Marine Vs Marine

sySTEm1 · January 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">How will it work?</div> if this topic has already been discussed and i missed it just kick me in the nads and send me on my way! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

im just wondering, how will marine vs marine work? theres no hives to take over and kill so what do we do? simply get to nme base as quick as possible and seige outside there base to keeeel it? hmmm seems shoddy to me cus both teams will just rush to nme base and build tf + seige and win :/

GWAR · January 2003

Marine Vs. Marine would be just stupid.... Too much like CS.

Alien Vs. Alien would be soooooo cool... Skulk fighting!!!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'>

Defcon · January 2003

No, it'll be made so it'll be more of "battle of the resource points" more than likely, eventually resulting in complete domination over one side. More resources = Better guns/equipment quicker
The team that wins is based on the speed of the commander/skill of the marines

Games will be balanced, as both sides will have exactly the same, those that rambo against a good team will get annihilated, with turrets/sieges prooving a useful deterant as they currently are.

Chubbieboi · January 2003

should make them fight for somfing u know somfing in the middle of the map or key points around teh map

just a suggestion

and Marine vs Marine wouldnt be like CS

BloodHound · January 2003

Where can we find more info on this Marine vs Marine mode? Where is it mentioned?

Defcon · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BloodHound @ Jan 4 2003, 05:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Where can we find more info on this Marine vs Marine mode? Where is it mentioned?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
It's not, however I think I saw flayra mention marine v marine WILL be introduced...

Supposedly it might be introduced in v1.1

RUAewok · January 2003

I guess they'll have to be different colors, and the same with the structures they'll have to be different too. One thing is I can't imagine a blue or red gorge <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='pudgy.gif'>

AcdFRe · January 2003

marine vs marine will be so stupid...unless each time has their own weapon types and abilities...that would be interesting. (Any of you who have played AvP2 know what im talking bout..Marines vs Corps)

BlueGhost · January 2003

Er, not really like CS at-all cos of the buildings.
And like all the things that make it NS not CS.

I mean the only way it would be like CS would be that its a HL mod with men with guns shooting at each other.

Oh NO! It'll be too much like FA! And, well <b>EVERY OTHER MULTIPLAYER HL MOD IN EXISTANCE</b> *sigh*

wtf would it be like CS?

BlueGhost

Y3ti · January 2003

Now Marines vs Corps in AvP2 was fuckign awesome. Marines vs marines will hafta delete siege cannons, well because ". The shape-signatures of the objects are matched against its database, and any hostile patterns are eliminated. Alien structures have been successfully added to this database" How would it tell between the two teams?

AcdFRe · January 2003

agreed, maybe the new types of marines will have some better weapon than original frontiermen?

Church · January 2003

If there are seiges in marine vs marine then the whole middle half of the map would be devoid of structures, based, and res nozles because both sides would set up seiges. Gotta get rid of seiges of nerf it even more in marines vs marine games. How about aliens vs aliens games? That might be fun. I'm trying to imagine a group of fades trying to take down an onos. (imagine a new map type sepcially for aliens vs aliens with 5 hives maybe?) I also imagine lerks being completely useless because umbra will do nothing against aliens.

Hozart1 · January 2003

I don't know about you guys, but marine vs marine sounds like bunny-hopping gunners dodging and shooting one another, hmg would be worthless due to speed, jetpacks would be somewhat useless to, as everyone has ranged weapons.

Sounds like a scenario where the 1st group of marines rush the enemy, hopefully killing the others side in a bunny hopping frenzy of pistol whipping lmg showdown. Then knifing of spawn portals.

IMO, marine vs marine would definately be a retarded way of playing, not only will it not be realistic (due to lmg damage to balance against skulks/fades), jumping will just ruin the game.

Marine vs marine will be the end of NS.

Ollj · January 2003

Marine vs Marine is known as TFC.
Alien vs Alien is known as KnifeArena.

Hozart1 · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Marine vs Marine is known as TFC.
Alien vs Alien is known as KnifeArena. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Exactly

Rbeat100 · January 2003

Im tired of hearing this
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Marine vs marine will be the end of NS. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

And as for this

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Marine vs Marine is known as TFC.
Alien vs Alien is known as KnifeArena.

Exactly </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

What a load of rubbish.

Why does change have to be the END of NS? If they do decide to let use have marine vs marine or alien vs alien, it will just add to the game!

You can still have aliens vs marines, its not going to disapear ! I mean come on people, think please.

I cant see people stoping playing NS because a new feature has been added, only thing i can see it doing is bringing more people to the game.

Well, please explain how on earth marines vs marines is going to be the death of NS. Which IMHO will never happen. How can it? If there is at least one server running NS, then its still alive.

MooMan · January 2003

Have some imagination

Mairnes vs Marines and Aliens vs Aliens Will be a GREAT adition to the mods, can just imagine a map with 6 hives, each alien team takes 3..........

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'> VS <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'>

Would be so much fun to watch/do.

And also early game would be very funny, imagine cloaked skulks ambushing lone skulks with lvl3 carapace - messy and interesting!

And then we have Marines vs Marines, say 3 double resource nodes and a good spread of other rps.

OMG - this will just be a laugh

2 HA HMGs going toe to toe <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Then there is the whole "squad" of people going and gren spam/HMG the other people outposts!

Wow, can't wait for those things!

Kelmo · January 2003

I dunno, I think it'd be fun :/

Silver_Fox · January 2003

I'm looking forward to battling witts against an enemy commander.

Aliens VS aliens will be fun as well.

for gods sake, anyone who thinks this or that will be the "end of NS!!!11oneone" needs to take off their foil pyramid hat ...

sySTEm1 · January 2003

i dont think it will be the end, it will breathe new life to ns imo. i was just curios as to how exactly they would work marine vs marine. i tottally agree that alien vs alien would be fine, territory based fighting (we want that hive gerrrof! etc). and onos v onos etc wud be great, but i was just confused cus marines v marines, ok u wud go for res points still be territory based, but as said previously? a seige in middle of map surrounded by turrets? other team are stuffed gg wp nn liek

Alitorious · January 2003

To quote MadeUpN00B92
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>OMFG N00BZ! IT WIL LBE JSUST LIKE STRACARFT LIKE TERRENS V TRENERNS! NAD JUST LKIE ZERG V ZREG!!!1!!/!/?!/!?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Personally, I'm anticipating Marines v Marines and Aliens v Aliens with extreme hopefullness. (That doesn't make sense now, does it.)
I don't think it will be like AVP2 or CS, simply because NS is, overall, a strategy game with a first person perspective. Not CS with a commander.

Yeah, I think siege would need to be totally reworked for marines v marines. But it would still be very fun.

Aliens v Aliens should be even more fun. Imagine dogfighting lerks! Skulk v Skulk! Gorges healing eachother to death! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'> In fact, late game lerk spore spamming might not be such a large problem because hives spawn all over the place. In theory, skulks may even stand a chance against onos because they can climb all over walls and things, and jump on onos back and munch munch <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'> Oh, maybe onos paralyze on skulks activates falldamage? So if you're onos, you see a skulk climbing on a roof far above you, you line up paralyze and it falls to death <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>
Oh, and for freaks of horrors, imagine two enemy fades blinking into eachother!

And for marines, JP v JP would be incredibly fun too. Two airborne shotties circling eachother, maybe one trying to weld the other <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>.

Basically, Starcraft isn't ruined just because you can pit TvT or ZvZ or PvP, and why should NS?

Edit: Lerk vs Onos may need to be completely redone, too. As in, a single lerk hidden in the rafters can spike an onos to death, wheras the onos can't do anything except paralyze it.

sySTEm1 · January 2003

i just thunk up a problem with alien v alien? what happens right, when there is 6 hives dotted around the map, what happens if both teams get spawned at hives that are closest together? liek right next to each other? that wud be a short and unintersting game now wouldnt it?

Speed_2_Dave · January 2003

I would try to join the argument, but I think they'll have finished working on marine -vs-alien before they start working on the other stuff. And when that's finished, marine-vs-marine will be a fresh change, add new strategies, and make those durn hitbox problems fair <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Try not to turn this into a flame, I enjoyed reading some of the earlier posts, but none of the later ones <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'>

Defcon · January 2003

Alot of you aren't looking at the overall picture.

Marine v. Marine will still be alot more complex than TFC and CS, tactics will be, it'll be designed so a mass rush at the start will lead to the defenders advantage (with turrets/spawn right into battle when they die)

Turrets will act as a deterant to defend zones, with phase gates and so on allowing support from around the map for your team, sure, the enemy team will take them down, obviously not to quick however.

Seraphic8X · January 2003

Ahaha, c'mon who can't admit knife battles (skulk on skulk more or less) would be totally frikkin' awesome?

But in all seriousness, I think the regular Marine vs Alien game should be balanced first before Flay begins work on a Marine v Marine or Alien v Alien gamemode.

SoulSkorpion · January 2003

Marine vs Marine would be like first-person Total Annihilation, and MAN I'd love to play that <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Kharaa vs Kharaa .... I can see it happening, but it would be very chaotic. There'd be far more strategy in MvM than normal, and far less strategy in AvA than normal. It would be kinda fun, but probably not as good. IMHO.

XHydralisk · January 2003

i've tried a mini version of marine vs marine with the current maps.

Start your own server, turn on freindly fire, and shoot each other.

The bullets only do 33% damage to marines, so it took a nice amount of bullets to take each other out, It was mad fun.

T_RAT · January 2003

yer i rekon it would be pretty dumb. why would marines kill each other?i find it more fun seeing the green blood from the aliens. if there was marine vs marine would have to be unique teams.
Though Commander on Commander would be funny to c.
would be siegefest 2003 aswell i rekon as how would u destroy turrets?

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

stop shooting your mate.

Sirus · January 2003

Strategy is the key ingredient your forgetting, making NS completely unique to everything else.

Hozart1 · January 2003

Jumping bunny hopping marines sure sounds fun, more fun then playing Counterstrike...or TFC for that matter.

Yep, sounds great. Turrets will be useless so who cares....rambo galore as one bunny hopping dodges around gunning down many, uber pistol shot speeds and lmg 50 bullets.

Man, I sure can't wait till marine vs. marine.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> vs. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> should definately replace <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> vs <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'> . Just because this alien vs marine requires teamwork, and teamwork is lame. Marine vs Marine, spawn camping from a distance, obsolete turrets..oh yeah, fun.

And 5 weapons to fight one another, haha worthless mines; hmg, dont make me laugh, I pistol you from a distance.

Marine vs Marine won't kill NS, it'll be as fun as "escape" from counterstrike (remember thoughs?).

As a matter of fact, lets just put in NS_Iceworld. With 5 nodes in marine start, and 5 nodes in kharaa start and 2 hives, and just duke it out. Sounds awesome, now we don't have to use teamwork at all and just deathmatch.

Naughty_Brembo · January 2003

Introduce a third team: A corporate-sponsored private army that competes with the marines to "liberate" the ships first, for economical reasons.

Pro: Fits into the NS universe, whereas "Marine vs Marine" does not, IMHO. The background story is so well written it would be a shame to introduce a new gamestyle that has nothing to do with it. My way, the saga can continue "...2 years after the initial alien encounter onboard USS Nancy, the Frontiersmen found themselves facing a new enemy [...] While still fighting the Kharaa infestation on numerous battlegrounds, yet others saw them forced to engage the enemy within."

Pro: The "Weyland-Yutani" team has a technology of its own, new weapons etc. Having 2 teams with different abilities fighting eachother is one of NS´s strong points, and what makes it so unique in FPS. For example, the corporate army could have developed more non-hitscan weapons, some unique cloaking and sonic warfare...feck, give´em some PHASERS!

Pro (?) : Three-way battles on the same map. Could make for some interesting allies, no? <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> Of course, there could also be strict human-on-human games.

Con: Lots and lots of hard work.

Marine Vs Marine

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