in the EU government, we are very proud of competent politicians like him!
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOO7Ut1P4Y" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOO7Ut1P4Y</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL, I knew what video it is before I klicked it. xD Sis is wery funny.
<!--quoteo(post=2041014:date=Dec 6 2012, 03:44 PM:name=Husar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Husar @ Dec 6 2012, 03:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041014"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is a disappointing attitude. I guess that is why some people get a vibe of "arrogance" from French people unwilling to learn another language.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh yeah, i'm sure americans kids take their french classes very seriously and are all able to communicate perfectly after graduating from highschool.
Ok, so being born in a country that just happens to primarily speak the Lingua Franka of the world (IE, you haven't actually done anything of value to anyone) DOES NOT give you the right to tell someone else what language they can speak on the server they BOUGHT AND PAID FOR with their own money.
It's one thing if you want to run your own server and tell others to exclusively speak English there, stay the hell off of other people's turf though.
<!--quoteo(post=2041261:date=Dec 7 2012, 01:11 AM:name=Soulfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Soulfighter @ Dec 7 2012, 01:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2041261"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh yeah, i'm sure americans kids take their french classes very seriously and are all able to communicate perfectly after graduating from highschool.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't know what American kids do but I took my French lessons seriously. My French was good back than but now it is almost gone because I didn't use it for a long time. I guess I would forget the Russian language (my mother tongue) completely if it wasn't for my parents and relatives. So it is with my English, if it wasn't for the internet my English would fade out. But since English is so important to communicate with different people around the world I improve and use it on a daily basis. I didn't say that you need to "communicate perfectly" in a foreign language, you are exaggerating. And I mainly compared the Germans with the French because they have both to learn English, which is in <b>MY PERSONAL OPINION</b> the smallest common denominator if it comes to communicate between different nations.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Give me a break.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Feel free to take one if you need it. ;)
Sometimes it's nice to play on a french server (or russian). You don't have a glue what are they talking about, like listening Glingons or Goa'ulds voice all the time. Real scifi :). Makes some diffuculty.
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what is the MATTER WITH YOU PPL?!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Build 233
- Removed French
As a French player I understand what you mean. I play on either server has respectable ping and performance. Sometimes a [FR], sometimes not. And I know that we have a tendency to switch to French when we realize that most of us speak it. You have to understand that it makes the communication much easier for us. As EvilKoala said, we are sadly not famous for our natural talent at speaking other languages. I even had other players asked me to stop speaking English. Basically the idea was that it was a French server, so it was expected to speak French. While I do not completely agree, I do understand.
Having played on several servers, I came across German people speaking their own language (even though German people seem usually more eager to switch to English when asked for), and even a server with players insulting each other in Spanish (I think it was insults, my understanding of Spanish is very limited).
We have projects to translate the game in various languages, of course people using this will want to speak their language as well. If they have difficulty reading a few words in English you can't expect them to speak English fluently.
In the end:
<!--quoteo(post=2040645:date=Dec 6 2012, 01:35 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Dec 6 2012, 01:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2040645"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well technically it's their "house", their rules. Can't do much against it...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To conclude let's all go populated those HBZ servers back, where we will all speak <strike>German</strike> English !
- Removed French<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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well played sir well played
If the boys don't seem to understand, we try in English, almost everytime.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is nice of you that you try speaking English. But I think nobody has the right to demand that the people on a clearly FRENCH server should speak another language.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->BUT : You have to understand and accept that in France, we don't speak english natively, and we don't learn it just by watching Tv or something. Fin's and other guys in Northern Europe speaks english well, because there is a lot of english on their TV, on the street, and ######.
In France, <u><b>everything</b></u> is translated to french.
So don't expect every french player to be able to speak English, and this counts for Spanish guys too.
Majority of ppl on french server does not even speak french correctly, so don't expect them to speak English just for a second :/
Oh, and if some french ppl start talkin in French on your english server, just kick them out.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here in Germany most things are translated too, though anglicisms made it into our language but aren't an official part of it. I didn't learn English from TV or anything but just in school and improved it by constantly being forced to read, write and listen to stuff in English which I am interested in. Don't the schools in France teach you a second language or are other foreign languages taught? Just curious.
D'awww! :D
Most new players pick UWE servers, and thus most 14/16 & 15/16 servers (the servers you wanna join) are UWE servers. I'm sure old dogs that can't learn new tricks will eventually return to trusty HBZ's. :3
But, on 30 people in the classroom, only 5 or 7 will have good marks/grades, and will be able to speak english correctly when the time comes.
They just don't care.
To be honest, I didn't learn english at school, I did not care neither. I learned it on the internet, by playing with you boys and girlz.
I learned Spanish when I lived there for months.
French school actually sucks ( for a lot of things ), especially on these foreign languages.
Oh, and again, they can't speak french correctly neither.
Most new players pick UWE servers, and thus most 14/16 & 15/16 servers (the servers you wanna join) are UWE servers. I'm sure old dogs that can't learn new tricks will eventually return to trusty HBZ's. :3<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The official EU UWE servers look basically like this here:
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/SZhMm.jpg?1" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/SZhMm.jpg?1</a>
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/Pk6JN.jpg?1" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/Pk6JN.jpg?1</a>
lol
But, on 30 people in the classroom, only 5 or 7 will have good marks/grades, and will be able to speak english correctly when the time comes.
They just don't care.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is a disappointing attitude. I guess that is why some people get a vibe of "arrogance" from French people unwilling to learn another language.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To be honest, I didn't learn english at school, I did not care neither. I learned it on the internet, by playing with you boys and girlz.
I learned Spanish when I lived there for months.
French school actually sucks ( for a lot of things ), especially on these foreign languages.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is even worse. If the schooling system doesn't motivate their students and doesn't teach them how important communication is, than the students don't see any use in learning another language.
I don't now how long in France students are thought English in school, maybe thats the problem. I learned English in school for 8 years. Though you have to keep in mind I was in a secondary school in Germany which needs the longest time to finish: the "Gymnasium".
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh, and again, they can't speak french correctly neither.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, do you think it is any different on some German severs. It is even WORSE. On some few German servers there are people talking about sh*t, about their daily life or just having fun insulting each other on the same team. Though the insults are not really meant seriously but are more used in a funny manner it is not contributing to the game and is childish and F*CKING annoying. And the best part is when a player asks for English communication he is being insulted in German language. Those scumbags were hiding behind their language though they CAN speak English. It was up to me to explain that this was a German server. It is embarrassing and I wish I could b*tch slap those retards over TCP/IP! But luckily it seems to be a small minority. So therefor I avoid German servers for now and rarely join them.
My best gaming experience is on British servers (or was it servers with Brits?), damn, you got to love that accent. Killing aliens like a Sir. They have really good Commanders and gamers, who talk a lot and contribute to the gameplay experience. Best experience so far.
That is even worse. If the schooling system doesn't motivate their students and doesn't teach them how important communication is, than the students don't see any use in learning another language.
I don't now how long in France students are thought English in school, maybe thats the problem. I learned English in school for 8 years. Though you have to keep in mind I was in a secondary school in Germany which needs the longest time to finish: the "Gymnasium".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The United States has the same problem really. This isn't isolated to France. The biggest issue is immersion into the language which doesn't happen here in the states and I would assume the same is true in France. If you aren't constantly hearing the language you aren't going to use it or even want to learn it.
My experience taught me that if we are quite unsuccessful at speaking other languages, our situation is far from being the worst. The U.S. case in particular is nothing better than ours on the topic. But then again our language is not perceived as the universal (it's not the 18th century anymore :D).
We are actually being taught several languages at school, most of the time English + German/Spanish/Italian. I'm not sure it's the school system fault that we are not able to speak these languages once we were taught them.
However I do blame at lot the entertainment industry a lot. Imho NOT translating games, books and especially movies and TV shows would be the best way make people learn English. Hell lots of people will tell you that's the way they learnt, and boy do we get tons of American content given to us through these medium. I am all for original versions with subtitles, but who am I to make these declarations of a video game forum anyway.
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That's not true, half my country (Belgium) speaks French... nobody from our parts can it well and we all just hate French... :(
That is true. Using English on a daily basis keeps my English skills on a constant level. But someone said here that English is the language of the internet. I have to agree since when it comes down to communicate between different nations English is the smallest common denominator. It is of course no wonder that an American or Brit is using constantly English. But why aren't Frenchmen equally forced to use English like Germans and therefor get used to it? Or is it just my imagination?
No? Mandarin has the most number of native speakers at around a billion but not many non-native speakers at around 300 million, the total number of English speakers native and non-native are around 1.5 billion.
Also segregating the already small community would just destroy the game. As of writing this post there are a total of 885 players and you wish to break them down to three or four groups?
OP. People keep saying their server their rules, and while this is true it is irrelevant to the topic. He is just asking people to do him a favour, no or yes is pretty simple.
We are actually being taught several languages at school, most of the time English + German/Spanish/Italian. I'm not sure it's the school system fault that we are not able to speak these languages once we were taught them.
However I do blame at lot the entertainment industry a lot. Imho NOT translating games, books and especially movies and TV shows would be the best way make people learn English. Hell lots of people will tell you that's the way they learnt, and boy do we get tons of American content given to us through these medium. I am all for original versions with subtitles, but who am I to make these declarations of a video game forum anyway.
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To be honest the only reason in my mind that English is seen as the language of the internet is that the primary export of the US is our culture and coupled with that is the primary language we speak. This is why in Japan and Korea for example, when you listen to pop music you hear seemingly random English phrases and words. It really is an interesting phenomenon.
Back on the real topic: I think it is completely fine that people want to speak in their native tongue. It is far more comfortable. However, being that NS2 is extremely teamwork oriented they need to keep in mind that with an international community it is important to bridge the communication gap. Sadly, this is mostly easily done by speaking a common language which in this case is most likely to be English.
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And yet mostly every evening i cant get to play on them as they are full :(
I basically learned English (and German) watching cartoons in their original language when I was little, kids have this thing where they tend to pick up language much faster then below the age of ~10, but currently ALL kids stuff is being translated into Dutch and I've noticed that kids these days have a hard time with English. Very bad development with the translating of the stuff :(
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LOL, I knew what video it is before I klicked it. xD
Sis is wery funny.
Oh yeah, i'm sure americans kids take their french classes very seriously and are all able to communicate perfectly after graduating from highschool.
Give me a break.
It's one thing if you want to run your own server and tell others to exclusively speak English there, stay the hell off of other people's turf though.
I don't know what American kids do but I took my French lessons seriously. My French was good back than but now it is almost gone because I didn't use it for a long time. I guess I would forget the Russian language (my mother tongue) completely if it wasn't for my parents and relatives. So it is with my English, if it wasn't for the internet my English would fade out. But since English is so important to communicate with different people around the world I improve and use it on a daily basis.
I didn't say that you need to "communicate perfectly" in a foreign language, you are exaggerating. And I mainly compared the Germans with the French because they have both to learn English, which is in <b>MY PERSONAL OPINION</b> the smallest common denominator if it comes to communicate between different nations.
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Feel free to take one if you need it. ;)
It's your own fault if you join French servers.
But Frenglish is a good compromise : "go" "please" "hive" "res" "base", etc. are pretty much understandable for everyone.
If you know how to speak English, try to speak it. It's generally the best international language.