1.04, The Patch Of Patches... Not Quite
Defcon
Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9402Members
Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9402Members
Well, i give 1.04 about a month before most clans attempting to really try at this game not bother.
The balancing team, whoever they are, have managed to leave out the biggest flaw in the game, jetpacks. The fact it's not that difficult to get 5 full lvl1 armor/gun HMG/JP, with a base full of mines before the 2nd hive even goes up.
This is all i'm seeing on decent publics now, and it's even more repetitive than what it was before. Since 2 hive lockdowns are an impossible feat, sieges nerfed to the point they're practically useless, and the fact jetpacks are a good option to take fades down - if the need arises.
Supposedly the next patch is 1.1, and well, thats at least a couple months away.
I might sound over the top, or angry, but I truly believe in my many years of gaming experience, this will be the fate of NS. Not in the sense of it dying immediately, but in the sense that the game will be forgotten by all the major leagues.
Of course, you may believe i'm speaking our of my rear, but heres a real world example, Battlefield 1942, great potential, shame the engine/netcode/server.req was poor, 4-5 months they fixed most problems, did even 50% of the previous online community return after this time? no, because they all realised it'd never be noticed by any major league/couldn't be bothered with the remaining problems
I urge Flayra, up the cost of jetpacks to 15 at the very least. Add the fact it's half the cost of a lerk and a lerk is less powerful/agile than a flying marine.
I know so many players coming back to NS to try 1.04 the final time, to see if it's even improving. Perhaps give the server admin the option to change the default, that way, we can tweak it.
The balancing team, whoever they are, have managed to leave out the biggest flaw in the game, jetpacks. The fact it's not that difficult to get 5 full lvl1 armor/gun HMG/JP, with a base full of mines before the 2nd hive even goes up.
This is all i'm seeing on decent publics now, and it's even more repetitive than what it was before. Since 2 hive lockdowns are an impossible feat, sieges nerfed to the point they're practically useless, and the fact jetpacks are a good option to take fades down - if the need arises.
Supposedly the next patch is 1.1, and well, thats at least a couple months away.
I might sound over the top, or angry, but I truly believe in my many years of gaming experience, this will be the fate of NS. Not in the sense of it dying immediately, but in the sense that the game will be forgotten by all the major leagues.
Of course, you may believe i'm speaking our of my rear, but heres a real world example, Battlefield 1942, great potential, shame the engine/netcode/server.req was poor, 4-5 months they fixed most problems, did even 50% of the previous online community return after this time? no, because they all realised it'd never be noticed by any major league/couldn't be bothered with the remaining problems
I urge Flayra, up the cost of jetpacks to 15 at the very least. Add the fact it's half the cost of a lerk and a lerk is less powerful/agile than a flying marine.
I know so many players coming back to NS to try 1.04 the final time, to see if it's even improving. Perhaps give the server admin the option to change the default, that way, we can tweak it.
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I'm assuming no such patch will be released before 1.1
Stop making new 1.04 hate posts, theres like ... 5 of them already
I'm assuming no such patch will be released before 1.1
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They raised/reduced the cost of sieges, and infact jetpacks before in server patches.
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I still love you .. often too <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The jetpack issue is <b>much</b> more then a simple RP fix. Granted, he could do it that way, but it'd just be a hack - and Flayra doesn't like hacks.
Just wait, or stop playing
bitching about it in the forums isn't going to get him motivated
Remind me to repeat this thread to you in a couple months time flayra, i'll do the old 'I told you so'
Sure you do... I bet they'll be back when 1.1 is released cause there is no other game quite like NS.
Sure you do... I bet they'll be back when 1.1 is released cause there is no other game quite like NS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When theres one, there will always be others, I know of several mods in other games in the works thats got a similar style to NS.
You would in fact be the person poo'in on your own creation, i'm just wifting the smell about a bit.
After busting his butt to get this 1.04 patch done and out to us, you just had to come on here and tell everyone how rotten this patch is, and how everyone is going to try it this "final" time, and then leave, because it's so disappointing. Geeze! Give the guy a break. He creates this fantastically fun mod, works months and years to bring it to us, and then you do this?
Sure, you can disagree with the way he's doing things, sure you can criticize some things, but do it tastefully, be nice about it, and if in the end you don't like things, well, no one's making you play it.
For the record Flayra, thanks for all you do, and I hope you remember the praises more than the complaints.
Twilight
Sweet, all they ever did was play games in which they rushed each other silently b-hopping along with a distinct lack of any gunmodel.. Wow.. DEEP in the stratagy... No, all they did was abuse the newest 'best' stratagy, again and again.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The balancing team, whoever they are, have managed to leave out the biggest flaw in the game, jetpacks. The fact it's not that difficult to get 5 full lvl1 armor/gun HMG/JP, with a base full of mines before the 2nd hive even goes up.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Defcon balance is HARD, there are as far as I'm aware NO balanced games in existance that aren't from the 'both teams are EXACTLY the same' school. (The 'you can overcome any disadvantage through ability' school suffers in that you end up balancing the good players un-fairly <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> )
And be fair, duel siege points and fades were the biggest balance problems (as the battle was over hive 2 or over the siege loc not over hive 3 as its supposed to be).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is all i'm seeing on decent publics now, and it's even more repetitive than what it was before. Since 2 hive lockdowns are an impossible feat, sieges nerfed to the point they're practically useless, and the fact jetpacks are a good option to take fades down - if the need arises.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well personally I've played 4 games of 'full' 1.04. I partisipated in 2 slaughters of the marines (they never made it to a hive nor did they capture more than 1 res node outside their base) 2 JP rushes (I commed one and you commed the other). Now personally I expect I'll be board of JP rushes in hmmm about 2 or 3 days and will instead start doing other stuff. I have afew ideas of ways that MIGHT work and against the right aliens they WILL work.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I might sound over the top, or angry, but I truly believe in my many years of gaming experience, this will be the fate of NS. Not in the sense of it dying immediately, but in the sense that the game will be forgotten by all the major leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well the 'major leagues' never really added much to games in my experiance, this isn't some MMORPG that will die without enough players to fund the server farm.
Hell it isn't even something generated by a corperation with shonkey marketing people pushing it out the door in a shoddy state and then being suprised that its not the next doom which will stop getting updates cos its not 'cost effective'.
This is NS! Its gonna keep being developed and improved just as long as Flayra and all the other cool peeps want to, its gonna be playable just as long as there is ONE person willing to run a server on ONE box. When they started writing NS they didn't have a fan-base. If they have no fan-base in 4 months time will they stop?
Tbh Defcon if you consider yourself 'Major league' (heck even if you don't) then bugger off because your being counter-productive and tbh I never particularly liked ya bitchin anyway. 'Oh noooo your ruining the balance of highskilled vs low skilled by putting in r_drawview 1 and taking out B-hopping'
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Of course, you may believe i'm speaking our of my rear, but heres a real world example, Battlefield 1942, great potential, shame the engine/netcode/server.req was poor, 4-5 months they fixed most problems, did even 50% of the previous online community return after this time? no, because they all realised it'd never be noticed by any major league/couldn't be bothered with the remaining problems<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And yet BF is there now. In a reasonable state if anybody so-desires to play it. Personally I never liked the whole ethos very much, it played just like a large game of FA with some tanks in but without the small comradeship generated by FA. The net-code just stopped me spending the few weekends I would have done playing it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I urge Flayra, up the cost of jetpacks to 15 at the very least. Add the fact it's half the cost of a lerk and a lerk is less powerful/agile than a flying marine.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never really understood these people who try and compare the alien and marines res costs, the whole way the two teams play is COMPLETLY different!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I know so many players coming back to NS to try 1.04 the final time, to see if it's even improving. Perhaps give the server admin the option to change the default, that way, we can tweak it.
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Yea, thats a great idea let the server admins change EVERYTHING in ns so that when my normal server is full I can join any server I like and discover that its a completly bloody different game.
In closing:
1.04 is only been out a day and your complaining about balance. This, is stupid.
You're using the 'threat' that not implementing the changes YOU belive are 'right' will cause the mod to die a horrible death as all the 'major league' players leave. This, is BS.
You're completly ignoring all the effort and time that Flayra et all put into NS and your 'tone of voice' is way off, if you want to affect people to create positive change be positive. If you're just here to **** and try and de-moralize Flay et-all then please go away?
BlueGhost
You would in fact be the person poo'in on your own creation, i'm just wifting the smell about a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I find it rather funny you go out of your way to insult this man ...
You already responded to that quote with an insult, all be it less insulting - but then you come back after you thought of something more insulting?
What gives you the right to insult the guy who created a game for you using his <b>life savings</b> and giving it away free.
You have <b>no</b> right to complain.
If he wanted to give the skulks awp's and the marines rocket launchers, you should be happy to stick it up your ****, twist and enjoy it.
He owes you <b>nothing</b>.
nice website ... i like the way your page title is "New Page 1" ... very professional. And the way nothing works, obviously an attempt to keep users from confusing themselves as they navigate your little creation, again, nice touch.
as much as im enjoying this post i suppose i should get to the point: people have gone out of their way to provide you with something for free, and all you can do is flame them for it?
it's flayra's game, let him do with it as he pleases. he made it this far, have the ounce of common sense it would take to realize he can make it the rest of the way.
thanks,
_f
I'm sorry man i cant respect someone who bashes Flayra, after all the time and money he spent on this mod.
Suggesting ideas is one thing, insulting to insist change is another.
I'm really disappointed =/
After busting his butt to get this 1.04 patch done and out to us, you just had to come on here and tell everyone how rotten this patch is, and how everyone is going to try it this "final" time, and then leave, because it's so disappointing. Geeze! Give the guy a break. He creates this fantastically fun mod, works months and years to bring it to us, and then you do this?
Sure, you can disagree with the way he's doing things, sure you can criticize some things, but do it tastefully, be nice about it, and if in the end you don't like things, well, no one's making you play it.
For the record Flayra, thanks for all you do, and I hope you remember the praises more than the complaints.
Twilight<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lets make a few things clear
<b>I do easily consider natural selection one of the top 3 mods in half life, and one of the top 10 games I have come across</b>
If I was in flayra's shoes, i'd appreciate true opinions, on whats right/wrong with my work, because then I can give everyone (well almost everyone) what they want to the best of my ability.
However me starting the post with "flayra, I love you man, I want your babies" will immediately make him hit the back button on his browser for the next thread. So I get immediately to the point.
I'm actually going to the effort of complaining like this, to get the best of what NS has to offer, be it flayra listens or not, he shouldn't be so insulted by a 'player' making assumptions like this, in any professional team it'd be considered pathetic of the head of a development to make a reply in this fashion. (yes i've worked with software developers)
Flayra if you didn't want people to do anything but play the game why is there a suggestions/idea forum?
nice website ... i like the way your page title is "New Page 1" ... very professional. And the way nothing works, obviously an attempt to keep users from confusing themselves as they navigate your little creation, again, nice touch.
as much as im enjoying this post i suppose i should get to the point: people have gone out of their way to provide you with something for free, and all you can do is flame them for it?
it's flayra's game, let him do with it as he pleases. he made it this far, have the ounce of common sense it would take to realize he can make it the rest of the way.
thanks,
_f<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hence the 'currently in development'
Remind me to repeat this thread to you in a couple months time flayra, i'll do the old 'I told you so'<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Flayra+Jan 26 2003, 12:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flayra @ Jan 26 2003, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I urge you to leave your critic duties behind for a bit and instead, create something then tell me about it, so that I may leave a giant poo on it in a public place.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You would in fact be the person poo'in on your own creation, i'm just wifting the smell about a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sorry ... I must have missed your constructive criticism in there somewhere ...
it's his vision, let him run free with it.
NS will only get better from this point forward.
I'm sorry man i cant respect someone who bashes Flayra, after all the time and money he spent on this mod.
Suggesting ideas is one thing, insulting to insist change is another.
I'm really disappointed =/<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I respect flayra, hes made a top game, all he needs now is some good advice to finish it off
I understand he doesn't have the time to play the game as much as some of us, but the least he could do is listen to what we have to say to give everyone else what they want.
End of the day, why did he make this game? I'd expect to add it to his portfolio since it isn't so easy to get jobs in the gaming industry at top level. If he has a thiving community for a couple of years, he'd have beat most multiplayer games single handed.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=20863&st=15' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...1&t=20863&st=15</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Flayra: Yep, that's right Orc. I just love to make games and try new game experiences. I imagine most people that like NS know what I'm talking about...we all just love playing the part of a marine or alien, and NS lets us live out our wildest fantasies. For a few moments, you can act like a squad and work as a team. You can pretend you're a (misunderstood?) creature who's fighting for survival...and leap at your enemies and tear them to shreds. You can have the experience where sarge loses it and gets shell-shocked, as his men scream into their voice comm for help then drop like flies.
These are the reasons I love sci-fi, teamplay and action/strategy, and making a mod was the only way I was going to realize these experiences. If someone wants to give me funding to be able to use some new technology and to tackle something a bit more ambitious, I'm all ears. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
pull your damn head out of your ****
nice website ... i like the way your page title is "New Page 1" ... very professional. And the way nothing works, obviously an attempt to keep users from confusing themselves as they navigate your little creation, again, nice touch.
as much as im enjoying this post i suppose i should get to the point: people have gone out of their way to provide you with something for free, and all you can do is flame them for it?
it's flayra's game, let him do with it as he pleases. he made it this far, have the ounce of common sense it would take to realize he can make it the rest of the way.
thanks,
_f<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hence the 'currently in development'<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hence the game is CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT.
your website is up. not perfect. but your working on it. it's in development.
Same with this game...
Give the guy a break... as YOU said..
It's In development.....
Axe
So WTF did you bother posting?
Your intire complaint had already been coverd by rebo far more civily 4 hours earlier.
Your 'good advice' was surely de-moralizing and insulting to Flay et-all. So you're net input was less than zero.
In short we'd all have been better off if you'd gone to bed or said 'I agree with rebo' rather than making the post.
BlueGhost
nice website ... i like the way your page title is "New Page 1" ... very professional. And the way nothing works, obviously an attempt to keep users from confusing themselves as they navigate your little creation, again, nice touch.
as much as im enjoying this post i suppose i should get to the point: people have gone out of their way to provide you with something for free, and all you can do is flame them for it?
it's flayra's game, let him do with it as he pleases. he made it this far, have the ounce of common sense it would take to realize he can make it the rest of the way.
thanks,
_f<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hence the 'currently in development'<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hence the game is CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT.
your website is up. not perfect. but your working on it. it's in development.
Same with this game...
Give the guy a break... as YOU said..
It's In development.....
Axe<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed.
I'd love people to comment on what they can see atm tho (really all you can see is the design)
Same as when it comes to NS, comment on the balance side of the game is all I'm doing.
Heh I guess I'm going for Silver Fox's title.
I'm alot more upbeat though.
Good and Gaming for all I'm out! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
So WTF did you bother posting?
Your intire complaint had already been coverd by rebo far more civily 4 hours earlier.
Your 'good advice' was surely de-moralizing and insulting to Flay et-all. So you're net input was less than zero.
In short we'd all have been better off if you'd gone to bed or said 'I agree with rebo' rather than making the post.
BlueGhost<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He commented on the bug of the jetpack (fuel effected by FPS)
Not the balance of the jetpack.
Get your facts straight then reply.
I'd love people to comment on what they can see atm tho (really all you can see is the design)
Same as when it comes to NS, comment on the balance side of the game is all I'm doing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
commenting is one thing...
that wasn't a comment. that was a bash. and a demand.
thats why everyone is up in arms over it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Axe
I'd love people to comment on what they can see atm tho (really all you can see is the design)
Same as when it comes to NS, comment on the balance side of the game is all I'm doing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
commenting is one thing...
that wasn't a comment. that was a bash. and a demand.
thats why everyone is up in arms over it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Axe<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Demand?
Sure, if it was my website and something really screwing up the effect of it, I wouldn't mind someone commenting like this.