Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=2051471:date=Dec 26 2012, 07:54 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 26 2012, 07:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051471"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because people get butthurt when this happens.
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Up against the wall Syknik, hands where I can see em! I'm confiscating your mouse! You we're justly kicked though, threatening people with that aim :P
<!--quoteo(post=2051471:date=Dec 26 2012, 12:54 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 26 2012, 12:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051471"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because people get butthurt when this happens.
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/5l2Kx.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why still armor 0 and only weapons 1 though?
<!--quoteo(post=2051471:date=Dec 26 2012, 02:54 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 26 2012, 02:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051471"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because people get butthurt when this happens.
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.
<!--quoteo(post=2051471:date=Dec 26 2012, 02:54 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 26 2012, 02:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051471"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because people get butthurt when this happens.
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.
<!--quoteo(post=2051476:date=Dec 26 2012, 12:03 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 26 2012, 12:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051476"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because we aren't 6 minutes into the game yet? :o<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wonder if you would have been kicked if you were on aliens with that score? See that would actually push me to try and kill you more.
I have 785 hours played. I have a new computer, where I get about 80-100fps, sometimes it dips to about 60 if there's heavy fire, if the server is acting up it can go lower to about 35-50. No scripts, macros, the only thing I have changed was the crosshair.
If I was on aliens I highly doubt I would get kicked. I've done just as well on aliens before and was never kicked, if anything someone would accuse me of cheating and the rest of the alien team would tell them to shut up that i'm just good.
So people definitely do not like marines with high scores.
<!--quoteo(post=2051314:date=Dec 26 2012, 09:05 AM:name=VittuLima)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VittuLima @ Dec 26 2012, 09:05 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051314"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As marine gameplay stays fun even tho u are losing, but as aliens u just want to get into new game asap and skip the spawncamp, hiding in vents, waiting for the end phase.
What's with the marine bias, imo marines win much more games than aliens in pubs. Alien play reguires way more skill than marine, its been like this since the NS1. Nooblien is practically useless to alien team and is just eating egg supply but noob marine is often getting lucky kills here and there and doesnt really stress infantry portals that much, just point and press mouse1.
Now expecially because there are so much new players, marines tend to win way more games because: noob marine > noob alien. Im kinda even happy when i see aliens win when im playing marine because they definitely deserve it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
" Why do people rage/hack accuse when the marine team does well? "
Only speaking for myself, but sometimes the combined sound-terror of our screaming last Hive, ARC's, and shotguns, plus dual-wielding Exo's, make me rage-quit :-\ It's not the feeling of being powerless...as long as I have teeth, I'll bite. And as long as we have bile-bomb (I only play Alien), I keep hitting the exo's and mac's while healing hive, eggs and upgrades whenever I have some energy left. And suppose we manage to get 1 Onos into the end-battle, I'll forget everything and join him as gorge, in a last attempt to turn the tides.
But if our remaining eggs are getting killed 1 by 1, it just gets to boring, and to loud on top of that. Must be my age XD So I go F4, for some snowball fun.
<!--quoteo(post=2051471:date=Dec 26 2012, 03:54 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 26 2012, 03:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051471"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because people get butthurt when this happens.
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.
^ really? I haven't experienced the quick f4 that I read about on the forums. It seems the NS2 crowd is less likely to f4 preferring to draw out games than the crowd in ns1. After 10 years, everyone understood when it was time to f4 unless they wanted to be a thorn in the side of the opposite team or turtle troll.
<!--quoteo(post=2051407:date=Dec 26 2012, 10:42 AM:name=Kopikat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kopikat @ Dec 26 2012, 10:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051407"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your math is off. It only takes two Bile Bombs to kill as many MACs as are within range.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that happens when you have so many numbers going through your head. I forgot the damage over time portion when I got to MAC killing. You're right. But it would take 6 seconds, and both direct hits.
<!--quoteo(post=2051463:date=Dec 26 2012, 12:44 PM:name=bongofish)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bongofish @ Dec 26 2012, 12:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051463"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You need to understand how statistics work before you tell people to stop using numbers. You don't need a 100% sample rate to make some very mathematically sound arguments. This is why polls that only interview 1000 people out of 300 million can still be ridiculously accurate.
So if you have counter-proof, the burden is on you to provide it.
Except you can't. Because it doesn't exist.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are plenty of servers, and I would estimate the amount of servers on NS2 with NS2Stats to be below 30%. That is not a large enough sample size.
Believe it or not, I did, indeed, graduate high school.
So until either more servers use NS2Stats, or UWE publishes some of the stats they have access to, we don't have a sufficient sample size to go on.
EDIT: I do not have exact numbers on how many servers have NS2Stats compared to those that don't. I am going by the sample size that I have played on. Very few of them have had NS2Stats. It is my personal opinion that the sample size for NS2Stats is nowhere near high enough.
EDIT: Three whips with bombard may not counter exos after all. The flinching animation messes with their aim. Tried shooting a whip with bombard while it tried to hit me. It got one shot off that did 92 damage out of its 240 damage. Ouch.
<!--quoteo(post=2051724:date=Dec 27 2012, 03:48 AM:name=Timarius)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Timarius @ Dec 27 2012, 03:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051724"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There are plenty of servers, and I would estimate the amount of servers on NS2 with NS2Stats to be below 30%. That is not a large enough sample size.
Believe it or not, I did, indeed, graduate high school.
So until either more servers use NS2Stats, or UWE publishes some of the stats they have access to, we don't have a sufficient sample size to go on.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
UWE coming out and giving the w/l stats? Hasn't this happened on numerous accounts? And your math behind the number of ns2 servers using ns2stats is wrong. When you take into account the servers getting the majority of the games played and the in-activeness of some servers not using ns2stats compared to the active servers that do. NS2Stats is actually a very decent sample size to get your information from.
Either way, it is a well known fact (whether you like it or not) that for the last few patches aliens have won a majority of the time. I'm not going to say what exactly that win/loss ratio is since I don't want you to have a cow, but that is as I said well known.
<!--quoteo(post=2051724:date=Dec 27 2012, 01:48 AM:name=Timarius)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Timarius @ Dec 27 2012, 01:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051724"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There are plenty of servers, and I would estimate the amount of servers on NS2 with NS2Stats to be below 30%. That is not a large enough sample size.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Claims 30% of all servers doesnt represent a valid sample.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->EDIT: I do not have exact numbers on how many servers have NS2Stats compared to those that don't. I am going by the sample size that I have played on. Very few of them have had NS2Stats. It is my personal opinion that the sample size for NS2Stats is nowhere near high enough.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Admits that his value of 30% comes from an even smaller sample.
<!--quoteo(post=2051525:date=Dec 26 2012, 10:58 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 26 2012, 10:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051525"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To all of those who replied:
I have 785 hours played. I have a new computer, where I get about 80-100fps, sometimes it dips to about 60 if there's heavy fire, if the server is acting up it can go lower to about 35-50. No scripts, macros, the only thing I have changed was the crosshair.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Playing top tier NS1 doesn't hurt one bit either. You've been able to use a lot of that 785 hours to readjust old skills and habits into a new environment.
<!--quoteo(post=2051731:date=Dec 27 2012, 12:02 PM:name=Side1Bu2Rnz9)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Side1Bu2Rnz9 @ Dec 27 2012, 12:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051731"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->UWE coming out and giving the w/l stats? Hasn't this happened on numerous accounts? And your math behind the number of ns2 servers using ns2stats is wrong. When you take into account the servers getting the majority of the games played and the in-activeness of some servers not using ns2stats compared to the active servers that do. NS2Stats is actually a very decent sample size to get your information from.
Either way, it is a well known fact (whether you like it or not) that for the last few patches aliens have won a majority of the time. I'm not going to say what exactly that win/loss ratio is since I don't want you to have a cow, but that is as I said well known.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flying unicorns are also a well known fact. Pls cut the bull###### and show the proof. From what i've seen marines win the majority of games hands down.
<!--quoteo(post=2051833:date=Dec 27 2012, 06:31 AM:name=VittuLima)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VittuLima @ Dec 27 2012, 06:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051833"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pls cut the bull###### and show the proof.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=2051833:date=Dec 27 2012, 06:31 AM:name=VittuLima)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VittuLima @ Dec 27 2012, 06:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051833"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>From what i've seen</b> marines win the majority of games hands down.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> surely you realize how silly these two statements are in the same post ?
<!--quoteo(post=2051835:date=Dec 27 2012, 04:35 PM:name=Gliss)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gliss @ Dec 27 2012, 04:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051835"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->surely you realize how silly these two statements are in the same post ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No? I've been speaking about my experience whole time and he has been quoting non existent statistics?
<!--quoteo(post=2051837:date=Dec 27 2012, 09:40 AM:name=VittuLima)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VittuLima @ Dec 27 2012, 09:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051837"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No? I've been speaking about my experience whole time and he has been quoting non existent statistics?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your experience is an aberration. The FACT is that aliens currently win more. There is NO debate on this. You can continue to argue but it is pointless and makes you appear foolish.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=2051835:date=Dec 27 2012, 02:35 PM:name=Gliss)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gliss @ Dec 27 2012, 02:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051835"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->surely you realize how silly these two statements are in the same post ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Unicorns! <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/youreallwrong.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Rounds played on those "stats" server range from 120-511 per day. Average game lasts 15 minutes, that's 96 rounds in 24 hours single server, with quick math there is 1-6 active servers from a hundreads using these.
When u push the servers button tho it shows plenty of servers. But u can see 90% of the servers using these "stats" havent had a round played in days or weeks, so they are dead servers. So we have only a couple of active servers producing these "stats" and we have no idea who play there and do good players tend to stack aliens etc.
Most active server is some russian which had last round 2 hours ago, second active is some american which had last round 14 HOURS AGO. These "statistics" are a joke. What we have here is very unreliable "stats" from small group of players with a small sample size.
<!--quoteo(post=2051892:date=Dec 27 2012, 12:01 PM:name=VittuLima)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VittuLima @ Dec 27 2012, 12:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051892"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Rounds played on those "stats" server range from 120-511 per day. Average game lasts 15 minutes, that's 96 rounds in 24 hours single server, with quick math there is 1-6 active servers from a hundreads using these.
When u push the servers button tho it shows plenty of servers. But u can see 90% of the servers using these "stats" havent had a round played in days or weeks, so they are dead servers. So we have only a couple of active servers producing these "stats" and we have no idea who play there and do good players tend to stack aliens etc.
Most active server is some russian which had last round 2 hours ago, second active is some american which had last round 14 HOURS AGO. These "statistics" are a joke. What we have here is very unreliable "stats" from small group of players with a small sample size.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As opposed to your anecdotal evidence?
You are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. The ns2stats.org is a fair sample size. The data pulled from it echos my experiences, and those of many others. Your statements do not.
<!--quoteo(post=2051894:date=Dec 27 2012, 07:05 PM:name=MMZ_Torak)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MMZ_Torak @ Dec 27 2012, 07:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051894"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As opposed to your anecdotal evidence?
You are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. The ns2stats.org is a fair sample size. The data pulled from it echos my experiences, and those of many others. Your statements do not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I have never said my personal experiences are evidence, they are my opinion, and they as valid as any opinion of others here. Those stats aren't even close to evidence, top 5% of those servers are near death and rest 95% are completely dead. small sample sizes, dead servers. Hell half of those "stats" might be from 2 iraqi kids dueling whole day on some dead server.
I cannot fathom how easily you are entertained if you're rocking a 40/1 score and still choose to stay on that server. The only source of delight at that point must be the anguish of your fellow players, and caring that much for the attention of those unknowns is, to me at least, unfathomable.
There's greenies there, for Gods sake.
At that point, I either change server or go Gorge or comm.
Search long enough and anyone will find a server to dominate in, as will anyone find a server to get dominated in. (As a general truth, unless you're friggin' Rapha or something...)
<!--quoteo(post=2051902:date=Dec 27 2012, 12:24 PM:name=VittuLima)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VittuLima @ Dec 27 2012, 12:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051902"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hell half of those "stats" might be from 2 iraqi kids dueling whole day on some dead server.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Those same "iraqi kids" could be playing as aliens against you; hence your winning percentages.
<!--quoteo(post=2051790:date=Dec 27 2012, 05:06 AM:name=Hunter.S.T.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hunter.S.T. @ Dec 27 2012, 05:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051790"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Claims 30% of all servers doesnt represent a valid sample.
Admits that his value of 30% comes from an even smaller sample.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My value of 30% was estimated based on looking at the server list. The only problem with this is that I limit it to servers below 120 ping.
Also, there's more to it than wins and losses, anyway.
<!--quoteo(post=2051872:date=Dec 27 2012, 09:19 AM:name=bongofish)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bongofish @ Dec 27 2012, 09:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051872"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your experience is an aberration. The FACT is that aliens currently win more. There is NO debate on this. You can continue to argue but it is pointless and makes you appear foolish.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now why don't we get into the important thing that isn't shown by NS2Stats... WHY do aliens win more? But everyone is content to slam the nerf hammer onto the alien team again without really looking deeper into the problem other than "aliens are winning more".
EDIT: Let's also remember the huge rookie influxes that pad these stats.
But enough of this, I'm going back on topic.
I say it again, the reason aliens get angry and leave is because when marines are doing better than them, it quite literally takes away their ability to play the game. Long respawn times, corridors that you can't get down to even get one hit on the enemy, players that know all of the hiding spots, getting one shot, shotguns, egg lock... there are so many frustrating things about playing the alien team.
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Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Up against the wall Syknik, hands where I can see em! I'm confiscating your mouse! You we're justly kicked though, threatening people with that aim :P
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.
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Why still armor 0 and only weapons 1 though?
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.
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Whoa. Can't blame them for wanting you to leave. You were pretty much completely destroying any semblance of game balance all by yourself.
How much of the difference is practice, better gaming rig, scripts?
There's no way you could get a score like that getting the 10fps I often get in combat.
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.
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That's like 1 kill every 11 seconds. Not bad. The other team must have been rolling in a train or something though and deserved that.
I wonder if you would have been kicked if you were on aliens with that score? See that would actually push me to try and kill you more.
I have 785 hours played.
I have a new computer, where I get about 80-100fps, sometimes it dips to about 60 if there's heavy fire, if the server is acting up it can go lower to about 35-50.
No scripts, macros, the only thing I have changed was the crosshair.
If I was on aliens I highly doubt I would get kicked. I've done just as well on aliens before and was never kicked, if anything someone would accuse me of cheating and the rest of the alien team would tell them to shut up that i'm just good.
So people definitely do not like marines with high scores.
What's with the marine bias, imo marines win much more games than aliens in pubs. Alien play reguires way more skill than marine, its been like this since the NS1. Nooblien is practically useless to alien team and is just eating egg supply but noob marine is often getting lucky kills here and there and doesnt really stress infantry portals that much, just point and press mouse1.
Now expecially because there are so much new players, marines tend to win way more games because: noob marine > noob alien. Im kinda even happy when i see aliens win when im playing marine because they definitely deserve it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not convinced we're playing the same game...
Only speaking for myself, but sometimes the combined sound-terror of our screaming last Hive, ARC's, and shotguns, plus dual-wielding Exo's, make me rage-quit :-\
It's not the feeling of being powerless...as long as I have teeth, I'll bite.
And as long as we have bile-bomb (I only play Alien), I keep hitting the exo's and mac's while healing hive, eggs and upgrades whenever I have some energy left.
And suppose we manage to get 1 Onos into the end-battle, I'll forget everything and join him as gorge, in a last attempt to turn the tides.
But if our remaining eggs are getting killed 1 by 1, it just gets to boring, and to loud on top of that.
Must be my age XD
So I go F4, for some snowball fun.
Taken about 20 minutes ago, I think I ended up going 50:1 ish then I was kicked from the server saying that I was going to make everyone leave the server, good times.
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Finding a server where everyone didn't instantly gg/F4/quit at the first sign of difficulty is more impressive than the stats... :(
"I lost, but instead of admitting that, I'll just ###### and complain because I believe I'm better than you. Always."
Yeah, that happens when you have so many numbers going through your head. I forgot the damage over time portion when I got to MAC killing. You're right. But it would take 6 seconds, and both direct hits.
<!--quoteo(post=2051463:date=Dec 26 2012, 12:44 PM:name=bongofish)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bongofish @ Dec 26 2012, 12:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051463"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You need to understand how statistics work before you tell people to stop using numbers. You don't need a 100% sample rate to make some very mathematically sound arguments. This is why polls that only interview 1000 people out of 300 million can still be ridiculously accurate.
So if you have counter-proof, the burden is on you to provide it.
Except you can't. Because it doesn't exist.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are plenty of servers, and I would estimate the amount of servers on NS2 with NS2Stats to be below 30%. That is not a large enough sample size.
Believe it or not, I did, indeed, graduate high school.
So until either more servers use NS2Stats, or UWE publishes some of the stats they have access to, we don't have a sufficient sample size to go on.
EDIT: I do not have exact numbers on how many servers have NS2Stats compared to those that don't. I am going by the sample size that I have played on. Very few of them have had NS2Stats. It is my personal opinion that the sample size for NS2Stats is nowhere near high enough.
EDIT: Three whips with bombard may not counter exos after all. The flinching animation messes with their aim. Tried shooting a whip with bombard while it tried to hit me. It got one shot off that did 92 damage out of its 240 damage. Ouch.
Believe it or not, I did, indeed, graduate high school.
So until either more servers use NS2Stats, or UWE publishes some of the stats they have access to, we don't have a sufficient sample size to go on.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
UWE coming out and giving the w/l stats? Hasn't this happened on numerous accounts? And your math behind the number of ns2 servers using ns2stats is wrong. When you take into account the servers getting the majority of the games played and the in-activeness of some servers not using ns2stats compared to the active servers that do. NS2Stats is actually a very decent sample size to get your information from.
Either way, it is a well known fact (whether you like it or not) that for the last few patches aliens have won a majority of the time. I'm not going to say what exactly that win/loss ratio is since I don't want you to have a cow, but that is as I said well known.
Claims 30% of all servers doesnt represent a valid sample.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->EDIT: I do not have exact numbers on how many servers have NS2Stats compared to those that don't. I am going by the sample size that I have played on. Very few of them have had NS2Stats. It is my personal opinion that the sample size for NS2Stats is nowhere near high enough.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Admits that his value of 30% comes from an even smaller sample.
I have 785 hours played.
I have a new computer, where I get about 80-100fps, sometimes it dips to about 60 if there's heavy fire, if the server is acting up it can go lower to about 35-50.
No scripts, macros, the only thing I have changed was the crosshair.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Playing top tier NS1 doesn't hurt one bit either. You've been able to use a lot of that 785 hours to readjust old skills and habits into a new environment.
Either way, it is a well known fact (whether you like it or not) that for the last few patches aliens have won a majority of the time. I'm not going to say what exactly that win/loss ratio is since I don't want you to have a cow, but that is as I said well known.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flying unicorns are also a well known fact. Pls cut the bull###### and show the proof. From what i've seen marines win the majority of games hands down.
<!--quoteo(post=2051833:date=Dec 27 2012, 06:31 AM:name=VittuLima)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VittuLima @ Dec 27 2012, 06:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051833"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>From what i've seen</b> marines win the majority of games hands down.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
surely you realize how silly these two statements are in the same post ?
No? I've been speaking about my experience whole time and he has been quoting non existent statistics?
Your experience is an aberration. The FACT is that aliens currently win more. There is NO debate on this. You can continue to argue but it is pointless and makes you appear foolish.
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AMIRITE?
Rounds played on those "stats" server range from 120-511 per day. Average game lasts 15 minutes, that's 96 rounds in 24 hours single server, with quick math there is 1-6 active servers from a hundreads using these.
When u push the servers button tho it shows plenty of servers. But u can see 90% of the servers using these "stats" havent had a round played in days or weeks, so they are dead servers. So we have only a couple of active servers producing these "stats" and we have no idea who play there and do good players tend to stack aliens etc.
Most active server is some russian which had last round 2 hours ago, second active is some american which had last round 14 HOURS AGO. These "statistics" are a joke. What we have here is very unreliable "stats" from small group of players with a small sample size.
When u push the servers button tho it shows plenty of servers. But u can see 90% of the servers using these "stats" havent had a round played in days or weeks, so they are dead servers. So we have only a couple of active servers producing these "stats" and we have no idea who play there and do good players tend to stack aliens etc.
Most active server is some russian which had last round 2 hours ago, second active is some american which had last round 14 HOURS AGO. These "statistics" are a joke. What we have here is very unreliable "stats" from small group of players with a small sample size.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As opposed to your anecdotal evidence?
You are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. The ns2stats.org is a fair sample size. The data pulled from it echos my experiences, and those of many others. Your statements do not.
You are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. The ns2stats.org is a fair sample size. The data pulled from it echos my experiences, and those of many others. Your statements do not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have never said my personal experiences are evidence, they are my opinion, and they as valid as any opinion of others here. Those stats aren't even close to evidence, top 5% of those servers are near death and rest 95% are completely dead. small sample sizes, dead servers. Hell half of those "stats" might be from 2 iraqi kids dueling whole day on some dead server.
There's greenies there, for Gods sake.
At that point, I either change server or go Gorge or comm.
Search long enough and anyone will find a server to dominate in, as will anyone find a server to get dominated in. (As a general truth, unless you're friggin' Rapha or something...)
Those same "iraqi kids" could be playing as aliens against you; hence your winning percentages.
Admits that his value of 30% comes from an even smaller sample.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My value of 30% was estimated based on looking at the server list. The only problem with this is that I limit it to servers below 120 ping.
Also, there's more to it than wins and losses, anyway.
<!--quoteo(post=2051872:date=Dec 27 2012, 09:19 AM:name=bongofish)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bongofish @ Dec 27 2012, 09:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2051872"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your experience is an aberration. The FACT is that aliens currently win more. There is NO debate on this. You can continue to argue but it is pointless and makes you appear foolish.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now why don't we get into the important thing that isn't shown by NS2Stats... WHY do aliens win more? But everyone is content to slam the nerf hammer onto the alien team again without really looking deeper into the problem other than "aliens are winning more".
EDIT: Let's also remember the huge rookie influxes that pad these stats.
But enough of this, I'm going back on topic.
I say it again, the reason aliens get angry and leave is because when marines are doing better than them, it quite literally takes away their ability to play the game. Long respawn times, corridors that you can't get down to even get one hit on the enemy, players that know all of the hiding spots, getting one shot, shotguns, egg lock... there are so many frustrating things about playing the alien team.