Marines Getting To Much Ammo

kenoyer130 · February 2003

Ok here is my story/vent:

Last night I was playing marine on the map with mess hall. Soon as I spawn I run into mess. I duck into a corner and see about 6 aliens run past. Coast clear I make it to the hive by myself. I fight off two aliens checking the hive out. The com drops a phase and I focus on getting it up. Soon as its done an alien munches me.

At this point both the comm and I are screaming for people to phase. No one does. Instead I see in observer mode waiting to respawn all four marines around the ammo depo filling up on ammo. Result: phase is gone.

So I respawn and yell at my teammates they need to stop getting so much ammo and react quicker. I take off for noname and again manage to make it there. I kill two more aliens and again the com drops a phase. Again I get it up just as an alien munches me.

But AGAIN the marines are all sitting around base with their thumbs up their butt getting full ammo. AGAIN we lose the phase to the hive.

I am so mad I call my teammates a bunch of f*cking morons and quit for the night. I was wrong to lose my temper but man it was frustrating.

Anyone else get angry at marines who are fixated on getting 250 ammo no matter what is going on?

When I spawn I take stock of the situation. If its an emergeny I phase or run out or whatever right away no extra ammo. If things are ok I grab about 50-75 ammo but if anything happens I stop right away. If I am on guard duty and bored I might fill up to 250.

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MMZ_Torak · February 2003

Yes "Armory Humping" is a common problem. It seems to me Marines aren't happy unless the die with 250 LMG bullets and 30 Pistol bullets. I have even seen comms REcycle the Armory in an attempt to get the damn marines to save an outpost. Is there an answer other than smarter marnies? I don't know. I hate to see changes in a game because people are morons, but this may be the exception.

Supernorn · February 2003

and so..the flaming begins....ill attempt to list some points in a minute...cos you kinda did some stupid things such as running off alone....

MMZ_Torak · February 2003

That was hardly a flame...

Supernorn · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kenoyer130 @ Feb 14 2003, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ok here is my story/vent:

Last night I was playing marine on the map with mess hall. Soon as I spawn I run into mess. I duck into a corner and see about 6 aliens run past. Coast clear I make it to the hive by myself. I fight off two aliens checking the hive out. The com drops a phase and I focus on getting it up. Soon as its done an alien munches me.

At this point both the comm and I are screaming for people to phase. No one does. Instead I see in observer mode waiting to respawn all four marines around the ammo depo filling up on ammo. Result: phase is gone.

So I respawn and yell at my teammates they need to stop getting so much ammo and react quicker. I take off for noname and again manage to make it there. I kill two more aliens and again the com drops a phase. Again I get it up just as an alien munches me.

But AGAIN the marines are all sitting around base with their thumbs up their butt getting full ammo. AGAIN we lose the phase to the hive.

I am so mad I call my teammates a bunch of f*cking morons and quit for the night. I was wrong to lose my temper but man it was frustrating.

Anyone else get angry at marines who are fixated on getting 250 ammo no matter what is going on?

When I spawn I take stock of the situation. If its an emergeny I phase or run out or whatever right away no extra ammo. If things are ok I grab about 50-75 ammo but if anything happens I stop right away. If I am on guard duty and bored I might fill up to 250.

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OK..point ONE...

this is a TEAM game..do not RUN OFF on your own...whilst i praise you for getting to that hive by yourself this isnt CS...

Point TWO...

if you clearly pointed out that they should get to the phase as soon as possible instead of you and the commander screaming your-heads off like madmen, the result may of been better...but then again..some players are just ignorant.

Point THREE

one again..you run off by yourself..THIS IS A TEAM GAME..go with your TEAM.

Point FOUR

no-matter how stupid your team mates are being..that language isnt appropraite..if you are unhappy with your team just leave them to it...
itll be them that lose the game in the end...just leave and join a more mature server with more experienced players...sometimes getting full ammo is required but i can understand why you were angry at them for not getting through the phase...at least one or two should of gone..but really the moral for the story is...Try waiting for your team to stock up on ammo and GO WITH THEM to the hive..instead of running to it alone A.S.A.P and getting a phase up before your team have even finished reloading....

heathenSlayer · February 2003

He did nothing wrong, his teammates were incompetent.

rebo · February 2003

agreed heathen slayer. Looks like supernorn has little understanding of NS or that he was trying to flame for flames sake :/

I wish there was a 'turn off armory' button that comms could use to stop the armory humping .

Rayonic · February 2003

I'm going to have to agree with the original poster, armory idiots just don't know how <i>fast</i> a phase gate can be munched down. Sometimes it seems like they don't even hear you.

As for "wandering off alone", sometimes it *is* a valid strategy to send one experienced marine to sneak into a hive location and get a phase up fast. If it fails, hey you've just lost one marine. Obviously this tactic would have worked both times if his teammates hadn't been such utter morons.

Oh, and for the record, I always jump through the phase in times of emergency. Even a split second can mean the difference between losing a phase gate or saving it.

Aaron · February 2003

If your team is humping the armory it makes no sense to "go with the team".

Supernorn · February 2003

yer ur probably right..i havent really played with these kinds of people...so maybe im not the best guy to comment <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>
i was only making points that are used generally in the game....that wasnt a flame..i was simply helping him out in case he encounters the same problem again..i was wondering...what server was this on?

Ollj · February 2003

ive once phased thru phasegate short time before teammates killed it to kill a bunch of reloading ppl.

Vash · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rayonic @ Feb 14 2003, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> As for "wandering off alone", sometimes it *is* a valid strategy to send one experienced marine to sneak into a hive location and get a phase up fast. If it fails, hey you've just lost one marine. Obviously this tactic would have worked both times if his teammates hadn't been such utter morons.
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"Wandering off alone" can actually help a lot if your not just "wandering". If you know where you're going and you can get there without being seen/heard, then you should make the attempt to go there. I'd rather sneak into a hive alone, because I think everyone else in the world but me plays NS without sound. I can hear a skulk running at me from pretty far away, they're just as loud as marine footsteps. It's also really easy to tell what's on the other side of a wall just by listening to the footsteps, every Kharaa evolution has a different sound to their steps. And whenever comm gives out a waypoint everyone is just like GO! RUN THERE BLINDLY! DONT LOOK UP AT ALL!! and they all die from one skulk that was just like hiding in the shadows. I can make it into a hive without being seen or heard and get up a phase gate easier than 6 guys blindly rushing it can.

CplDavis · February 2003

Its fine they way it is, If the marines are good and there are no immediat threats by God i will fil up with ammo? Why? 1. I mostly use it on taking out OTs and things like that. 2. The Commander does not have to worry about leaving and supplying a fire fight somewhre else. 3. If the commander needs someone to guard or watch over a resource or emtpy hive point I can do it and Ill probably be able to hold out a litttle longer with 200 bullets over 75. And Yes i usualy do use most of it before I die. and 3. For the same reason we give our real life sodiers at elast a combat load of more than one spare magizne to go off and fight a war

Now if there is some problem or a phase gate is being attacked Ill get no ammo or maybe just enough for one relaod them Im gone i dont "armoury hump". If you where to put a "stop armoury" button in for the commander it would just be giving those "com chair highjacker (bad word) another way to ruin a round.

In most times of need that Ive seen, people do not armoury hump in the first place. But yea if people want to be stupid about it, dont get angry over their stupidity, they lost and if they blame the comm for losing u can politely point out who really did make an effort to defend the base and who was sitting on their **** humping the armoury.

Fang-CE · February 2003

If the commander orders him to the hive, he should be going to the hive, even if he was ordered to go to the hive by himself. It seems like he was doing exactly what the commander wanted him to do since the commander had him build a phase etc.

If the commander wants a lone rambo to sneak near the hive and build a phase, while the rest of the team keeps the aliens occupied elsewhere, that's his choice and I think a valid tactic.

CplDavis · February 2003

Lol sorry fo so many typos in that last post I was in a hurry.

Fang-CE · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Vash- @ Feb 14 2003, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>It's also really easy to tell what's on the other side of a wall just by listening to the footsteps, every Kharaa evolution has a different sound to their steps.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Heh, Vash have you ever ran around a corner thinking, "I'm going to kill their gorge!!!" only to be met faced to faced with a fade?

Didn't someone post earlier that fades and gorges sound the same on certain floors?

Supernorn · February 2003

what did the commander ask him to go there?...from how i read it i thought he just ran off alone..if thats the case, and he was asked to go there alone then thats fine..i do that too...it also proves that his team-mates were being bigger retards by not following the waypoint...

Supernorn · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Vash- @ Feb 14 2003, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> because I think everyone else in the world but me plays NS without sound. I can hear a skulk running at me from pretty far away, they're just as loud as marine footsteps.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
you aint alone Vash...i hear them too...thanks to my Microphone head-set thingy...whats with people not being able to hear them?

Vash · February 2003

Never met a Fade like that...Although I think they do have the same footstep sounds, Fades make that little Hydralisk-sounding growl when they walk, and Gorges make a different sound. I have run into a nice set of webs though o_o Those are really hard to hear

xFoN · February 2003

When I play as alien, I often come across many players who hump the armory upon respawning...Easy targets...

At first, I humped the armory when I was new to NS...Now I usually just go with the team if they are ahead of me, sod armory, 100bullets is usually enough before you die. And even so, the comm can drop you more ammo anyway, no hassle there...
But it is annoying, I often play as comm and boy do people like to stand infront of the armory until they have 250bullets. I wish they included a 'SLAP' command when you're comm and you can slap your marines around in the map view if they aren't doing anything to help your team out!

-xFoN-

Lindstrom · February 2003

I really hope there isn't any change to the armory b/c of these newer players. I'm sure all of you humped the armory once or twice when you first started, but you learned (probably b/c some veteran was cursing you out). These players will learn, and then they will curse out the new players and so on. Yes it is annoying but you should of had at least 1 or 2 veteran players who followed orders, if not then find another server.

ZERG · February 2003

I always take out the humping marines first! It's all you can eat.

Hannebambel · February 2003

Scouting and and one man infiltration is not ramboing.

As he said before he avoided the skulks passing by the first time.

I am also **** of those guys loading more ammo then they can shoot out before dying and there is an better example for that.

If the base or a secured hive is attacked by fades, they also fill up to max instead of rushing the fades right from the spawn which would push them back or even kill one or more of them.

Instead they´re wasting time by loading bullets, which they will never have the opportunity to fire or hide in corners cowardly beacause they are afraid of dying with standart stuff.

Same **** is a standart marine (no special equipment) crying for medpacks instead of typing kill into console. Hell if you´re already in base with standart stuff why do you need waste resources on medpacks.

For the last 2 things be reminded. You cant mess up your score with to many deaths because you have NO score.

I think some people don´t know that time is an important factor in this game.

If I am in a quick defense situation I do not fill up ammo, but use the stuff I got. At beginning of the game I fill up to maybe 30 pistol round (with inserted clip) total and 150 to 200 rounds LMG total. That´s pretty much enough. In later games when escorting HA/HMG marines or if there is time to do it I fill to max.

Cry_Havoc · February 2003

It seems that many people have built in mechanisms that make them ignore ingame messages like 'We're losing such and such! Get through the phase!'

Then after they lose they ask 'What happened?'

Quite annoying.

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coil · February 2003

If your commander gives you an urgent waypoint, 50/50 and 10/10 is more than sufficient.

If your commander gives you a waypoint, 50/150 and 10/20 is plenty.

If your commander does not give you a direct order, *then* you can fill up.

Phases have much less health in 1.04 - they do not last long under attack.

This has been a public service announcement by the Bureau for Better Beginners. (:

Onuma · February 2003

Sometimes, when I just <b>KNOW</b> I'm gonna need the ammo, I'll get full even if it's a stress situation. Sometimes, like in the first example(s) when a phase is under attack I won't get any.

It really depends on the situation, how many aliens are attacking...you've got to assess the situation before you act on it. If I get a shotgun from the comm - I usually only take 25-30 rounds extra, because
a) it takes too long to fill completely
b) you really won't NEED that many shells, and if you do, comm can drop you more
c) you have greater mobility with fewer rounds in reserve, which is key - especially if you have a weapon like the shotgun where if you miss that 1st or 2nd shot, or just don't do enough dmg to kill them you've gotta get out of the way; and quickly at that.

I will usually get full ammo with the HMG, simply because we all know how quickly that sucker burns up a magazine. That extra magazine or two can make or break the marine and possibly the game.

ManRider · February 2003

thats <i>too</i>, not to.

matso · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Onuma @ Feb 14 2003, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
I will usually get full ammo with the HMG, simply because we all know how quickly that sucker burns up a magazine. That extra magazine or two can make or break the marine and possibly the game.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
... and the GL, even though it takes AGES to fill it up ... Hmm... ages or about 28 seconds, whichever comes first ... :-)

Of course, if you are the GL guy at the frontline, the commander SHOULD give you ammo, even though it costs 16 res to fill you up - the time needed to fill up a GL at the armory is just too much if you need to be on the attack.

Onuma · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ManRider @ Feb 14 2003, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> thats <i>too</i>, not to.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
To whom are you referring?

Cry_Havoc · February 2003

The only 'to' that was used in place of a 'too' was in the_move's post.

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Speed_2_Dave · February 2003

ah yes. The joys of being in an endgame with a bunch of newbies. The enemies were hitting and running with fades. No marine (except me and one other guy) left without at least 150/250 and 30 in their spare ammo clips. Joy.

The only solution is to hope they play more, and learn how to play better. Nothing else works.

Marines Getting To Much Ammo

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