What happened to the "Feedback Forum" iniative
Yojimbo
England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
Following on from another thread
http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/comment/2292367/#Comment_2292367
What happened to this, it was a fantastic iniative where the community could present ideas which were much needed and wanted for NS2, there was some fantastic ideas being upvoted during the time PDT was first formed and circa Phase 1 then the whole thing went quiet?
NS2 needed this as it provided a clear bridge between UWE & the community which is SORELY needed. It's pretty disappointing that this was never kept on top of and may have contributed to the mood / atmosphere of the community as of late.
http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/comment/2292367/#Comment_2292367
What happened to this, it was a fantastic iniative where the community could present ideas which were much needed and wanted for NS2, there was some fantastic ideas being upvoted during the time PDT was first formed and circa Phase 1 then the whole thing went quiet?
NS2 needed this as it provided a clear bridge between UWE & the community which is SORELY needed. It's pretty disappointing that this was never kept on top of and may have contributed to the mood / atmosphere of the community as of late.
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They could not have more perfectly done the opposite of the latter.
Examples?
+ ranged spores (comp mod)
+ cyst hp scaling (comp mod)
+ focus
+ flame thrower rate of fire
+ MG (comp mod)
+ silence/cloak split (comp mod)
+ silence to shift hive
+ power node built time w/o welder
+ onos gore damage
+ exo changes (comp mod)
+ gorge webs changes
+ gorge babbler changes
But, yeah, lets just ignore all of those things and mindlessly parrot bullshit.
That isn't even the half of it. They've done a ton of things directly from the list. Just look at the highly voted items on the "closed" list and you'll find a lot of stuff that was either added or tried.
Well, HMG is not the same as in Comp Mod and webs are even worse now. Also the bad cloak upgrade is still in the game (vampirism) and Exo ROF is a pretty bad chnage too imo. But other than that, yes, those changes are good.
But should we forget about all the other terrible changes because some have been good?
Unfortunately the negative impact of the bad changes is much bigger than the positive impact of the good changes.
Sometimes I wonder if us two are even playing the same game.
/peace
These changes UWE has made independently of what the community is posting on the feedback forum. They had more a plan they have followed and by some luck, some people wrote the same ideas which were part of their plan.
If you want to know how much UWE is caring about the existing ns2 community, here is a snippet from Charlie Cleveland about my consumer complaint:
"There is a constant back-and-forth between serving our current community and looking beyond that to growing it. We've learned the hard way that if we only do what our community asks for, the game stagnates and shrinks - so we must try to "zoom out" and see NS2 in a longer-term view."
OKAY
There is no such thing as "the ns2 community". You probably complained, because of the server filter and you think that he doesn't care about you and the >24slot servers, but in the same way I could claim, that he didn't care about my opinion that anything above 18 slots is not playable, because of performance and balance issues.
Rofl. When did he do that? But yea, he is a king, the king of wooza community. A community that is pretty large.
I always said that some changes are good, they have listened to and do actively listen to feedback, off course its not there fault that some feedback is stupid, or its the 1000th time someone has said the same thing. Most of the changes have come from feedback and ideas from here.
Now back to the Jokes...
Because refusing to respond to any negative feedback about it and cherry-picking the positive ones is listening right?
No but your right, they technically gave their reasons at first, but they haven't given any reasons as to why they are still going through with it after all the counter-arguments were made.
There have been a lot of great changes lately (health bars, webs, new tutorials and training modes) and a few of stinkers (removing atmospheric lighting, some of the new alien upgrades, awkward art pass on the machine gun) but the fact that the game is churning through changes so rapidly gives me a lot of hope. Developers that don't care wouldn't iterate so heavily on a game this old, they would have moved on. And that's what keeps me coming back every few weeks.
That's the real reason everyone should stop moaning. They're doing it largely in their own time.
Sometimes it is toxicity, but sometimes it is loudness. I'd like to point out that those two aren't the same thing.
The issues are that some of the changes that you do perceive as 'great' aren't necessarily perceived similarly by other community members. I find their devotion a good thing. They express their opinions on a game they have, for the most, been playing for months and years now.
You can't claim all the current changes to the game are positive for everyone. Neither can you say they're all bad.
lol
Nonsense. The world revolves around me and only my opinions matter, as I clearly stated in that post you quoted.
Edit: ^ sarcasm. Clearly my claim is meant only to reflect my opinions, I'm not going to stick an IMO disclaimer in front of every sentence I type.
@Stardog The CDT doesn't really exist anymore. UWE hired several members of the CDT. UWE is paying for NS2's development for the last 6 months.
Dedicated yet slightly bonkers
Contributors? There are people who still give their contribute to the game for free. I did not say there were not. People did this before the CDT even existed.
You'd be amazed how difficult it is to hear constructive criticism in a huge croud of wailing whining bi-- Adult babies.