Poll: Scoreboard Showing Kills
Necro
<insert non-birthday-related title here> Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">vote here!</div> put a 1 for keep it as it is now (alien score only)
put a 2 if you want it so that both team kills are seen
put a 3 if you think all scores should be hidden (apart from team score)
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>3 </span>
Edit: poll so far (last post by CrouchingHamster,HiddenElvis)
votes for 1: 5
votes for 2: 4
votes for 3: 15
votes for 4: 3
4 is doom's creation which i gather is rework the system (?)
put a 2 if you want it so that both team kills are seen
put a 3 if you think all scores should be hidden (apart from team score)
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>3 </span>
Edit: poll so far (last post by CrouchingHamster,HiddenElvis)
votes for 1: 5
votes for 2: 4
votes for 3: 15
votes for 4: 3
4 is doom's creation which i gather is rework the system (?)
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Without being able to see my l33t score I won't be motivated and will not put out effort for my team causing us to lose <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
There is no reason for marines to see their scores. If anything, it would cause marines to lose effectivness in an attempt to preserve their record. If you want to stroke your ego in that manner, play aliens.
if you really want to know your score as a marine, status in console will show you kills.
3
Theres no need for more Rambo-Marines.
Odd way of doing a poll, but what the hell...
I mean, why bother with score at all? I'm apparently a bad player as I do things like taking out a TF rather than camping a corridor for a few kills. Sure, have people listed in score-order, but a few people have suggested alternatives to the scoreboard and they seem rather plausible.
(Just wondering... did/do the team plan on changing the system to show, say, alien res and health/armour combination number? Or marine health/armour or weapon? Would be a great asset to commanders and team-players in general, I'd imagine...)
Probably 3, as then skulks would actually be okay with chucking themselves in, in the suicide trooper stylee they should have anyway. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
How about only alien kills are seen NOT alien deaths. Too many skulks are afraid not to rush a turret farm because their K:D ratio will plummet. I mean come on... a skulks level 4 ability is xenomorph.
<!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> s own you all sorry
Heh, the hysteria over anything that might be considered 'non-teamrelated' on this forum is humourous. Regardless of the issue, you'll all cry foul on anything, even something as simple as the scoreboard out of fear of being labelled a rambo. The NS forum's version of calling someone a communist.
I vote 2, although a compromise is probably to have the scoreboard shown only in tournement mode. The aim of the game is a team victory through defeating the opposing team, scoreboards don't change this. If someone doesn't care about the overall aim of the game, then they aren't going to play towards the game goals, scoreboard or no scoreboard. There is no reason at all that frag scores should change the play of anyone who is remotely serious about the game. And to suggest it would have any effect on clan games at all is completely ridiculous. At worst, perhaps you'll see a few more people running around killing the other team instead of placing sensory chambers on res nodes, but i doubt even these people would change their play because of a scoreboard.
Hiding statistics because you think people will suddenly forget the actual aim of the game and try to get on the scoreboard, is insulting to anyone who plays NS. I know the halflife community is a disgrace to all humanity but they surely aren't THAT retarded.... Even if they really are, how can you ever possibly make an argument against scoreboards in tournement mode? Give clans the damn statistics, they're entertaining.
There's ALWAYS one isn't there ladies and gentlemen.
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I vote <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>1 </span>
I've seen attempts at team orientated scoring in complicated games several times before, and all of them have been a horrible failure. Be realistic, its impossible to represent a players worth to the team with a scoring system. You could create the most complex, unreadable scoring system on earth and still not come close. At least a frag score is accurate, and doesn't try to be something it isnt, everyone is aware that the frag score does not represent the contribution of a player to the team in any way. Its simply a sideline statistic for amusment, like Q3's gauntlet kills award.
You're worried about people who might play to get themselves on a frag scoring board... And yet you aren't worried about what happens when you create a scoring system that claims to accurately represent ability? Which are people more likely to play for? If you think it's ok for people to aim for a highest "team score" let me refer you back to the last paragraph - It's impossible to create an accurate team scoring system. Whatever you do with the scoring system, the most effective way to score on it will not be the most effective way to aid your team. Wether that manifests itself as everyone crowding around to build each building, or fighting over the welder, or not wanting to pick up your suits of heavy armour because of penalties for death with them on. Whatever you do, you can never make an accurate scoring system.
I recall the last game i came from, Q3F, which switched from frag based scoring to a team-worth scoring system in 1 patch. Thankfully most of the community were not stupid enough to pay any heed to either, but the team scoring was of course horribly flawed. Although nobody payed attention to the score, the most effective way to gain points on this system was to bolster whichever role was already incredibly strong. Had pub players based their games around this system, all games would have deteriorated into 1 of 2 scenarios - 2 teams relay capping eachothers flag with little or no defence, or 2 teams going full-D complete lockdown, with attackers rarely getting past the midfield. The most effective way to actually win the game, was of course to balance out offense and defence.
Team-orientated scoring as a sideline statistic has no more or less worth than frag based scoring, both are novelties. But if you're worried about people being so stupid as to actually play for one or the other, you should be alot more concerned with team based scoring - as its a damn sight more likely to be the culprit. The reason you cannot make a scoring system that represents team worth is simple: In a team game, anything which benefits your teammates ultimately benefits you, as the aim is for your team to achieve the game goals. But in an individual scoring system where the aim is to reach the top of the scoreboard, you are effectively in competition with your teammates. Assisting your teammates is only profitable if you gain more points from the act than they do from your assistance, the idea is in complete conflict with the team orientated goals of the game which is why it can never work.
I'm not the one concerned about the effect a scoreboard has on people playing the game. I don't think it should effect them at all. But if you believe that it might, it would be flawed logic to then suggest a system that is no more accurate than a frag board, and yet even more likely to effect how people play.
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this game is about much more then which marine can camp a vent the most
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If sitting in a vent is an effective way to kill skulks, then it is a tactic which is rewarded in every scoring system. Most importantly it is a tactic that is rewarded by the scoring system that actually counts - number of rounds won against another clan in a league game. Are you suggesting the frag system is flawed because it encourages people to go in vents? As a commander, i would value the player who helps the team by having the sense to cover a position from the most effective spot he can find. Possibly saving a location that would otherwise have been lost and assisting the team to victory....
I have no problems at all with the current scoreboard.
There's ALWAYS one isn't there ladies and gentlemen.
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I vote <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>1 </span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You bad, bad guy, DOOM! Naughty, voting 4!
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So, a modified "2".
TeoH ... OMG.. wtf ARE U THINKING?
sorri to flame.. but i think either keeping it the way it is now or choice 3 is the best.... wut type of idiot would choose 2.... sorrii
i respect everyone in this forum except those who think they should show everyones score....
i think marines is working now because there IS NO SCORE... you give a person a score on marines and ur encouraging rambos.. it is simple pyschology.... not the fact that ppl are retards... the whole human race is like that.. u want to look good.. especially if u play on a server that u constantly play on.... not eveyrone will judge u by ur "for the team" effort... but more for personal.... thats why aliens are afriad... becuase they will look bad... and ppl wont respect a) them as a person b) their clan....
u WISH eveyrone was as understanding when judging someone... even I, who played NS since the first release (at least i think so) ... am afraid sometimes.. beucase if i dun gain resepct of ppl.. it means a)flames when i go to serves i always play on b) no one wants me to be comm or gorge cuz they "think i suck"
u get my drift?
therefore.. sure... u can check stats on console.. thats why u should take the general score sheet away
thx <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Because some aliens play for score instead of helping their team.
But seriously, folks, don't mess with the scoreboard. It gives me a warm feeling to know how many kills I've gotten when I go gorge due to marines trying to hop my walls of lame.
i think it's good as it is now