Experimental 51864+ will have...experimental...i/O optimizations. Please test.
Obraxis
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Hi all.
The next build on Experimental (51864+) will include some new I/O optimizations. If you are running the game on a traditional mechanical spinning HardDrive especially, please give it a shot. It may help quite a lot, it might not help at all. We need to find out if there are any improvements.
Specifically, make sure you're on the Experimental Steam beta branch, then look at the top right of your screen and make sure your number is 51864 and above. It's just being deployed to steam as I type so should arrive in about 40 mins from this post.
We need as much feedback from as many types of systems. Specifically, if you notice any improvement with hitching moving around the world, loading objects/creatures/terrain etc.
Thanks
The next build on Experimental (51864+) will include some new I/O optimizations. If you are running the game on a traditional mechanical spinning HardDrive especially, please give it a shot. It may help quite a lot, it might not help at all. We need to find out if there are any improvements.
Specifically, make sure you're on the Experimental Steam beta branch, then look at the top right of your screen and make sure your number is 51864 and above. It's just being deployed to steam as I type so should arrive in about 40 mins from this post.
We need as much feedback from as many types of systems. Specifically, if you notice any improvement with hitching moving around the world, loading objects/creatures/terrain etc.
Thanks
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Again, I know this is a hiccup to an otherwise larger problem and as so far does not impact what we're trying to test. But I had to post this since this is the first severe video issue I've come across in Subnautica ever, and my game has always looked great regardless of the build. (And as I've mentioned above, I honestly can't play the game with such weird graphics issues as this, regardless of how little it might appear in game).
EDIT: Nope, I take it back... I can't play it in this state honestly.
@Obraxis Do you want system specs included with feedback? Thanks!
-- Feedback --
Experimental V.51910
System Specs: CPU-Z Report
So far, most of the problems I've been having have been addressed. The game is performing better than it has in a long time for me. I was able to go to the mushroom forest, which the flora still pops in, but it's very very quick to load than previously before. I can still see the edges of where the flora on the ground is per each cell, but loads in quickly after reaching the distance threshold. Still getting slight freezes time to time, but rather than freezing for 15 seconds, it's more like 1-2 seconds, and happens much less frequently. There are some graphical issues I've noticed, such as smoke from vents being visible in the Cyclops, as well as overlaying over my UI while piloting the Cyclops, as well as the lights being visible while sleeping (eyes shutting) in bed. The structures from the Aurora still slightly pop in for me, but again, very very quick to load otherwise.
Loading my save does take a long time however. It doesn't immediately go to the load screen, rather, it locks up for a few minutes before the loading screen comes along. This never used to happen.
Also, did you guys intentionally remove the thermometer? I notice the UI for crafting is much better, just curious if it was intentionally removed.
All in all, whatever you guys are doing, it's working very well. I can safely say this is the most stable Subnautica has ever been running on my system. I give my seal of approval.
Now as I stroll about leisurely on the surface of the ocean or underwater, there is very few events of these issues happening. Popup occurs less frequently, and transitions between biomes appear to be seamless. So far I've only encountered one issue of popup when a Large Wreck in the Blood Kelp zone suddenly appeared with some minor lag, but even going around the Aurora and the Crash Zone has not yielded any problems. I can tell that the hard drive LED indicator doesn't light up as often as before, and overall the game seems to be running much sweeter!
EDIT: I decided to test the limits and patrol around the Mushroom Forest, which in the past has caused a number of performance issues for majority of players in the past. While I can say the FPS runs slower there than the rest of the game still... there is a signigicant improvement in the gameplay overall! There's fewer hiccups and again the game doesn't bog down like it did in the past. Kudos, dev team! Whatever you guys are doing in the game keep it up! I can already tell a better performance than in the past six months - I know you guys will strive to get things working better and better! And again, sorry for the previous post... I kinda overreacted to the distortion issue. I'll stay on Experimental mode and ignore the other issues, since you guys will be pushing more updates to it over the next few days and such.
Thanks again for all of your work! You guys rock!
None of the above is happening I completely have the best experience thank you so much devs I'm living the dream right now
Medium resolution is okay but still few lags when loading the map.
A really good improvement, keep up the good work
Glad to hear the experimental update seems to be helping people so far.
EDIT: OK I'm running a GTX 1070 so I have everything maxed out. It's running much more smoothly, a few minutes driving around fast and no big freezes like before, although it may be too soon to tell. However I am still getting some pop-up, not as bad as before but the wreck in the Grassy Plateaus to the NE popped up 50m in front of me both on my way to the Mountain Island and on the way back - I saw a couple of patches of shimmering light and then *pop* there's the wreck.
It's definitely better though.
I had to go to work today, but upon returning I decided to investigate my issues. Based on what @Obraxis said, I decided to try rolling back my drivers from the most current ones, to a set that had previously worked in the past. My current system has an nVidia GeFore 650ti, and was running ver. 384.94 (Jul 24 2017). I uninstalled it and loaded 382.33 (May 22 2017) and rebooted the system. (I see they have a beta 385.12 (Jul 31 2017) but I'm not keen to try it yet.) When loading Subnautica Experimental again, there was an update: I'm now on Aug-27 51925 version... I don't know if the issue was fixed from the older 51864 build or the 382.33 driver... but CHECK IT OUT NOW!
My game has returned to me!
I'll likely upgrade the video drivers once the new Stable update has hit, but for now I'll keep things as they are. In the meantime if it was a change to the game's engine instead of the driver, KUDOS to whoever contributed to the 51925 build! I'm sooo happy I can play the game without getting frustrated at my broken HUD. You developers at UWE, keep up the fight! We're all in this together!
Please try and see if your hitching has reduced (especially using the seamoth) in the latest Experimental build.
* Running at top-speed across the surface yielded no lag. I know this may seem counter-intuitive, but with only 4GB of system memory, I would lag when crossing biomes even when nothing changed in my visual range (as I presumed assets and such had to load around me).
* Running at top-speed underwater also seems to run much smoother as well. I got a ping for Lifepod 17 and took the opportunity to explore the nearby Large Wreck for goodies. In the past I would have hitching as the Wreck tried to load doodads moving around, and occasionally would just... vanish(!) while moving around inside. (Those times were hilarious, as the internal doodads just floated in midwater, supported by nothing at all... ha!)
* Speaking of the Wreck, I swam around it and inside it, and was pleased to find I couldn't notice any hitching or hiccups when going in and out of the access tubes. Everything there looks to be fine with me.
* I stumbled across the Underwater Islands by chance early on, and decided to roam about the area there. I was delighted to find Diamonds there (and chuckled when the PDA announced our debt is far more painful now than before) but also Stasis Rifle Fragments! I usually only found one total on the Floating Island near the base, and that sadly wasn't always 100% chance to find. As for performance, swimming around the Bonesharks and terrain didn't seem to cause any issues, and I didn't have any problems when going deep and exploring the trenches and caves.
* I decided to travel into the Grand Reef and Deep Grand Reef and test out the performance there (caveat: I had to turn on NODAMAGE cheat, as at this point my Seamoth has just the Mark I Pressure Compensator). I've never had much issue with the Grand Reef, and I do like how it's easier to navigate now with the fog change. The Grand Reef performs well enough when travelling around at Seamoth speeds, and for the most part runs as well as before. However, there are still hitching issues when travelling around the Deep Grand Reef at Seamoth speeds. It's likely a similar issue with the Mushroom Forest, where the FPS takes a hit due to having to draw all of the terrain and assets and keep them loaded in memory. But I should point out that the zone still performs better than it had for me in the past.
* As a final thing, I decided to travel into the Void and check out the changes there. I must say I was pleasantly surprised to see the threat added to the Void, and I promptly died after my Seamoth was sacked and I was devoured whole by the threat. The design and sound are superb... my only suggestion is that when it spawns in the Void and is tracking you down, perhaps add some creepy/disturbing music to play to let you know you're doomed? Maybe Simon could add just a touch of desperation to the encounter.
All in all, I'm still pleased with the changes. The game is running much tighter and smoother now, and performance is closser to when I started playing back in July 2016. I'm happy to see the game working better, and also that my personal issue with the game was with nVidia itself and not something within the game. (Thanks, @Obraxis!) Keep on being awesome, devs!
- Open Steam, go to your Library
- Find Subnautica in the list on the left
- Right-click, select Properties
- In the Properties window, click the BETAS tab on the far right
- There's a drop-down menu called "Select the beta you would like to opt into:"
- If it is not already set to Experimental, click the drop-down menu and select that option
- The change will save automatically
- The update for me was 2.9gb, and the first status was "queued" as it allocated space for the download
Apparently I have a super-fast connection because the download took less than 10 minutes for me.
My computer is modest in terms of power, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays now.
p.s. Thanks to @Tarkannen for the super-detailed gameplay reports!
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je trouve le jeux un peux plus fluide reste encore des lags !
Ensuite ,l’icône de nourriture et d'eau disparait a cause du mouvement du bras en nage ( En plongé )
Hello all
I find the game a bit more fluid still lags still!
Then, the icon of food and water disappears because of the movement of the arm in swim (Dropped)
touche F8 le tableau de Gauche disparait aussi ,
Key F8 the Left table also disappears,
With that said, you can try rolling back your nVidia drivers. @Tarkannen said he got his working correctly using version 382.33 (May 22 2017)
Cela étant dit, vous pouvez essayer de recharger vos pilotes nVidia. @Tarkannen a déclaré avoir travaillé correctement en utilisant la version 382.33 (22 mai 2017)
i7-6500U
Nvidia 940MX/Intel HD 520 (Switchable graphics Via optimus)
12 GB Ram
Game is installed on standard 1TB HDD, though i tried installing the game via iSCSI to my home server, and my network managed to keep up streaming the game terrain data flawlessy, even over wifi.
The next update will have a workaround for noVideo's error.
Core i3 6100
HD 530 Intel Graphics
8G DDR4-2133
1 TB Western Digital Blue HD
Game settings: 1366x768 resolution, recommended graphics, medium water.
The game still has pop-in-- about as much as before, but the framerate seems smoother. I can't say for certain that it IS smoother because I'm not running benchmarks on this rig, but it feels like the FPS have definitely increased. The Mushroom Forest will probably always have pop-in for me, but where the pop-in used to be fairly quickly-but-sequentially, now it happens fairly quickly in big chunks.
Bottom line: Whatever y'all are doing, it's working to improve the experience. I'll let you know if running at 1080p is possible.
Unrelated, but I hate hate hate hate hate the way the Seamoth handles now.
Best bet is to get an SSD and put your OS + Subnautica on it. I'm running a similar setup (i5-6600, HD 530, 16GB RAM, 2 TB WD spinny disk) - difference is, I also have a 250GB Samsung 850 Evo SSD with the OS and a few games on it. (Be sure to move the storage location for your download, documents, videos, pictures, and music to the spinny disk to save room on the SSD, the more room they have, the faster they are.)
It might fix the problem, but I'm not on Experimental so I can't say for sure.
I think you misunderstand me-- I'm fine with the way the game runs; the only thing I'm complaining about is the Seamoth's new handling (seriously, why does it do that??). Feedback from spinny HDs was requested though, so I gave it. I'm fine with some pop-in (except where Reapers are concerned, but that is extremely rare for me).
FWIW, the only reason I don't have an SSD (or a video card, for that matter) is because although I can afford the expense, I cannot justify the expense. (I'm waiting until I finish some writing, edit it into a publishable state, and make at least enough money to have some left over after buying both. By the time that happens, though, 1.0 will definitely be out, and possibly the expansion too.)
What's the change with the Seamoth?
No it doesnt. We've made a work-around fix ourselves.
Ahh..., well I guess it's not likely then that they will do anything about it till the game is officially released.
poopies...
While moving, whenever you turn in a new direction, it tries to go back in the previous direction for about a second before giving up.