Hump and I apoligize deeply for this incident, I can assure you that this problem is being handled internally with the uttermost urgency. We do see understand the importance of community support and hope this doesn't permanently damage your relationship with Guns4Back2School, or anyone elses.
No I understand. Thank you for taking notice of this type of thing, I appreciate the response. If you would like to place feedback on the map please feel free to do it here or by email.
<!--QuoteBegin--^Requiem^+Jan 25 2003, 03:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (^Requiem^ @ Jan 25 2003, 03:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Blue: There are a lot of servers that play it, way more than andromeda. Ironic thing is, andromeda took at least 400-500 hours to make, missilecommand only took 2.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Which is exactly why shouldn't expect anything but a negative response from fellow mappers. My advice is if you got a map like this, don't release it on the forums. Talk directly to server admins, or put it on your own webspace. But showing it off on the forums, when there was no work put into it, is just gonna make enemies, one way or another.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cash Car Star+Jan 25 2003, 08:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cash Car Star @ Jan 25 2003, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--^Requiem^+Jan 25 2003, 03:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (^Requiem^ @ Jan 25 2003, 03:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Blue: There are a lot of servers that play it, way more than andromeda. Ironic thing is, andromeda took at least 400-500 hours to make, missilecommand only took 2.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Which is exactly why shouldn't expect anything but a negative response from fellow mappers. My advice is if you got a map like this, don't release it on the forums. Talk directly to server admins, or put it on your own webspace. But showing it off on the forums, when there was no work put into it, is just gonna make enemies, one way or another.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What?!?! These forums are to show off maps, give links to d/l maps, get help with maps, etc... This is starting to get stupid. I mean, now we have to go through quality assurance just to release a map <b>for free!</b> I mean, come on. If somebody has a map they want to show people, let them show it! I think the NS mapping community is try to commit suicide these days.
Players may like maps like this, but other mappers have very little interest in these sorts of maps. I'm not saying don't make the map, I'm trying to help him avoid the grief of doing so.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cash Car Star+Jan 25 2003, 09:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cash Car Star @ Jan 25 2003, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Players may like maps like this, but other mappers have very little interest in these sorts of maps. I'm not saying don't make the map, I'm trying to help him avoid the grief of doing so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah, I see. I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were telling him not to release maps like this on the forums in order to control the level of quality. My mistake.
No prob. No one I know in real life understands me well either, as Rhoads could testify <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
If its a fun map and people enjoy playing it who are you to get pised off because I made it in only a few hours of work? Are you jealous because you didn't think of it first? Has Natural Selection Mapping Forum become just one giant pising contest to see who has a larger ePenis?
<!--QuoteBegin--^Requiem^+Jan 25 2003, 07:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (^Requiem^ @ Jan 25 2003, 07:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If its a fun map and people enjoy playing it who are you to get pised off because I made it in only a few hours of work? Are you jealous because you didn't think of it first? Has Natural Selection Mapping Forum become just one giant pising contest to see who has a larger ePenis?
Get a life, clown.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Gah, I didn't even say that much negative about the map, more trying to show ya how to do it without the flames, but like a salamander that seems to be where you're cosiest...
There is no grief involved, i do not care how much other mappers flame me, if you flame me for making this kind of map you are the kind of person I'd hate in real life anyway. A petty, jealous person who is always getting angry about what everyone else does to make up for your own silly insecurities.
Flame on, I'll continue making maps for people who enjoy them.
<!--QuoteBegin--^Requiem^+Jan 27 2003, 04:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (^Requiem^ @ Jan 27 2003, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And also, i laugh at your saying this is the worst map ever for NS simply because you want some ammunition for flaming in this thread. Its so obviously not true I won't even begin to prove you wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I do not want ammunition for flaming in this thread. I was telling you my honest opinion.
I quote myself: "The result is <b>in my opinion</b> the worst map <b>I've seen for NS so far.</b>"
The part <b>In my opinion</b> states rather clearly that this is my opinion and can't be "not true" or "wrong" like you suggest.
The part <b>I've seen for NS so far.</b> means that out of the maps I've seen for NS, missilecommand has been the worst.
I understand you not liking my opinion, but saying it isn't true isn't just possible.
Since 1.04 release, all the nozzels seem tobe screwed up. It's extremely hard to place structures on the nodes. For the Kharaa, its not bad, you can usually get the nodes by looking in different directions.
But for the Marines, its impossible to get the end 2 nodes. And very frustrating to get any nodes. Dropping a nozel on one node, places it on the node beside it.
Any chance you will be looking into this and fixxing it? Maps great fun every now and then.
I've never understood the desire for these soo cooled fun maps.
Is NS not enjoyable as it is? When you play do you not enjoy it? I'm assuming you do, otherwise you'd not play it.
Is mapping not enojoyable enough as it is, quite frankly i get no enjoyment out of making a box with terrible lighting or whatever, it sickens me. To me, fun is to produce a high quality map.
To me, fun is to play NS as it was orginally designed to be played, not with all sorts of crazy shizza going down all other the shop, NS is fun as it is, i get great enjoyment out of a good game of NS, far more than i'll ever get from lerk flying courses, or novelty maps.
How very true. And i do not remember saying it was, i was merely voicing my opinions on the matter, there is no need to get sarcstic and take the ****.
The phrase that really angered me was when you said "To me, fun is to produce a high quality map." and "To me, fun is to play NS as it was orginally designed to be played"
I was asked to make a map like this because seige had too many problems to run regularly. Since its not very hard to make, and I had a good idea for a map like this anyway, I said sure. I am currently working on a completely serious map that will be very fun to play as an original style NS map.
Just because I'm a serious mapper by nature doesn't mean Im immune to making something silly. Get off your high and mighty pulpit and enjoy the fun. Or don't, we don't care. Just stop being so blind you can't see how many people can enjoy something you cannot.
Its a thread about a map I made and its an obvious reference to this map. You'd have to be a 12 year old mud fish with down syndrome to not see the connection.
Yes this is thread about your map, but where any of my comments about any map at all, or where they simply, personally i enjoy mapping a serious map and playing a serious game.
Edit:i get no enjoyment out of making a box with terrible lighting or whatever, it sickens me. To me, fun is to produce a high quality map.
Okay one was <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->. But that was not a direct comment, i've only just downloaded your map now before making this post.
You are worked up over nothing and interupting comments wrongly. You read too much into any one situation.
<!--QuoteBegin--[Ht]Nickoli+Jan 26 2003, 05:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([Ht]Nickoli @ Jan 26 2003, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Any chance you will be looking into this and fixxing it? Maps great fun every now and then. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ya same here. Also I have seen lots of this in the log's when this map is running..."info string length exceeded". Seems to like to crash the server sometimes. Everyone wants to play this map <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> thX
HellbillyA whole title out of pity...Join Date: 2002-11-02Member: 3931Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
Thank you very much for the time you put into this map.
We will be playing it on our server.
Ever thought of making a door timer on the middle level like on ns_siege? Marines seem to have a really hard time advancing with all those skulks dropping like acid rain. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Skulks dropping like acid rain is the point to the map. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Requim, I tried your map last night. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> You're a silly man sometimes. Keep up the good work.
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Hump and I apoligize deeply for this incident, I can assure you that this problem is being handled internally with the uttermost urgency. We do see understand the importance of community support and hope this doesn't permanently damage your relationship with Guns4Back2School, or anyone elses.
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abrock@angelfire.com
Which is exactly why shouldn't expect anything but a negative response from fellow mappers. My advice is if you got a map like this, don't release it on the forums. Talk directly to server admins, or put it on your own webspace. But showing it off on the forums, when there was no work put into it, is just gonna make enemies, one way or another.
Which is exactly why shouldn't expect anything but a negative response from fellow mappers. My advice is if you got a map like this, don't release it on the forums. Talk directly to server admins, or put it on your own webspace. But showing it off on the forums, when there was no work put into it, is just gonna make enemies, one way or another.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What?!?! These forums are to show off maps, give links to d/l maps, get help with maps, etc... This is starting to get stupid. I mean, now we have to go through quality assurance just to release a map <b>for free!</b> I mean, come on. If somebody has a map they want to show people, let them show it! I think the NS mapping community is try to commit suicide these days.
Ah, I see. I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were telling him not to release maps like this on the forums in order to control the level of quality. My mistake.
Get a life, clown.
Get a life, clown.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gah, I didn't even say that much negative about the map, more trying to show ya how to do it without the flames, but like a salamander that seems to be where you're cosiest...
Flame on, I'll continue making maps for people who enjoy them.
I do not want ammunition for flaming in this thread. I was telling you my honest opinion.
I quote myself:
"The result is <b>in my opinion</b> the worst map <b>I've seen for NS so far.</b>"
The part <b>In my opinion</b> states rather clearly that this is my opinion and can't be "not true" or "wrong" like you suggest.
The part <b>I've seen for NS so far.</b> means that out of the maps I've seen for NS, missilecommand has been the worst.
I understand you not liking my opinion, but saying it isn't true isn't just possible.
But for the Marines, its impossible to get the end 2 nodes. And very frustrating to get any nodes. Dropping a nozel on one node, places it on the node beside it.
Any chance you will be looking into this and fixxing it? Maps great fun every now and then.
(jk <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Is NS not enjoyable as it is? When you play do you not enjoy it? I'm assuming you do, otherwise you'd not play it.
Is mapping not enojoyable enough as it is, quite frankly i get no enjoyment out of making a box with terrible lighting or whatever, it sickens me. To me, fun is to produce a high quality map.
To me, fun is to play NS as it was orginally designed to be played, not with all sorts of crazy shizza going down all other the shop, NS is fun as it is, i get great enjoyment out of a good game of NS, far more than i'll ever get from lerk flying courses, or novelty maps.
I was asked to make a map like this because seige had too many problems to run regularly. Since its not very hard to make, and I had a good idea for a map like this anyway, I said sure. I am currently working on a completely serious map that will be very fun to play as an original style NS map.
Just because I'm a serious mapper by nature doesn't mean Im immune to making something silly. Get off your high and mighty pulpit and enjoy the fun. Or don't, we don't care. Just stop being so blind you can't see how many people can enjoy something you cannot.
So explain to me how, me having fun through playing ns, and through mapping high quality product angered you.
Edit:i get no enjoyment out of making a box with terrible lighting or whatever, it sickens me. To me, fun is to produce a high quality map.
Okay one was <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->. But that was not a direct comment, i've only just downloaded your map now before making this post.
You are worked up over nothing and interupting comments wrongly. You read too much into any one situation.
ya same here. Also I have seen lots of this in the log's when this map is running..."info string length exceeded". Seems to like to crash the server sometimes. Everyone wants to play this map <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> thX
Thanks for playing! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://requiem.qis.ca/ns_missilecommand_final2.zip' target='_blank'>http://requiem.qis.ca/ns_missilecommand_final2.zip</a>
We will be playing it on our server.
Ever thought of making a door timer on the middle level like on ns_siege? Marines seem to have a really hard time advancing with all those skulks dropping like acid rain. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
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