Special layer names?

BeigeAlert · August 2013

Is there a comprehensive list of all the layer names in Spark editor? ie "Vents" to mark them as vents for minimap generation.

I can't seem to find any of this information anywhere (but I KNOW I've seen it before somewhere...)

I'm done greyboxing my map but am having pathing problems with drifters, macs, and cysts, etc. etc. I know there's a layer you can put collision geo on but I don't remember the name.

killer monkey · August 2013

You put collision geometry into CollisionGeometry its case sensitive aswell

BeigeAlert · August 2013

Thanks! We need to get all the special names on the wiki... it's pretty useless as it is now.

BeigeAlert · August 2013

I've got a base that's situated on top of a grating, but when in commander view, trying to place buildings, depending on where your mouse is, sometimes buildings will be beneath the grating, I guess because the mouse is over a transparent part of the texture. How can I get it to only place buildings on top of the grating?

I've tried creating duplicate polygons of the faces from the grating, changing the texture, then adding that to "CollisionGeometry" and "CommanderBuild" layers, but that made no difference.

EDIT: Figured it out!

It seems that if the polygons are just duplicates, it doesn't work! But by every so slighty shifting upwards the ones in the "CommanderBuild" layer, it suddenly works. (I shifted up by 1.0, maybe less works?)

Krozu · August 2013

You could try making the surface under the grating CommanderNoBuild (or whatever the layer is called)
Don't think it fixes your problem, but its worth a try.

BeigeAlert · August 2013

I actually did try that. It stopped stuff from being built down there, but still didn't provide a consistent building surface up top, still sort of flickered when you moved your mouse over it.

Krozu · August 2013

Any chance you can upload your map? I can't see anything wrong with grates when i build on top of them. (just zip it, .level files aren't allowed to be uploaded)
In case you can't upload, what exact grate are you using?

Flaterectomy · August 2013

CommanderNoBuild, CollisionGeometry, OcclusionGeometry need to be groups, not layers. Well, I would put collision and occlusion in their own layer as well, but it's groups and not layers that makes them function.

AFAIK, the only specifically named layer that affects the game is 'vents' in order to make vents orange on the minimap.

BeigeAlert · August 2013

OH! OH OH OH! I didn't even know groups were a thing! I see it now, the menu was hidden. I thought "groups" was just a word they were throwing around interchangeably with "layers". Thank you so much!

killer monkey · August 2013

Also for that grate thing, use a texture not a model

Blasphemy · August 2013

Hint for faster mapping: F7 opens Layers menu, F8 does Groups.

[AwE]Sentinel · August 2013

I whish there would be a group to make non-collideable faces for some gras or spider web like details (and secret rooms, pshhhhh!)

Flaterectomy · August 2013

Yeah, func_illusionary-like fuctionality (what an awesome phrase) would be very welcome. Also, a group for invisible geometry that aliens cannot walk or roost on. NoStickGeometry?

EDIT: Aliens are not alies.

[AwE]Sentinel · August 2013

Yes, that would be very handy for making outdoor maps.

Jonacrab · September 2013

NonCollisionGeometry will make geometry passable, but there is no group for not allowing aliens to stick to some geometry. Also groups will probably go away at some point, we want to make it all on layers instead, but haven't gotten around to it.

CommanderInvisibleVents is one not a lot of people know about, it was added pretty recently. It allows vents that are invisible to the commander, but still render orange on the minimap, although the geometry still has to be part of the "vents" layer to make it orange.

[AwE]Sentinel · September 2013

Awesome, have to test it out

Thx for the info!

minsci · September 2013

CommanderInvisibleVents, that seems to make those parts of vents invisible to everyone.. or I'm just doing something wrong.

edit: Well at least if you have been in command station or hive

BeigeAlert · September 2013

Jonacrab wrote: »

NonCollisionGeometry will make geometry passable, but there is no group for not allowing aliens to stick to some geometry. Also groups will probably go away at some point, we want to make it all on layers instead, but haven't gotten around to it.

CommanderInvisibleVents is one not a lot of people know about, it was added pretty recently. It allows vents that are invisible to the commander, but still render orange on the minimap, although the geometry still has to be part of the "vents" layer to make it orange.

I made another thread about drifters being able to "jump" into vents directly above them... do you think this will help solve that problem? I don't want to use it yet if what minsci says is correct: that they're invisible to anyone who has been in the hive or cc at one point.

Jonacrab · September 2013

CommanderInvisibleVents, that seems to make those parts of vents invisible to everyone.. or I'm just doing something wrong.

ya looks like theres a bug there, I will report it to the other devs.

Special layer names?

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