Speed! New Research May Startle You.

Kitsune · January 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Go on a diet, fattie!</div> I've just finished performing delicate scientific experiments involving running south from the far north end of the horseshoe in Eclipse and counting until I hit the south wall, then run back north and repeat until I got a consistent result. Here are the pinpoint-accurate results I got.

LA marine with only a knife - 8.25
LA marine with spawn equip - 8.75
LA marine with full LMG, pistol ammo - 9
LA marine with shottie, 10 shells - 9
LA marine with shottie, 20 shells - 9.25
LA marine with shottie, 30 shells - 9.5
LA marine with shottie, 40 shells - 10
LA marine with shottie, 50 shells - 10.25
LA marine with shottie, 60 shells - 11
LA marine with HMG, 150 rds - 10.25
LA marine with HMG, 300 rds - 11
LA marine with HMG, 450 rds - 12
LA marine with HMG, 550 rds - 12.25
LA marine with GL, 4 grens - 9.5
LA marine with GL, 34 grens - 11.75

HA marine with spawn equip - 9.75
HA marine with full LMG, pistol ammo - 9.75
HA marine with shottie, 10 shells - 10
HA marine with shottie, 60 shells - 11.5
HA marine with HMG, 150 rds - 11.75
HA marine with HMG, 300 rds - 12.25
HA marine with HMG, 450 rds - 13.25
HA marine with HMG, 550 rds - 13.5
HA marine with GL, 4 grens - 11
HA marine with GL, 34 grens - 13.25

Skulk - 5.75

As far as I could tell, jetpacks didn't have any noticable impact on running speed.

Something to bear in mind, HMGs and GLs aren't the only thing that will slow a marine down. All weapons and ammo have weight, and the more you load up, the slower you'll be.

Shockeh · January 2003

Kitsune, I love you man. You've just got far too much time. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Well done however, now I'll know how many.... no... wait.... I won't remember <b>ANY</b> of this anyhow

CForrester · January 2003

Kitsune, every post I've read of yours has always been useful. Congratulations. You earn a cookie!

Driftwood · January 2003

I may be slow or something, but I can't figure out your numbers. The numbers are the time in seconds, right? But what do "one" "one thou" and "one thousand" mean?

Tiio · January 2003

It's just a way of counting seconds. One-one thousand, two-one thousan, three-one thousand...

etc.

Immacolata · January 2003

He is counting out loud when he strides forth

"NNIIIINE ONE THOU <smack>"

Ow. Right, note down. Get up man, just 19 more trials to go

"NNNIIIINE ONE THOUSAND <clonk>"

Whimper. At least I wear a visor....

Now in the nekkid thest

"NIIINNE <oompf>"

Kitsune · January 2003

It's the way I was counting the seconds. Rather than go into detail, I'll just edit the post into a more numeric layout.

Driftwood · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tiio @ Jan 25 2003, 04:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>It's just a way of counting seconds. One-one thousand, two-one thousan, three-one thousand...

etc.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
This clarifices it quite a bit. Thanks.

It's an anglo-american thing, right? No wonder I've never heard of it.

Kitsune · January 2003

It's just a four syllables = one second way of telling time. Pretty inaccurate, but it provides a general sense of how long something takes. The gist of it is that every weapon and round of ammunition is counted against a marine's speed. I'd read people saying that as long as you had under 60 shells in the shotgun you would move at full speed. No such luck, can't beat the system that way. I couldn't find any break points where having just a little less ammo would make a big speed difference. I was surprised to find that even the pistol and LMG slow marines down, just not to as noticeably as the heavier weapons and their ammo. So not only do the marines camping the armory while a base is under attack waste time, they're also slowing themselves down with the extra ammo weight.

Immacolata · January 2003

"Don't hump the armory, son. It'll dull your senses."

"Right, sarge"

"Oh, and sleep with your hands above the blankets, too."

They oughta put up a flashing neon sign above the armory, or a texture in the marine start area'

"Excessive armory humping can lead to obesity"

statusq · January 2003

Nice work you have done here, Kitsune!

Thank you a lot, this information is very useful!

Immacolata · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Driftwood- @ Jan 25 2003, 10:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>It's an anglo-american thing, right? No wonder I've never heard of it.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
No, we have the same in danish at least. We just count out loud 21, 22.

each number means 1 second. Used by driving instructors to tell their pupils how to gauge the distance between you and the car in front. If you can count 21, 22 out loud and slowly before you pass a mark that you spotted the other car passing, you are at good braking distance.

MadJackMcJack · January 2003

I can see this leading to people dumping the LMG and pistol upon spawn, to become "Uber-fast leet marine dude!" <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Nemesis_Zero · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MadJackMcJack @ Jan 25 2003, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I can see this leading to people dumping the LMG and pistol upon spawn, to become "Uber-fast leet marine dude!" <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I damn well hope so! :chuckle:

Anyway, <span style='color:gray'>***moved.*** </span>

DrSuredeath · January 2003

Way too much time on your hand man.

TAUhang10 · January 2003

nice work, as always

FlatlineUTD · January 2003

Awesome post. I never really accounted for the weight of ammo before, but it's a bigger factor than I thought. Great work.

BlueGhost · January 2003

Probably explains why whenever I rambo to a hive I always end up arriving with 50/50 ammo..

Or not attal <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Great info Kitsune.

Cookie? He deserves a soddin cake! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

BlueGhost

Jett-OMEGA · January 2003

Very Impressive Kitsune and very funny Immacolata!!!

Here is something for you to test out Kitsune.

back in the old days of Counter Strike they did gun running to get places faster. I see it used to save a HMG on the ground every now and than and have nothing wrong with it.

Can you test this out for me and if it does apear to make a significant difference than we might submit it to the dev team to fix.

get a hmg and run a marked distance.
next run the same distance continually dropping and picking up the hmg.
next run the same distance contunually jumping and than dropping gun in air as to make it land farther.

Would you let me know if this impacts speed?

Legionnaired · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([Jett]-OMEGA @ Jan 25 2003, 11:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Very Impressive Kitsune and very funny Immacolata!!!

Here is something for you to test out Kitsune.

back in the old days of Counter Strike they did gun running to get places faster. I see it used to save a HMG on the ground every now and than and have nothing wrong with it.

Can you test this out for me and if it does apear to make a significant difference than we might submit it to the dev team to fix.

get a hmg and run a marked distance.
next run the same distance continually dropping and picking up the hmg.
next run the same distance contunually jumping and than dropping gun in air as to make it land farther.

Would you let me know if this impacts speed?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I think you've just stumbled on the next big lame......"Gun Juggling."

Not hard for Flay to correct. Just make the effect or weight a second or two longer.

RhoadsToNowhere · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Jan 25 2003, 02:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I think you've just stumbled on the next big lame......"Gun Juggling."

Not hard for Flay to correct. Just make the effect or weight a second or two longer.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
The thing is, if you get attacked while doing something like that, you'd probably be near-defenseless, especially if you happen to have just picked up an HMG or welder, with a long draw time. So it's almost a tradeoff, but I could see how this might be abused while travelling down empty corridors.

Besides, I've already reserved the term "gun juggling" for what I do when I'm a bored marine -- look straight up and repeatedly hit the "drop weapon" key. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Flayra · January 2003

Way to go Kitsune. If I was a bit more rigorous, I would've conducted these tests myself. As it is, I kind of guessed (I mean...intuited) these numbers to get this effect. I think this system needs a bit more tweaking, but the idea was of course to allow marines to configure themselves differently depending on their purpose. If it only saves .25 seconds, that won't be enough to drop your lmg at base, but if you can get back to a RT under attack 2 seconds earlier, that might be enough to drop your LMG and pistol that skulk.

Inexorable · January 2003

Kitsune's research makes me feel... inadequate somehow.

Nice work. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Insanity · January 2003

I wouldn't mind seeing a speed upgrade for marines.
Say...lightweight material production or something.
Half the reason I don't like being marines is how sluggish they feel, even as LA/LMG.

sekdar · January 2003

i once posted somewhere that when i only take spawn loadouts, i always survive skulk attacks to need more ammo... but when i load up fully on ammo i never get to use ANY of it... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'>

pretty amazing stuff here. nice job Kitsune.

Kitsune · January 2003

If I can find a keybind for dropping the weapon, I'll give the juggling thing a try to see if it has any effect. Even if it does, though, you wouldn't catch me running around throwing my weapon in the air like an idiot. Never know when you're going to need to shoot something, and some speed doesn't strike me as enough of an excuse to risk the resource cost of your armor and weapon when some cloaked Fade catches you with your gun at your feet. I was also surprised to find out just how fast a Skulk really is. I'd bought that 'Skulks aren't much faster than LA marines, it's an optical illusion since they're closer to the ground.' that was going around the forums. Fifty percent faster strikes me as safe to use 'much' to describe, and if celerity is thrown in, whoa, no wonder the little guys seem to move like lightning.

ZiGGY · January 2003

wooh cant read, juggle away

MeltedSnowman · January 2003

I've been wondering why I die so much when I load-up past 150/30 ... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'>

Coyote399 · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kitsune @ Jan 25 2003, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If I can find a keybind for dropping the weapon, I'll give the juggling thing a try to see if it has any effect. Even if it does, though, you wouldn't catch me running around throwing my weapon in the air like an idiot. Never know when you're going to need to shoot something, and some speed doesn't strike me as enough of an excuse to risk the resource cost of your armor and weapon when some cloaked Fade catches you with your gun at your feet. I was also surprised to find out just how fast a Skulk really is. I'd bought that 'Skulks aren't much faster than LA marines, it's an optical illusion since they're closer to the ground.' that was going around the forums. Fifty percent faster strikes me as safe to use 'much' to describe, and if celerity is thrown in, whoa, no wonder the little guys seem to move like lightning.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
impulse 3 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

Jetto · January 2003

Thanks for the iniformation.

MutantMFM · January 2003

Hehehe gun juggling I know people will start to complain when alot of marines do that.

Speed! New Research May Startle You.

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