Skulk cone bite
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Join Date: 2013-01-01 Member: 176967Members
Join Date: 2013-01-01 Member: 176967Members
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Sure if I spent hours practicing I might be able to...but it simply raises the skill floor too much and makes an already difficult team to play even harder.
Glancing bites actually mean that pro's can still refine their attacks to always hit 75's..but new players are not forced to either hit or miss...and have a greater tolerance to not having perfect aim.
This lowers the skill floor and makes the game more accessible whilst still providing a high skill ceiling and areas for those inclined to improve on.
@Lúst - having those 50's and 25's being a miss is even more frustrating...trust me for those of us that were around during the beta when they initially narrowed the bite cone and before they added in glancing...you just simply didn't land bites at all.
That almost certainly means you are too far away from the marine. The game rewards you with some damage (instead of zero damage), while you learn to gauge distance.
He was being sarcastic :P
If he is indeed being sarcastic then he should do this..rather than assume the communities so small (and in awe of his opinions) that we all know what he is thinking when his words dont align with his apparent sentiment.
A lot of us more casual gamers cant aim our bites very well and as such glancing blows do offer a way for us to have some impact (other than boosting the marines K:D ratio).
Then to speak on behalf of everyone in that because you didn't get it that it was somehow a failure on my part to make it clear to you.
Perhaps you weren't my target audience ?
Your post, in isolation, is not very different from what I and others said in the past when the bite cone was nerfed and led to the addition of the glancing bites in teh first place.
I dont live and breath this game...I dont subscribe to any fan boy clubs that so many other here seem to...as such I take what people type at face value as I dont keep a running tab on their past comments.
I think that perhaps you should consider what your typing and that if people dont know you then it will be misinterpreted if your being sarcastic and not giving any indication.
I dont think I am wrong to post saying that if you were being sarcastic that no one would have any idea (unless they knew you personally and you apparently contrary views to that which you posted.
The attitude that others should somehow be able to read your mind is juvenile and down right arrogant.
Sorry if you find this a bit harsh...but you have simply attempted to bait ppl who dont know you.
I'll leave hakenspit trying to figure out whether I was being sarcastic or not. Don't spoil it.
Just going to say that its comments like the above that do nothing but prove the community is all about a select few who all know each other and their opinions on matters.
And when one of them is pointed out as being unhelpful and antagonistic in a post (Which was apparently sarcastic (because we should all have known what he was really meaning to say..not what he wrote) all their friends jump in to defend a poorly written post that was clearly meant to be misinterpreted.
Now, I'm out of here before we incur the wrath of IronHorse.
Sorry but thats a load of BS.
He makes what was apparently a sarcastic comment with no way of anyone knowing it was sarcastic unless they know his private opinions on the matter (or perhaps read every one of his previous posts)...sorry but all i did was point out if he was being sarcastic he should have, like most ppl who are used to communicating via written means, give some indication a statement was sarcastic (ie /end sarcasm..as ppl often do).
I also read that post and thought it was an honest opinion as there is no clue as to it being sarcasm. Its also very similar to a post I made in defence of glancing bites a while back. Not having superhuman powers and take what people say as face value I clicked on awesome. I would like to take that off now.
Dont be put off by the bully boy tactics on here Hakenspit. They would like nothing better than for you to leave the forums and I have also been on the end of some abuse over the years for daring to have an opinion that differs.
FYI you can remove an awesome by clicking it again....I know thats what I did once it was pointed out he was being sarcastic.
You say there is no way of gauging sarcasm merely from the text but that's like saying Adolf Hitler was a chicken pie fighting off bolognese.
I'm pretty sure I'm missing something here :S
No sorry, the fact that most ppl know who hitler was (and what his opinions where) makes your argument float about as well as the titanic after it hit the iceberg. Despite what scatter might want to believe not everyone knows what he thinks on every topic (or cares to).
I dont know what scatter's thoughts are on everything (nor do most ppl who post here...hence why they post their opinions) so if he want to be sarcastic and have ppl realise this he needs to stop believing we all can read his mind and know what he really thinks or give an indicator (such as /end sarcasm...which has been how ppl illustrate sarcasm on the internet for 20 years or so).
A block of text...which simply states god exists does not necessitate that the author does not believe it (despite the fact other dont agree with this statement), in fact it would be fair to assume they do believe this.
Sure his mates might know his personal beliefs...but other ppl dont and as such the statement would be misinterpreted.
But by putting some tag j/k or lol etc at the end will give an indicator to the reader of the authors actual opinion.
consistently makes long argumentative posts
Hakenspit, you seem to be under the impression that the bite cone was changed to be an incredibly skillful weapon. It's not. If you're a casual player who prefers to hold M1 in combat, you'll still land plenty of bites and overall likely get more damage done. The bite cone is pretty forgiving.
Seriously. Just try it. There are a lot of things to complain about in the balance mod, but the removal of glancing bites (and large increase in size of the 75 bite cone) is one of the best changes in the mod.
Glancing bites are not an issue, if your alien they can do nothing but help (some damage vs. no damage). Before this patch I rarely landed para so my default attack was 75-75-25 against a lvl0 rine Where on my third bite I snapped it of not caring if I got the full damage.
Only situation people don't like glancing bites is when playing rines where people are taking damage, if your taking glancing damage you should be thankful not upset that the alien isn't more skill because I would have landed the full 75...
People who want rines to be more powerful in close combat need to play aliens more.... In a ranged vs Meele battle the Meele should be far more effective....
While I can't speek for BT the addition of the glancing bites was an addition not a replacement. Because of this the statement "remove glancing bites". Implies go back to original bite cone. If your suggesting a new larger bite cone that's some where between 25-75 damage cones that's different and would introduce different problems...
As for BT while an amusing idea I don't see the practicality of playing it.... Playing a theoretical update where some-none-most-little of it may-may not-eventually-immediately become part of the game is useful in trying out new ideas but not useful in developing skill.... In the end the largest player base is not playing BT so the majority of players won't want to see sweeping changes to game play... If your expecting BT to become the official version yor expecting UWE to piss off the bulk of their players and risk severely hurting said player base...
Personally I'd like to see a gradient where it sloped from 85 to 20 where the potential for 2 perfect bites could kill a lvl 0 rine. ( I mean perfect... The equivalent to a head shot)
Let's go back to my first question:
Have you played the balance mod?
Obviously you haven't. Then please go try it because it's disingenuous for you to say:
Since you don't actually know because you've never played the balance mod.
So for some actual facts:
When the glancing bites were added, the 75 damage bitecone was REDUCED and the 50 bite cone now covers part of what the very old 75 bite cone covered along with some extra space. The 25 bite cone is even more extra space off the edge of that.
The balance mod bite cone for 75 damage is somewhere between the 25 and 75 bite cones on vanilla. The net result is more consistent hits and similar damage output for various skill levels of skulks when compared with the glancing bite cones.
So to summarize the net change:
The new 75 cone is significantly bigger.
The old 50 cone is now mostly enveloped by the new 75 cone.
The old 25 cone plus part of the 50 cone is gone.
And all this, if considered in a vacuum, works out to a buff across all skill levels of skulk because the extra hits that will now be 75 makes up for your loss of the 25s and a few 50s. (IE two 75s + two misses = one 75, one 50, one 25, one miss -- severely made up numbers simply to demonstrate the concept).
Source: I've actually played the mod before I criticized it.
Would really like to see 75-only bites back, so I could actually start improving with biting.
if it clearly spelled out, in detail, what changes had been made to the cone - it would be alot easier to make thoughtful judgements.
regarding the change, i think its a buff for highskill players - the 75 bite cone is supposedly bigger but a quite serious nerf for lower skill player as naturally they will not be inflicting as much damage as before as its likely they had a higher proportion of their damage dealt as 25 and 50's. raising the skill floor will only turn more new and casual players away from the game imo.
@Gorgeuos I have tried it...dont like it...not in the BT mod or back during the beta.
I dont care that the BT mod allows a lightly bigger 75 hit zone...most less skill players are likely to be getting 25's or outside of 50's more than inside 50's (inside being near 75 zone).
The bite cone was nerfed in the beta and I objected then, when glancing came in I said it offered some help but was still an overall alien nerf.
Whats being implemented in BT is simply an alien nerf...even more so if aliens are not good at aiming.
@Ghosthree3 well given that BT only has 75 damage your comments a tad strange.
Rather than hitting 25's you will miss outright and do 0 damage, if it would have been a 50...better hope it was closer to 75 than 25 as otherwise thats a miss too.
There is no other way to look at it other than a nerf to aliens.