My Gripes Of 1.04

Hozart1 · January 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">**** Grenade Launcher</div> I was playing 1.04, the new one, on GWB. This was the lamest game of NS I've ever played. All because of the grenade launcher.

It was NS nothing, we took over powersilo then took over viaduct. All is well, marines try to attack viaduct, kill them there, then they make there main base at cargo bay foyer.

Here comes the <span style='color:red'>***</span>

About 40 minutes of playing, about 4 fades die every 6 minutes...against grenades that do awesome damnage and great range, even thru walls.

The marines got smart and started equiping almost everyone with grenade launchers, if you rush the grenadier, he'll just blow himself up along with you and all of your comrades.

Right now, I'm done playing NS till the grenade launcher crap gets fixed, you don't believe the grenade launcher is overpowered, go play on GWB's two servers. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'>

Marines probably think they're fine, not only do they kill fades, they kill everything in there way, only through extreme force can you kill them.

It takes four grenades to kill an Onos now, full gl clip, so I'm done playing.

CForrester · January 2003

Good riddance.

T_RAT · January 2003

I can see where u r coming from. Im sure thats why they cost so much because u can t give em to every 1 unless u have enough res points.
If every 1 had one that would suk!!!!
Yea we took down a onos today with Gren launcher hehe.

masterswordman · January 2003

If your done playing, why do you post. Get over it, where in the hell have you seen a big caboose launcher that shoots something as big as a bullet and is barely visible that does 100 damage. ( That made no sense). I think that if they up the damage it does they should at least make them bigger. I presonally don't like getting killed as a fade with a really tiny gernade <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>.

Sirus · January 2003

Don't run into a room with a bunch of naders. Your acting like theres no possible solution to marines with grenade launchers.

masterswordman · January 2003

Say the rear end word and it comes out as caboose

see caboose!!

Bobbyfat · January 2003

Ok just because he stops playing the game doesn't mean he has to stop posting on the forum.

SemperFi · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (+Hozart @ +Jan 6 2003, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Here comes the gayness...
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omg liek evarythng is ****!!!! G4YY!!!@$!@$$$%$ OMFOMFOMGOFMOMGOFMG **** **** ****

Seriously grow the frick up. If you consider calling someone or somethings sexual preferance questionable, an insult then you are an ignorant little fool.

NinjaBurger · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (masterswordman @ Jan 6 2003, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Get over it, where in the hell have you seen a big caboose launcher that shoots something as big as a bullet and is barely visible that does 100 damage. ( That made no sense). I think that if they up the damage it does they should at least make them bigger.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
You can accept alien beings that morph into dredlock-wearing hippos. You can accept nanotechnological infantry portals magically reincarnating marines. You can accept an alien Hivemind that speaks English (Now we donce).

But you can't accept itty-bitty grenades?

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KMGor · January 2003

The range is to large with the damage it currently has, at least in my opinion. I think either the range should be big with lower damage, or smaller range with higher damage - not both. I haven't played A LOT with the new GL, but as is it's often more useful then an HMG - which it SHOULD NOT be.

bokko · January 2003

Right, why dont we make bile bombs do 200 damage as well?
I think we need to tweak this, it's quite sad that spam is encouraged.

Hozart1 · January 2003

Okay, so maybe I over-reacted a bit about the grenades and quitting the game, I'd never quit NS.

But grenades are still ****, and there explosion radius keeps everything aways..plus, the grenadier slowly pushes forward, anything that tries to stop them will die.

Of course, marine players say "Oh, dont run into grenades then", but <span style='color:red'>***</span> grenade spam, how the hell do you push forward, camp?!

Grenade spam rapes too much now, pain in the caboose to blink about 30 feet from a grenade still taking massive damage, then die from an hmg...or another grenade.

Nicator · January 2003

Actually, I quite like the power of the grenades. It should, over time, encourage marines to get up close and personal and actually <b>use blink and claws</b>. Try it, you may well not have realised how good it is.

NinjaBurger · January 2003

I think instead of making them smaller they should get bigger. Just make one big huge grenade and when they launch it, it kills everyone in the game.

UhOh · January 2003

Speaks his mind and gets flamed, must be the NS forums indeed. Also been playing on Joes server with the 1.04b patch (Joes servers ROCK!). Last game i played just a bit ago, GL's were taking out up to 4 fades at a time, through walls, there is no blocking, the range of the blast is truely outragous, it is near impossible to run away from teh blast once you hear the *tink tink tink* of them hitting the ground. The dammage is obscene from what ive seen since yesterday and is NOT reduced by range away from the center of blast: kills fully upgraded Ohnos in 4 grenades (one clip or a few seconds of firing). Kills fully upgraded (carapace+3) fades in 2 grenades, was killing skulks lerks and gorges in one grenade. Walls of lame fall in one clip.

This would be like getting bile bomb at 2 hives, or spores at 2 hives. Die hard marine players will of course see no problem with the GL, after all what could they care how they win long as they do, well there gonna end up playing aliens alot more since alot of the die hard skulkers are gonna say C-Ya.

Dev Team, i can understand cutting the nuts off the fade, he was a pretty bad azz hombre, but did you have to give the marines a portable Siege cannon that cost so little? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='siege.gif'>

Flame away if you want, but why dont you go try playing the 1.04 patch for a bit as marine and alien before you do.

NinjaBurger · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UhOh @ Jan 6 2003, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The dammage is obscene from what ive seen since yesterday and is NOT reduced by range away from the center of blast: kills fully upgraded Ohnos in 4 grenades (one clip or a few seconds of firing).</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
From my perspective, damage not being reduced with range is bad.

However, I think Onos should be killable with a full clip of grenades. As it stands, Onos are nigh unstoppable once they appear, and as a marine, I would like the small comfort of knowing that if there are Onos in my base, I have a chance at killing them.

(Unrelated - this is my 100th post. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'> )

Hozart1 · January 2003

Actually, I use blink more then most ppl.

But you can't blink very well in Cargo Bay Foyer (ns_nothing), and grenade explosion goes thru walls, well, those walls in particular.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Seriously grow the frick up. If you consider calling someone or somethings sexual preferance questionable, an insult then you are an ignorant little fool. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Errr....where'd did this come from? I honestly have nothing against..errr...(homophobics?), <span style='color:red'><b>***NUKED***</b> Words like that are not allowed on these forums.</span> and what not. If I offended you, sorry.

And UhOh, at least you see what I mean, everyone else here seems a bit...errr..oblivious/marine-biased.

Weedkiller · January 2003

While I too think Onos should not be unkillable, it should take more than just one clip of grenades. It should take several marines working together to take one down, especially with all of the bad things about being an Onos.

Forlorn · January 2003

I have never played 1.04 [EDIT]With upgraded grenade values[/EDIT], but at least I can do my math.

Grenade lauchers are the strongest marine weapon, they should be able to kill fades.

They cannot however, kill onos's in one clip, esp. if the onos has carapace.

Also, grenade lauchers aren't cheap at all....

They cost 33 a whack, start with no ammo, and, unless you have HA with gren. lauchers you cannot use them to kill skulks near you without blowing yourself sky high.

So the only effective way to use grenade lauchers is HA/Gren. which costs 25+33 = 58 per marine.

Not to mention reasearch and research time...

Gimme a break grenade lauchers unfair is the biggest bunch of garbage I have heard of.

niaccurshi · January 2003

I never liked the way grenades were used in a carpet bombing nade spam before, seemed so skilless and...just plain boring that I got off on a bad foot with nades. You're not painting a pretty picture for my hopes in 1.04 here :/

-Lee

BlueGhost · January 2003

I thought that was the WHOLE POINT.

They nerf the siege and boost the 'nades? (I dunno this for sure, letting you poor mugs play-test the game as its developed <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> )

Are you now bitching that its overpowerd and there is no way you can beat nade launchers? Have you tried skulk rushing them?

Incedently whats the new nader like with FF on?

BlueGhost

Sirus · January 2003

heres the solution for any aliens who have trouble taking out marines. GET silence, and go from BEHIND! Don't jump in front of them and say "0mfg Hax0rZ ! W3 N33d t0 n3rf thi5! H3 K1lled meh!"

niaccurshi · January 2003

I can't believe the ignorance of some of you. The only place I see grenade launchers being used is in the following places...

at a phase gate with tf and turrets (plural, half a dozen) with the nader in HA being welded at the front.

OR

at a base with two entrances.

Excuse me for thinking the back route is slightly covered in both senario's here. I know the one thing I don't like about the nade spamming in 1.03 is the only place it actually takes place in are the areas where you can't do anything but force through the blast...and it ALWAYS creates a stalemate.

Why be so ignorant with the know it all comments like "oh go around the back n00b"

Take bast, if you want to skulk rush the HA/GLer in there, do you know how hard it is right now? If you go through the revolving door it is heard, and is covered. meanwhile the GLer stands by an armoury and spams two locations, one means that anyone in the little side vent into base gets damaged, reguardless of there being a wall in the way or not, and one is on top of the lift, meaning anything that is coming up the ladder is caught through the solid metal of the lift on its way up.

It's not as simple as "going around the back" with such balatant carpet bombing when the bomber knows that anything that is near...regardless of a solid object shielding it or not is near by...will get hurt severely.

go from behind as a skulk my arse...this guy has played the game and is putting in his comments. Let other people post here wether they agree or not, if we see so many people...even (shock horror) those so smart as to "go around the back"...claiming the nades are simply halting the aliens possibilities of doing anything..then surely we'd have to take that as a good sign that the nades are pretty damn powerful, possibly too much?

-Lee

M_Sinistre · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I have never played 1.04,</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Stop right there. If you havent played 1.04 yet youve no room to speak in this thread. Grenade Launchers have been upgraded to Thermo-Nuclear Status. Its crazy. It is seriously unfair and theres no way to stop it now.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>heres the solution for any aliens who have trouble taking out marines. GET silence, and go from BEHIND! Don't jump in front of them and say "0mfg Hax0rZ ! W3 N33d t0 n3rf thi5! H3 K1lled meh!" </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Cant be done, the nade spammers move in groups of 3 trillian, and since theres no team damage on most servers, they just let nades fly like theres no tommorow. Occasionally one of them will kill themselves, everyone will laugh, but thats about it. Theres still 4 more taking his spot, eagerly NUKING the rest of your team.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>So the only effective way to use grenade lauchers is HA/Gren. which costs 25+33 = 58 per marine.

Not to mention reasearch and research time...

Gimme a break grenade lauchers unfair is the biggest bunch of garbage I have heard of. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Research time isnt even an issue. You can get nades same time as HMG, and just about any commander will have it before, or right as, aliens get the second hive. Thus making the second hive a big pile of worthless fade droppings. And 58 per marine may seem like alot, but when they give them to unarmored marines, this drops it to 33, and resources come in fast enough that its not even an issue. I played 3 different maps in 1.04 so far, and all 3 times, the marines have beat the crap out of the aliens because Grenades, er I really mean portable nukes, are just too damn strong to touch. And before you say acid rocket can kill the unarmored marines, it takes like 8 acid rockets to do it, which by the time you get 3 or 4 off, you're toast.

Hozart1 · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>heres the solution for any aliens who have trouble taking out marines. GET silence, and go from BEHIND! Don't jump in front of them and say "0mfg Hax0rZ ! W3 N33d t0 n3rf thi5! H3 K1lled meh!" </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

.....Have you ever hard of motion tracking; you know, the wall hack, which grenadiers spam grenades as your going there, thus you blow up unexpected from small-huge radius grenades? Silence does nothing, and frankly, is worthless.

rebo · January 2003

I can see where the devs are comming from, a decent GL will counter umbra / web + fade which in 1.03 IS a game ender. Altho obviously the level has to be set correctly. I feel damage has to be the same or less as 1.03, but it has to be easier/more predictable to use, im thinking something along the line of the demomans pipe launcher in TFC. Now thats a great weapon and is fairly balanced (i.e you need lots of skill to use it well).

Hozart1 · January 2003

Kilmster,

Not only do the marine fight back fades, they fight back ARMIES of aliens, including lerks, fades, skulks, gorges....well, all two hive aliens and onos. Oh, that's everything. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'>

So yes, I guess I am weeping for the armies of alien loss to a single grenade spam. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'>

M_Sinistre · January 2003

Well, since we know that nades are too powerfuly howabout we stop posting about it and try to post a solution, such as this:

Instead of having the nades go thermal nuclear and blow up anything thats on the map from anywhere, make it not able to go through walls... thats where most of the problem lies. I cant tell you howmany times Ive gotten killed from a nade thats around two corners *but still very close to where I am* blow me back into the stonage and then some.

Sirus · January 2003

1st. </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
heres the solution for any aliens who have trouble taking out marines. GET silence, and go from BEHIND! Don't jump in front of them and say "0mfg Hax0rZ ! W3 N33d t0 n3rf thi5! H3 K1lled meh!" </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Cant be done, the nade spammers move in groups of 3 trillian, and since theres no team damage on most servers, they just let nades fly like theres no tommorow. Occasionally one of them will kill themselves, everyone will laugh, but thats about it. Theres still 4 more taking his spot, eagerly NUKING the rest of your team.
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Understand ! Do not let them know your there! Silence = no footsteps. Behind = behind their back.
What do you think is going to happen? A skulk is fast and can climb walls, add silence and he's a killer in the hands of someone who avoids using direct confrontations to eliminate his opponents. Pretty damn cheap at 2 res also.

3 Grenade launcher marines should not last long. They simply have no defense, sure plenty of offense but what are they supposed to do when something is nipping at their heels from behind?

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I can't believe the ignorance of some of you. The only place I see grenade launchers being used is in the following places...

at a phase gate with tf and turrets (plural, half a dozen) with the nader in HA being welded at the front.

OR

at a base with two entrances.
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I could have sworn last game we took a team of 3 HMG/ + HA 1 GL/HA into a hive, but im sorry i must be mistaken i was probably in a drunken stuper while i was commanding.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Why be so ignorant with the know it all comments like "oh go around the back n00b"
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Didn't say "noob", although a moronic statement deserves a legitimate strategy, i don't appreciate you taking my legitimate and valid suggestion , however the context you may have understood it, and tearing it up into a flame.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>go from behind as a skulk my arse...this guy has played the game and is putting in his comments. Let other people post here wether they agree or not, if we see so many people...even (shock horror) those so smart as to "go around the back"...claiming the nades are simply halting the aliens possibilities of doing anything..then surely we'd have to take that as a good sign that the nades are pretty damn powerful, possibly too much?
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I'm so sick and tired of people claiming that things are simply "not fair" or "too powerful". How dare someone use simplistic strategies in a FPS/RTS game. This is not CS or any other lame wanna-be deathmatch game. Just because something is strong, or difficult to deal with, does not mean its "not fair".
These so-called player experiences are nothing more than a person who had a rough time in a game because he couldnt deal with the grenade launchers.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>And before you say acid rocket can kill the unarmored marines, it takes like 8 acid rockets to do it, which by the time you get 3 or 4 off, you're toast. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Your right, the only attack the fade has is acid rocket. Since blink/swipe is really just there to keep the 1st and 3rd slot happy.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Take bast, if you want to skulk rush the HA/GLer in there, do you know how hard it is right now? If you go through the revolving door it is heard, and is covered. meanwhile the GLer stands by an armoury and spams two locations, one means that anyone in the little side vent into base gets damaged, reguardless of there being a wall in the way or not, and one is on top of the lift, meaning anything that is coming up the ladder is caught through the solid metal of the lift on its way up</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> Let me get this right? Your complaining because they're defending their base with 81 res (armory included) and they stopping you from attacking? Last time I checked there was roughly 4-5 entrances in bast, count each vent. It would take the whole team to block you off. Once again, just because its hard to deal with doesnt mean its impossible.

Here we go guys. This is the best advice. "Not Everything Can Be Solved By Power, Just because you cant overpower someone doesn't mean they're 'invincible', everything has a weak point"

Remember to use your brain, if we need senseless destruction we would all play deathmatch games."

P.S. Have you played marines? You do know that it's hard to constantly spin in circles in preparation for a hit in the back. Especially if your attention is demanded at the supposed "pouring of effort" from the front line.

READ: ALL OF THE ABOVE IS BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES WHEN DEALING WITH PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING
I HAVE PLAYED BOTH COMMANDER, GRUNT , ALIEN , GORGE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE TIMES.

Fina · January 2003

I played in a 1.04b server today and the Grenade Launchers could infact hurt you through walls. It's probably something Flayra should look into. It happened worse in the curved hallways outside of the Satelite hive on Tantlih.

UhOh · January 2003

Ok, lets try this from a different angle, no more post yet, well start new threads, all of those with the brilliant idea about what us n00b's on the beta 1.04 servers are obviously screwing up should go play 1.04b and show us how its done. Common, shut yer traps, whip out that invincible member and head to the beta testing servers, lets go, put up or shut up time. No more talk, go give it a whirle since your so glad to see it, obviously nobody is convincing anybody of anything so this will take the hands on approach. Go ye badasses, get ye rear end to the beta servers and give ol 1.04b a whirl, test it for a few hours (about 1 or 2 games worth from what ive seen), try both sides, No serriously get off your marine butts and go play as a bug for a while. Come back tommorow durring your work hours and post on the forums about what you think, lets hear first hand experience of the argueing sides. Enough of those expereinced in the 1.04b posting and the FanBoyeez who can never find a 1.04b server flaming them to infinity. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'>

Now excuse me im off to prostate myself on joe's forums to beg for a roll back to 1.03.

My Gripes Of 1.04

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