While being deaf would mean you'd miss someone shouting down their mic that something is happening, as long as you explain you're deaf and people need to type you should be able to play a commander role with no real issues.
I've played under a few deaf comms in my time. Most of them are actually much better at it than others because they seem to be able to stay more aware of what was actually going on, rather than having the distraction of audio/player demands. I know a number of people play comm on public who do not have voice and they play perfectly fine as well.
You should have no real problems playing and enjoying the game in public. But I agree more information is required on the GUI in commander mode. I often have to rely on players to tell me when I lose an upgrade - this needs to be visual.
<!--quoteo(post=2054569:date=Jan 2 2013, 01:41 AM:name=measles)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (measles @ Jan 2 2013, 01:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054569"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Even a blind person might posees the technology to accurately relay the data the game transmits!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Speaking as a person with extensive experience with blind computer users, this technology does not exist.
Hyperbole: foiled.
If the majority of people on your team do not want to deal with a commander that does not have a mic, no power on earth can force them to.
I'm not saying the OP can't play NS2. What I am saying is they need to compensate for their missing mic by typing all the time. They can ask others to type as well, but they are under no obligation to do so. Especially considering how disruptive it can be to their game and play style.
To the OP: I am not suggesting you hide your disability, but maybe not advertise it in every game. Their are enough immature people out there that will simply find any reason to attack someone; even in a game like NS2 where often time people don't want to command, they will simply vote to eject and start there with their thumbs firmly planted in their butts. I still think you will have a hard way to go though. You are trying to change some very ingrained things, and trying to play one of the more demanding roles in a multiplayer game. Communication is paramount in NS2.
I dont see a problem, for me it would be complicaed due to the fact that I constantly, constantly report what is happening where Im at. some people find it annoying, Ive been told to stfu many times, but I dont. team based game, people need to know what happens, specially the commander. many times Ive ran into a room, mic opened, dodging 2 or 3 skuls and calling out everything I saw, for those who were coming up behind me, and for the comm to prepare. those are things that one simply cant do typing, they add value to the game, maybe too much for pubs but value nonetheless. Still, I dont think a comm requires a MIC; I played a great game yesterday where the comm had no mic.
PD: things may be better received if you just tell them our speakers just blew out and cant hear them, some people are real ######s.
<!--quoteo(post=2054681:date=Jan 2 2013, 08:59 AM:name=DamDSx)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DamDSx @ Jan 2 2013, 08:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054681"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Still, I dont think a comm requires a MIC; I played a great game yesterday where the comm had no mic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is significantly more than "comm doesn't have a mic". A commander needs to be able to respond to requests for information from his marines. A person without a mic, and without a hearing disability, will still get the necessary information from marines with no need for the marines to completely change their playstyle. Expecting the entire marine team to start typing to rely information to their commander (while not impossible) is asking a lot.
did you ever think of getting an team together and showing the world a different way of what THEY think "how it needs to be done"?
dont fu their mums, but definitely fu their opinions!
i also think uwe will be proud to put everything ingame a deaf com would need to com as good as possible. i mean gosh, <b>they just donated 15.000$ to <a href="http://www.childsplaycharity.org/" target="_blank">http://www.childsplaycharity.org/</a></b> so they will help you guys out asap - i am assured!
A birdy told me everyone on Pubs just screams retarded non-sence anyway and that in an average game you wont get a single med/ammo or order request that is actually worth responding to. I hear by proclaim that due to these conditions for commanding public play: Deafness is an improvement.
From now on by decree anyone commanding public games should take steps towards deafening themselves before getting inside the command chair either through the use of loud music or by turning down the game volume till their whining can no longer be heard!
I was in the match yesterday where you raged after being kicked.
Like I told you on the server, I felt bad kicking you out now that I know youre deaf(hes not trolling). I always wondered why you ignored everything I said when I was commanding, and went off on rants typing about what we should be doing.
You can command without needing to hear/talk, but you need more experience. For example, a guy was sitting in data core for over a min and constantly asked for you to power the node or drop a phase gate. You did niether for over a min. Powering nodes is something you can do at the start of the match before a single extractor is built. But even with a marine there for nearly 2mins, you didnt do it. Another 2 guys were asking for medpaks in flight control for 30seconds and died. Shortly thereafter they asked if the comm was afk. I said he cant hear for some reason, because Ive dealt with you many times on my team. Now I know why.
After that you were ejected right away, but there is a lesson to learn as to why you were ejected. Next time, you can ask why they ejected, and hopefully someone will be kind enough to type to you why, like I just have. More experience and you wont face these problems. Its already tough enough begging people to phase through a phase gate with a mic, so youll always have a tough/impossible time to win evenly matched games if the aliens are pressuring properly. With that said, you can still manage to command some games, but you need more experience. Not trying to insult you, but youre not that fast yet or close to mastering marine. Alien is pretty straight forward and hardly requires a mic.
Our server requires a mic, though I think it is more for showing an attempt at making sure people are trying to work with others. A mic can help cordinate people when a power node is in base. Granted u can type stuff out, though I wonder how many times I myself over looks chat. I had a buddy who was 100% deaf not hard of hearing. I was blown away as he could talk and read lips. As you cant read lips in game, can you talk? He was also awesome at CS, even as he couldnt hear footsteps.
You will have an up hill battle. You would be best to stay on a consistent server that people would come to respect your skill. Then you shouldnt have an issue, though pubs might not be to forgiving. I generally avoid marine comm as my multitasking is nay and I can shoot.
The reality of it is that you will be a far less than ideal comm if you can't interact with your team in their preferred method of communication. Nobody wants to type if they have a mic, so of course they're going to be frustrated if they find out that you can't hear them. Comms without mics have enough difficulty as it is.
You can be an acceptable comm for a pub game if you're extremely on top of things to the point that you're aware of everything that happens to your players and never need any reminders. But you should expect to be in a support role while your team is driving, because you won't be able to coordinate them very effectively.
I was in the match yesterday where you raged after being kicked.
Like I told you on the server, I felt bad kicking you out now that I know youre deaf(hes not trolling). I always wondered why you ignored everything I said when I was commanding, and went off on rants typing about what we should be doing.
You can command without needing to hear/talk, but you need more experience. For example, a guy was sitting in data core for over a min and constantly asked for you to power the node or drop a phase gate. You did niether for over a min. Powering nodes is something you can do at the start of the match before a single extractor is built. But even with a marine there for nearly 2mins, you didnt do it. Another 2 guys were asking for medpaks in flight control for 30seconds and died. Shortly thereafter they asked if the comm was afk. I said he cant hear for some reason, because Ive dealt with you many times on my team. Now I know why.
After that you were ejected right away, but there is a lesson to learn as to why you were ejected. Next time, you can ask why they ejected, and hopefully someone will be kind enough to type to you why, like I just have. More experience and you wont face these problems. Its already tough enough begging people to phase through a phase gate with a mic, so youll always have a tough/impossible time to win evenly matched games if the aliens are pressuring properly. With that said, you can still manage to command some games, but you need more experience. Not trying to insult you, but youre not that fast yet or close to mastering marine. Alien is pretty straight forward and hardly requires a mic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was going to post that I suspected this exact situation - the comm was not so much ejected due to being deaf but more so because he's not nearly as good of a comm as he thinks he is. I have played comm on both sides with no sound a few times and never got ejected, in fact I won those matches. Commanding can be done without sound but it is more difficult for sure, so you will need to truly be a good or great commander to not get ejected all the time. Its on YOU to follow your marines around the map and give them what they need, <b>quickly</b>.
He's not trolling, I've played with him on the KKG servers (and other 24p servers) here and there, and he really is deaf.
All I can say is that you need to communicate to the team that you cannot hear mic chat, and you need to up your comm game with some fast typing, and use of non verbal markers (pressing the middle mouse button to ping a location on the map).
<!--quoteo(post=2054766:date=Jan 2 2013, 11:50 AM:name=xen32)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xen32 @ Jan 2 2013, 11:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054766"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Technically, you can be a commander. But you can never be good commander if you can't hear stuff.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just like some one will never be a good composer because they can't hear right... ;)
<!--quoteo(post=2054773:date=Jan 2 2013, 05:01 PM:name=current1y)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (current1y @ Jan 2 2013, 05:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054773"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just like some one will never be a good composer because they can't hear right... ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is a difference between being a good writer and a good actor.
Its like saying a man with no bodily movements other than being able to flicker his eye lids can be a good commander, just because another guys who has no bodily movements other than being able to flicker his eye lids is good at maths.
<!--quoteo(post=2054773:date=Jan 2 2013, 01:01 PM:name=current1y)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (current1y @ Jan 2 2013, 01:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054773"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just like some one will never be a good composer because they can't hear right... ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I see your point, but Beethoven (who I think is who you are refferring to) lost his hearing after years of studying and composing music, he had knowledge on the matter, which allowed him to create the master pieces he did even after being completely deaf.
Im not saying the OP cant become a great commander, this is entirely different, but imo Beethoven is not a great example given the circumnstances here.
I can see why you would choose that though, I thought Beethoven had always been deaf, until I actually gathered enough curiousity so find out about the mans life.
<!--quoteo(post=2054544:date=Jan 1 2013, 10:48 PM:name=Lofung)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lofung @ Jan 1 2013, 10:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054544"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the simple trick is that dun tell people that u r deaf<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I took your advice last night and managed to stay being silent commander but with a lot of typing and pings through many matches. It seems working. what the... ur winner.
<!--quoteo(post=2054709:date=Jan 2 2013, 07:59 AM:name=Solarity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Solarity @ Jan 2 2013, 07:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054709"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Our server requires a mic, though I think it is more for showing an attempt at making sure people are trying to work with others. A mic can help cordinate people when a power node is in base. Granted u can type stuff out, though I wonder how many times I myself over looks chat. I had a buddy who was 100% deaf not hard of hearing. I was blown away as he could talk and read lips. As you cant read lips in game, can you talk? He was also awesome at CS, even as he couldnt hear footsteps.
You will have an up hill battle. You would be best to stay on a consistent server that people would come to respect your skill. Then you shouldnt have an issue, though pubs might not be to forgiving. I generally avoid marine comm as my multitasking is nay and I can shoot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's nice, you gave a chance for him. "he can talk and read lips", of course, deaf people can learn how to talk/read lips. Most of the times, their background were with a hearing family and raised in hearing school. my background is the opposite of that pretty much. I was raised in a proud deaf family.
I was in the match yesterday where you raged after being kicked.
Like I told you on the server, I felt bad kicking you out now that I know youre deaf(hes not trolling). I always wondered why you ignored everything I said when I was commanding, and went off on rants typing about what we should be doing.
You can command without needing to hear/talk, but you need more experience. For example, a guy was sitting in data core for over a min and constantly asked for you to power the node or drop a phase gate. You did niether for over a min. Powering nodes is something you can do at the start of the match before a single extractor is built. But even with a marine there for nearly 2mins, you didnt do it. Another 2 guys were asking for medpaks in flight control for 30seconds and died. Shortly thereafter they asked if the comm was afk. I said he cant hear for some reason, because Ive dealt with you many times on my team. Now I know why.
After that you were ejected right away, but there is a lesson to learn as to why you were ejected. Next time, you can ask why they ejected...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, Ya, Sometimes men need to release their rage after so much frustration. Before i say this, i am not making an excuse for whatever ###### this is. At the point, i was distracted by dropping me######its at 3 men in other location, plus i ran out of reg by dropping new infantry portal, armory, and observatory. Even, i dropped a reg gen at other side and it got zerged. In addition, this guy was struck inside of commander station. i had to log out for him. It was overwhelming at the moment, Then you guys end up raging impatience. After that, i got ejected. That's it.
And, you said i can ask why they eject me? none of them answered my question in that game. they and included you were just mercying and telling me "oh no, you know, deaf player can't play as role of a commander. We need hearing commander for mic" After that, i haven't found solid answer about what exactly reason why i got ejected. I walked out of that game with no feedback.
I would suggest using your mic even if you think your voice is not that clear Tell the players you cant hear them because you have a sound issue or something(say your deaf might cause alarm for them to eject you) A good comm should tell the players a little what the other team is doing but you dont have to say that much A simple "incoming operations" or "go to repair" is all you really need to say Now if you cant speak at all for some reason you could try to use some sort of key binding that says what you need the players to do
Since I play comm pretty often I might try and play a game without using mic/sound then try and play one with just using my mic.
Unfortunately it's rather hard to command without using a mic, as you can't do anything while typing, and you need to talk to your team a lot. Also the team will use their mics to talk to you, because they can't do anything while typing either.
Basically the game is very communication-oriented generally, not being able to do that other than by text is a problem when it comes to your performance as a member or leader of the team. So yes, a lot of people will not want you on their team and especially not commanding it. It sucks, but I don't know if there's anything to be done about it.
<!--quoteo(post=2054722:date=Jan 2 2013, 10:38 AM:name=joederp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (joederp @ Jan 2 2013, 10:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054722"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I was going to post that I suspected this exact situation - the comm was not so much ejected due to being deaf but more so because he's not nearly as good of a comm as he thinks he is. I have played comm on both sides with no sound a few times and never got ejected, in fact I won those matches. Commanding can be done without sound but it is more difficult for sure, so you will need to truly be a good or great commander to not get ejected all the time. Its on YOU to follow your marines around the map and give them what they need, <b>quickly</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't recall him claiming to be an incredible comm. I had the impression he's trying to learn to comm. For a good comm to take a communication handicap after already developing all the tactical and mechanical abilities they need to do their job well is one thing... for a comm to learn how to do it from square one with a handicap the whole time is another thing entirely. How is he supposed to get better at it if no one lets him practice?
<!--quoteo(post=2055179:date=Jan 3 2013, 04:12 AM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Jan 3 2013, 04:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2055179"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Unfortunately it's rather hard to command without using a mic, as you can't do anything while typing, and you need to talk to your team a lot. Also the team will use their mics to talk to you, because they can't do anything while typing either.
Basically the game is very communication-oriented generally, not being able to do that other than by text is a problem when it comes to your performance as a member or leader of the team. So yes, a lot of people will not want you on their team and especially not commanding it. It sucks, but I don't know if there's anything to be done about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> A good chunk of the necessary communications can be done via the orders request system. After that another good chunk of it can be made up by paying extra attention to the map. It will ultimately still be a difficult thing to overcome, but it should be doable to a satisfactory level of play at very least.
I really feel like it's almost like not picking the guy in the wheel chair to play on your public court basketball team. If you've ever played with one of those competitive wheelchair basketball guys you'd know they'd smoke the average player. They may not be Michael Jordan, but your average NS2 pub commander isn't Scrajm either.
Sure, this guy might never be top teir, but if he's serious about learning he can be better than a hell of a lot of casual public commanders. It's really not a high bar to jump over.
Great topic, handicapped people deserve a chance too.
I have multiple handicaps and even my close friends do not understand, some yes cuz they have something too but defenitly not the healthy ones. At this moment i'm threatened by a hardcore criminal just for defending my relationship, he wants to hurt me badly so he can get to my girlfriend and i'm to weak to defend myself, some fall that deep and are proud that they won victory over a disabled person...
I will never be commander since my learning curve (and memorizing) dropped sharply the last 5 years. And personally I give a damn if a comm has no mic, is deaf or missing an arm.
just had a case where phase gate fell, observatory was getting hit really hard, and me and this other guy both screamed at the comm to beacon to locker. either it was coincidence, but he did so within moments, and we got there like three chomps before the damn obs went down.
so yeah, if you're fighting off a multipronged attack, and you're not a friggin pro-rts player, you often do need the other NINE people on your team to keep an eye on the map. I'm still at that point where i need the stupid thing to navigate properly and to check names, but it's also starting to become compulsive. and if it's a good game, every second counts. and typing is at most an extra second or two, just to move my mouse hand.
<!--quoteo(post=2055195:date=Jan 3 2013, 09:31 AM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Jan 3 2013, 09:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2055195"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A good chunk of the necessary communications can be done via the orders request system. After that another good chunk of it can be made up by paying extra attention to the map. It will ultimately still be a difficult thing to overcome, but it should be doable to a satisfactory level of play at very least.
I really feel like it's almost like not picking the guy in the wheel chair to play on your public court basketball team. If you've ever played with one of those competitive wheelchair basketball guys you'd know they'd smoke the average player. They may not be Michael Jordan, but your average NS2 pub commander isn't Scrajm either.
Sure, this guy might never be top teir, but if he's serious about learning he can be better than a hell of a lot of casual public commanders. It's really not a high bar to jump over.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I find when I command that most of my job is using my superior map visibility to relay information to players, that can really only be done well I think with a microphone. Sometimes you just need to give information, not orders and not to specific people. With decent players of course you also want them to be aware of your strategy, so they can work towards it too. The rest is just trained monkey work yes, but presumably the whole point in having a commander and not simply a sufficiently advanced AI routine is that you need that communication element. Certainly the inability to hear other players using the mic is a major problem as typing in combat is simply not doable without significantly hurting your team's performance.
Yes you can certainly do what I would call the 'important' part of commanding without talking to your team at all, but everyone else seems to disagree with me. People judge commander quality on whether they talk first, not whether they get everything done quickly. I presume I'm just missing something but apparently the chatting is important, even if a half decent team should know what to do and the commander should be able to manage entirely without saying a word.
And yeah it really is like not picking the guy in the wheelchair. Except the guy in the wheelchair isn't a pro wheelchair basketball player, he's just a guy in a wheelchair. Maybe he's good at controlling his wheelchair, but more than likely he isn't as good as everyone else, because he's starting from a significant disadvantage. He can certainly become better than average, but unless you happen to know he is, or can see he is, why would you pick him? Especially if you are on the internet and nobody will hear or be able to do anything about you not wanting the wheelchair guy on your team. People don't act nicely a lot of the time, certainly not when they think they can get away with it.
A large element of commanding is getting people to do what you say, if everyone thinks you're terrible or hates you or just doesn't expect you to be good, it undermines your authority. It is entirely possible that being deaf or mute or any other possible disability which would impact how you play the game, would prevent you from being a good commander simply because people believe it would, and thus aren't inclined to give you a chance.
Being deaf is certainly less than ideal for commanding, but it shouldn't be that big a of deal, at least not in pub games. Just make sure you watch the minimap closely, give out clear instructions for marines to follow, and you're already above average. I've seen commanders with mics who fail just to do that.
<!--quoteo(post=2054526:date=Jan 1 2013, 10:23 PM:name=Napkin2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Napkin2 @ Jan 1 2013, 10:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054526"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ah, now i am taking a sigh of relief... Gratz, i am not only one, thanks.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, I've played Commander at the competitive level but in public games I usually just go silent and place structures accordingly.
You know, when I play on French servers... I avoid playing the com because I can't speak French or communicate effectively.
When I play on Spanish servers... I avoid playing com because I can't speak Spanish very well so I'm not very good at keeping up with the flow of the game.
When I play on UK servers, I make sure to add all the extra/silent vowels to my words so that the brits can understand American, so I get by as a com there.
Your situation has given me courage to just go ahead and com on every server, and when I can't understand what's being said, I'll just turn off the sound and pretend I'm deaf.
Also, if you want to com with me, I'm ok with that. I believe everyone should get a chance to com, handicaps or not. As a show of solidarity, I promise to only communicate via sign-language. Faq them guys if they can't communicate with us properly while shooting stuff!
.................
Ok, just had to get that out of my system. Seriously, I wouldn't care if you commed on any server I was on... occasionally... because yes, everyone should get a shot at it no matter what their skill level or style. (I'm putting you in the style catagory because I deal with plenty of comms that only type, but they can hear me talk to them... you're just a bit more extreme.)
However, you really can't hold it against people who want a good commander given how important it is to the quality of the game. It's hard enough to win as marines right now without having to fight your commander too. Also, my playstyle keeps me in motion almost constantly... pausing to type (I'm average at typing...) something that might just get overlooked depending on attention spans is likely to get me killed. Lots of time I will move into an area and ask for a powernode first with the assumption that if I can secure the room, I can ask for something like a PG or start building up a tech point.... I often only have a few seconds to do what I want to do, and pausing to type/argue/debate the merit of my plan will only doom it to fail. From your perspective, that might be worth debating as you see things I don't... typing it out is the least effective way to do that... and a simple "No", though effective, isn't going to leave me with a good feeling about your leadership skills.
In summary, I expect you to meet me half way. Get a mic, and learn to speak well enough to lead your troops that CAN hear. It's not unreasonable to expect you to accommodate the abilities of your troops... don't expect kindness and understanding with random internet people on a regular basis either.
As I said, I'd happily give you a run at comms with me... and I'll stick up for you if it ever comes up... but if the response time lacks, I'm going to be honest about it too.
O.K. sorry to be harsh but....IMO just deal with the fact that comm needs to be able to hear. you CAN get by without that but it's pretty important and it frustrates players when the comm can't talk/hear..
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I've played under a few deaf comms in my time. Most of them are actually much better at it than others because they seem to be able to stay more aware of what was actually going on, rather than having the distraction of audio/player demands. I know a number of people play comm on public who do not have voice and they play perfectly fine as well.
You should have no real problems playing and enjoying the game in public. But I agree more information is required on the GUI in commander mode. I often have to rely on players to tell me when I lose an upgrade - this needs to be visual.
Speaking as a person with extensive experience with blind computer users, this technology does not exist.
Hyperbole: foiled.
If the majority of people on your team do not want to deal with a commander that does not have a mic, no power on earth can force them to.
I'm not saying the OP can't play NS2. What I am saying is they need to compensate for their missing mic by typing all the time. They can ask others to type as well, but they are under no obligation to do so. Especially considering how disruptive it can be to their game and play style.
To the OP: I am not suggesting you hide your disability, but maybe not advertise it in every game. Their are enough immature people out there that will simply find any reason to attack someone; even in a game like NS2 where often time people don't want to command, they will simply vote to eject and start there with their thumbs firmly planted in their butts. I still think you will have a hard way to go though. You are trying to change some very ingrained things, and trying to play one of the more demanding roles in a multiplayer game. Communication is paramount in NS2.
PD: things may be better received if you just tell them our speakers just blew out and cant hear them, some people are real ######s.
This is significantly more than "comm doesn't have a mic". A commander needs to be able to respond to requests for information from his marines. A person without a mic, and without a hearing disability, will still get the necessary information from marines with no need for the marines to completely change their playstyle. Expecting the entire marine team to start typing to rely information to their commander (while not impossible) is asking a lot.
dont fu their mums, but definitely fu their opinions!
i also think uwe will be proud to put everything ingame a deaf com would need
to com as good as possible. i mean gosh, <b>they just donated 15.000$ to <a href="http://www.childsplaycharity.org/" target="_blank">http://www.childsplaycharity.org/</a></b>
so they will help you guys out asap - i am assured!
From now on by decree anyone commanding public games should take steps towards deafening themselves before getting inside the command chair either through the use of loud music or by turning down the game volume till their whining can no longer be heard!
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I was in the match yesterday where you raged after being kicked.
Like I told you on the server, I felt bad kicking you out now that I know youre deaf(hes not trolling). I always wondered why you ignored everything I said when I was commanding, and went off on rants typing about what we should be doing.
You can command without needing to hear/talk, but you need more experience. For example, a guy was sitting in data core for over a min and constantly asked for you to power the node or drop a phase gate. You did niether for over a min. Powering nodes is something you can do at the start of the match before a single extractor is built. But even with a marine there for nearly 2mins, you didnt do it. Another 2 guys were asking for medpaks in flight control for 30seconds and died. Shortly thereafter they asked if the comm was afk. I said he cant hear for some reason, because Ive dealt with you many times on my team. Now I know why.
After that you were ejected right away, but there is a lesson to learn as to why you were ejected. Next time, you can ask why they ejected, and hopefully someone will be kind enough to type to you why, like I just have. More experience and you wont face these problems. Its already tough enough begging people to phase through a phase gate with a mic, so youll always have a tough/impossible time to win evenly matched games if the aliens are pressuring properly. With that said, you can still manage to command some games, but you need more experience. Not trying to insult you, but youre not that fast yet or close to mastering marine. Alien is pretty straight forward and hardly requires a mic.
You will have an up hill battle. You would be best to stay on a consistent server that people would come to respect your skill. Then you shouldnt have an issue, though pubs might not be to forgiving. I generally avoid marine comm as my multitasking is nay and I can shoot.
You can be an acceptable comm for a pub game if you're extremely on top of things to the point that you're aware of everything that happens to your players and never need any reminders. But you should expect to be in a support role while your team is driving, because you won't be able to coordinate them very effectively.
I was in the match yesterday where you raged after being kicked.
Like I told you on the server, I felt bad kicking you out now that I know youre deaf(hes not trolling). I always wondered why you ignored everything I said when I was commanding, and went off on rants typing about what we should be doing.
You can command without needing to hear/talk, but you need more experience. For example, a guy was sitting in data core for over a min and constantly asked for you to power the node or drop a phase gate. You did niether for over a min. Powering nodes is something you can do at the start of the match before a single extractor is built. But even with a marine there for nearly 2mins, you didnt do it. Another 2 guys were asking for medpaks in flight control for 30seconds and died. Shortly thereafter they asked if the comm was afk. I said he cant hear for some reason, because Ive dealt with you many times on my team. Now I know why.
After that you were ejected right away, but there is a lesson to learn as to why you were ejected. Next time, you can ask why they ejected, and hopefully someone will be kind enough to type to you why, like I just have. More experience and you wont face these problems. Its already tough enough begging people to phase through a phase gate with a mic, so youll always have a tough/impossible time to win evenly matched games if the aliens are pressuring properly. With that said, you can still manage to command some games, but you need more experience. Not trying to insult you, but youre not that fast yet or close to mastering marine. Alien is pretty straight forward and hardly requires a mic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was going to post that I suspected this exact situation - the comm was not so much ejected due to being deaf but more so because he's not nearly as good of a comm as he thinks he is.
I have played comm on both sides with no sound a few times and never got ejected, in fact I won those matches. Commanding can be done without sound but it is more difficult for sure, so you will need to truly be a good or great commander to not get ejected all the time. Its on YOU to follow your marines around the map and give them what they need, <b>quickly</b>.
All I can say is that you need to communicate to the team that you cannot hear mic chat, and you need to up your comm game with some fast typing, and use of non verbal markers (pressing the middle mouse button to ping a location on the map).
Just like some one will never be a good composer because they can't hear right... ;)
There is a difference between being a good writer and a good actor.
Its like saying a man with no bodily movements other than being able to flicker his eye lids can be a good commander, just because another guys who has no bodily movements other than being able to flicker his eye lids is good at maths.
I see your point, but Beethoven (who I think is who you are refferring to) lost his hearing after years of studying and composing music, he had knowledge on the matter, which allowed him to create the master pieces he did even after being completely deaf.
Im not saying the OP cant become a great commander, this is entirely different, but imo Beethoven is not a great example given the circumnstances here.
I can see why you would choose that though, I thought Beethoven had always been deaf, until I actually gathered enough curiousity so find out about the mans life.
I took your advice last night and managed to stay being silent commander but with a lot of typing and pings through many matches. It seems working. what the... ur winner.
<!--quoteo(post=2054709:date=Jan 2 2013, 07:59 AM:name=Solarity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Solarity @ Jan 2 2013, 07:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054709"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Our server requires a mic, though I think it is more for showing an attempt at making sure people are trying to work with others. A mic can help cordinate people when a power node is in base. Granted u can type stuff out, though I wonder how many times I myself over looks chat. I had a buddy who was 100% deaf not hard of hearing. I was blown away as he could talk and read lips. As you cant read lips in game, can you talk? He was also awesome at CS, even as he couldnt hear footsteps.
You will have an up hill battle. You would be best to stay on a consistent server that people would come to respect your skill. Then you shouldnt have an issue, though pubs might not be to forgiving. I generally avoid marine comm as my multitasking is nay and I can shoot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's nice, you gave a chance for him. "he can talk and read lips", of course, deaf people can learn how to talk/read lips. Most of the times, their background were with a hearing family and raised in hearing school. my background is the opposite of that pretty much. I was raised in a proud deaf family.
<!--quoteo(post=2054707:date=Jan 2 2013, 07:53 AM:name=CHAMPCANDOIT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CHAMPCANDOIT @ Jan 2 2013, 07:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054707"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hey Napkin,
I was in the match yesterday where you raged after being kicked.
Like I told you on the server, I felt bad kicking you out now that I know youre deaf(hes not trolling). I always wondered why you ignored everything I said when I was commanding, and went off on rants typing about what we should be doing.
You can command without needing to hear/talk, but you need more experience. For example, a guy was sitting in data core for over a min and constantly asked for you to power the node or drop a phase gate. You did niether for over a min. Powering nodes is something you can do at the start of the match before a single extractor is built. But even with a marine there for nearly 2mins, you didnt do it. Another 2 guys were asking for medpaks in flight control for 30seconds and died. Shortly thereafter they asked if the comm was afk. I said he cant hear for some reason, because Ive dealt with you many times on my team. Now I know why.
After that you were ejected right away, but there is a lesson to learn as to why you were ejected. Next time, you can ask why they ejected...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, Ya, Sometimes men need to release their rage after so much frustration. Before i say this, i am not making an excuse for whatever ###### this is. At the point, i was distracted by dropping me######its at 3 men in other location, plus i ran out of reg by dropping new infantry portal, armory, and observatory. Even, i dropped a reg gen at other side and it got zerged. In addition, this guy was struck inside of commander station. i had to log out for him. It was overwhelming at the moment, Then you guys end up raging impatience. After that, i got ejected. That's it.
And, you said i can ask why they eject me? none of them answered my question in that game. they and included you were just mercying and telling me "oh no, you know, deaf player can't play as role of a commander. We need hearing commander for mic" After that, i haven't found solid answer about what exactly reason why i got ejected. I walked out of that game with no feedback.
Tell the players you cant hear them because you have a sound issue or something(say your deaf might cause alarm for them to eject you)
A good comm should tell the players a little what the other team is doing but you dont have to say that much
A simple "incoming operations" or "go to repair" is all you really need to say
Now if you cant speak at all for some reason you could try to use some sort of key binding that says what you need the players to do
Since I play comm pretty often I might try and play a game without using mic/sound then try and play one with just using my mic.
Basically the game is very communication-oriented generally, not being able to do that other than by text is a problem when it comes to your performance as a member or leader of the team. So yes, a lot of people will not want you on their team and especially not commanding it. It sucks, but I don't know if there's anything to be done about it.
I have played comm on both sides with no sound a few times and never got ejected, in fact I won those matches. Commanding can be done without sound but it is more difficult for sure, so you will need to truly be a good or great commander to not get ejected all the time. Its on YOU to follow your marines around the map and give them what they need, <b>quickly</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't recall him claiming to be an incredible comm. I had the impression he's trying to learn to comm. For a good comm to take a communication handicap after already developing all the tactical and mechanical abilities they need to do their job well is one thing... for a comm to learn how to do it from square one with a handicap the whole time is another thing entirely. How is he supposed to get better at it if no one lets him practice?
They could have just thought you were screwing with them.
Basically the game is very communication-oriented generally, not being able to do that other than by text is a problem when it comes to your performance as a member or leader of the team. So yes, a lot of people will not want you on their team and especially not commanding it. It sucks, but I don't know if there's anything to be done about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A good chunk of the necessary communications can be done via the orders request system. After that another good chunk of it can be made up by paying extra attention to the map. It will ultimately still be a difficult thing to overcome, but it should be doable to a satisfactory level of play at very least.
I really feel like it's almost like not picking the guy in the wheel chair to play on your public court basketball team. If you've ever played with one of those competitive wheelchair basketball guys you'd know they'd smoke the average player. They may not be Michael Jordan, but your average NS2 pub commander isn't Scrajm either.
Sure, this guy might never be top teir, but if he's serious about learning he can be better than a hell of a lot of casual public commanders. It's really not a high bar to jump over.
I have multiple handicaps and even my close friends do not understand, some yes cuz they have something too but defenitly not the healthy ones.
At this moment i'm threatened by a hardcore criminal just for defending my relationship, he wants to hurt me badly so he can get to my girlfriend
and i'm to weak to defend myself, some fall that deep and are proud that they won victory over a disabled person...
I will never be commander since my learning curve (and memorizing) dropped sharply the last 5 years.
And personally I give a damn if a comm has no mic, is deaf or missing an arm.
Respect - enjoy your gameplay :)
so yeah, if you're fighting off a multipronged attack, and you're not a friggin pro-rts player, you often do need the other NINE people on your team to keep an eye on the map. I'm still at that point where i need the stupid thing to navigate properly and to check names, but it's also starting to become compulsive. and if it's a good game, every second counts. and typing is at most an extra second or two, just to move my mouse hand.
I really feel like it's almost like not picking the guy in the wheel chair to play on your public court basketball team. If you've ever played with one of those competitive wheelchair basketball guys you'd know they'd smoke the average player. They may not be Michael Jordan, but your average NS2 pub commander isn't Scrajm either.
Sure, this guy might never be top teir, but if he's serious about learning he can be better than a hell of a lot of casual public commanders. It's really not a high bar to jump over.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I find when I command that most of my job is using my superior map visibility to relay information to players, that can really only be done well I think with a microphone. Sometimes you just need to give information, not orders and not to specific people. With decent players of course you also want them to be aware of your strategy, so they can work towards it too. The rest is just trained monkey work yes, but presumably the whole point in having a commander and not simply a sufficiently advanced AI routine is that you need that communication element. Certainly the inability to hear other players using the mic is a major problem as typing in combat is simply not doable without significantly hurting your team's performance.
Yes you can certainly do what I would call the 'important' part of commanding without talking to your team at all, but everyone else seems to disagree with me. People judge commander quality on whether they talk first, not whether they get everything done quickly. I presume I'm just missing something but apparently the chatting is important, even if a half decent team should know what to do and the commander should be able to manage entirely without saying a word.
And yeah it really is like not picking the guy in the wheelchair. Except the guy in the wheelchair isn't a pro wheelchair basketball player, he's just a guy in a wheelchair. Maybe he's good at controlling his wheelchair, but more than likely he isn't as good as everyone else, because he's starting from a significant disadvantage. He can certainly become better than average, but unless you happen to know he is, or can see he is, why would you pick him? Especially if you are on the internet and nobody will hear or be able to do anything about you not wanting the wheelchair guy on your team. People don't act nicely a lot of the time, certainly not when they think they can get away with it.
A large element of commanding is getting people to do what you say, if everyone thinks you're terrible or hates you or just doesn't expect you to be good, it undermines your authority. It is entirely possible that being deaf or mute or any other possible disability which would impact how you play the game, would prevent you from being a good commander simply because people believe it would, and thus aren't inclined to give you a chance.
At least you have never experienced the bug where if doesnt give the audio warning that base is under attack!
UWE should maybe add a visual indicator like text on the screen...
Yeah, I've played Commander at the competitive level but in public games I usually just go silent and place structures accordingly.
When I play on Spanish servers... I avoid playing com because I can't speak Spanish very well so I'm not very good at keeping up with the flow of the game.
When I play on UK servers, I make sure to add all the extra/silent vowels to my words so that the brits can understand American, so I get by as a com there.
Your situation has given me courage to just go ahead and com on every server, and when I can't understand what's being said, I'll just turn off the sound and pretend I'm deaf.
Also, if you want to com with me, I'm ok with that. I believe everyone should get a chance to com, handicaps or not. As a show of solidarity, I promise to only communicate via sign-language. Faq them guys if they can't communicate with us properly while shooting stuff!
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Ok, just had to get that out of my system. Seriously, I wouldn't care if you commed on any server I was on... occasionally... because yes, everyone should get a shot at it no matter what their skill level or style. (I'm putting you in the style catagory because I deal with plenty of comms that only type, but they can hear me talk to them... you're just a bit more extreme.)
However, you really can't hold it against people who want a good commander given how important it is to the quality of the game. It's hard enough to win as marines right now without having to fight your commander too. Also, my playstyle keeps me in motion almost constantly... pausing to type (I'm average at typing...) something that might just get overlooked depending on attention spans is likely to get me killed. Lots of time I will move into an area and ask for a powernode first with the assumption that if I can secure the room, I can ask for something like a PG or start building up a tech point.... I often only have a few seconds to do what I want to do, and pausing to type/argue/debate the merit of my plan will only doom it to fail. From your perspective, that might be worth debating as you see things I don't... typing it out is the least effective way to do that... and a simple "No", though effective, isn't going to leave me with a good feeling about your leadership skills.
In summary, I expect you to meet me half way. Get a mic, and learn to speak well enough to lead your troops that CAN hear. It's not unreasonable to expect you to accommodate the abilities of your troops... don't expect kindness and understanding with random internet people on a regular basis either.
As I said, I'd happily give you a run at comms with me... and I'll stick up for you if it ever comes up... but if the response time lacks, I'm going to be honest about it too.
Good luck out there.