No I run a teamplay first server not a rubbish CS Deathmatching frag-'lady of the night'ing newbified server.
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If the entire team asked for defense and you built sensory then I'd expect some kind of warning from the admin. A total ban is a bit harsh, but if you did it again I'd say it was justified. As the gorge for your team you are quite similar to the commander, your team is relying on you and whatever your preferance for first chamber is the team's wishes come first.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Agreed. If your whole team was asking for Defense and you built sensory against the desires of the rest of your team, you are not playing _as_ a team. You are being a griefer. Most griefers go Gorge, spam voicecomm, build sensory, and pull other nasty stuff before simply leaving.... and the Aliens are screwed for that round. You may have been banned either for ignoring the desires of your teammates, or by an Admin who saw you as a neo-griefer and wanted you OFF the server ASAP. If it was an honest mistake, I'd say it was a bit harsh. If you ignored your teammates, I'd say that the ban was justified.
I consider the thing that is called "give the chap a freaking chance" something he's allowed to have
If everyone started banning everyone who didn't work as a team, more than half the gaming community would get banned, and that's a bad thing, seeing as it discourages others from starting.
Would you still consider this an unfair banning if the rest of the story went like this:
Banned for building a Chamber in Natural Selection.
[Even though the rest of my team didn't want me to, I did it anyway. It didn't work on the last two rounds I tried, but third time is the charm right? No one else wanted it but hey, this is my game, my res and I can do what I want. This guy said he was an admin but he was just a n00b so I ignored him.]
the old Sens Def Mov battle has been fought and fought, but like most battles noone wins,
once, me and my friend had an argument about who gets the last cheeze it in the box. I punched him in the face, and ate it, we are no longer friends, but I think he deserved it.
theres 1 good thing about sensory... scareing the marines so that they dont dare go out/ munching them. its still not perfect as some can still get through but is an alternative tactic.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
It /was/ an alternate tactic, when Cloaking 3 made you fully invisible. Now with only 90%, it's easy for people running in 32-bit color mode to pick out the cloaked aliens. or maybe I just have really sharp eyes... I have no problem spotting one hiding in a corner or hallway.
If level 3 gave you 100% again, THEN it'd be semi-viable. If Silence took you off motion tracking, it'd be even moreso, and I could go back to being the silent assassin of 1.03 days. As it stands now... it's crud.
Also, IMHO and experience, paritally cloaked models are only asking for trouble. It better to have the engine not draw invisable entities. Partially cloaked models lead to <span style='color:yellow'>BRIGHTLY COLORED </span> replacement models.
I remember one time when a comrade of mine and I were in a server and he went fatty because no one wanted to gorge. So, because we ALL know sensory or anything that isn't defense first is shunned like leprosy in servers, he gave a good 3 minute warning saying "Hey, I want to change things up, does anyone care if we go sens first?" After no dispute he plopped a sens chamber down and suddenly a wave of slurs indicating his "n00b-ness" and stupidity were being hurled. Soon after that he was banned from the server...luckily we worked something out with the big bad admin and he was let back in.
I guess I'm not following the logic of the arguments here. So if I'm a commander on a server, and my whole team is screaming for HMG's and I just give them shotguns instead, I should be banned? That's the logic of the argument.
People ask for Defense every single time because they are scared to death of change. They always get DC. DC is always the first thing built. It must be the best thing ever and to deviate at all is to invite permanent removal from the game. It's the same reason that after every patch I get millions of emails saying 'why did you change so and so? I want it to be the way I was used to forever!'.
If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way. The reason players have options is so that they can make choices, not just bray the endless bleating of sheep.
You have a point Monse; however this is a team game and the desires of the team should carry some weight. If a gorge wants to break away from the norm and change the build order he should be considerate enough to at the very least ask people opinions, not just build what ever he wants. His choices dictate how the whole team's game gets played. Couple that with the "go gorge, build sens, quit" abuse, and it is very easy to see why people get upset. It is part of an admins job to make sure that disruptive people do not spoil the fun for the rest of the players. All I was pointing out is that he only gave half a story, and that there could have been a legitamite reason for his banning. Personaly I wouldn't ban someone for trying to break away from the norm, but "Hi, since I'm gorge [drops a sensory chamber] you have to use sens first" isn't a Team Attitude.
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If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way
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Uhh, no they aren't, as msr. Evil said, it's just that people are afraid of change. I was a gorge on a server once, asked my team if they mind if I mix it up, they said no, we got Mvmt first, we then proceeded to wipe out an entire marine base with skulks and Adren/Silence/Celerity. after I got the towers up I went skulk, and we destroyed the base before the other gorge could even save up 40 rsc for a hive.
<!--QuoteBegin--burkeout+Feb 20 2003, 05:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (burkeout @ Feb 20 2003, 05:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it's true I was in a server the other day and built a sensory and got banned. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> WOW, sensory chambers are best if built first. Well on our servers it is.
Our sensory chambers at voogru; not only cloak the aliens, but the aliens structures; like O & D chambers. They appear to be totally invisible to the Marine. It's hot.
Click the link below for more information about it:
It's not like building a Sensory Chamber crashes the server, fries your computer or anything like that. When it's built just play and have fun, no need to ban the guy or call him names. Like Mr.Evil said, should he be banned for giving shotties when everyone wants HMGS? It's just preference, thats it.
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<!--QuoteBegin--rebo+Feb 20 2003, 05:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rebo @ Feb 20 2003, 05:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You did all other options are unviable. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll assume you meant 'In my opinion, all other options are unviable' rebo. Just because you can't see that the world is round with your own eyes doesn't make it flat. Just because you don't yet have the skills to play without DC's doesn't make it a problem we have to fix.
I guess the way I see it is, the Gorge is the commander of the aliens (in the NS 1.04 implementation, at least). And like the commander, if he has the cojones to step up and take on the most crucial team roll, he should have some leeway in stratgey. I understand what you're saying about asking around and keeping your guys happy though - I just think that banning the guy is a horrible attitude to have. I suppose the same can be said for the commander, although when I'm in the seat if the people don't like my decisions they can suck it and vote me out. Because I'm totalitarian like dat, booyyeeee.
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You did all other options are unviable. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No they aren't rebo - they're just more difficult, since Def is what I'd call "slightly overpowered" at the moment. Most people just don't want to make it any harder for themselves, cause we're all lazy bastages at heart.
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You did all other options are unviable. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And I bet you've tried them, haven't you?
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thats a bit harsh
And besides, what good are O towers without the D towers
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God, admins always get the short end of the stick.
If it was an honest mistake, I'd say it was a bit harsh. If you ignored your teammates, I'd say that the ban was justified.
If everyone started banning everyone who didn't work as a team, more than half the gaming community would get banned, and that's a bad thing, seeing as it discourages others from starting.
Banned for playing the game.
Banned for having fun.
Sounds like a resonable ban to me..
Banned for building a Chamber in Natural Selection.
[Even though the rest of my team didn't want me to, I did it anyway. It didn't work on the last two rounds I tried, but third time is the charm right? No one else wanted it but hey, this is my game, my res and I can do what I want. This guy said he was an admin but he was just a n00b so I ignored him.]
Banned for playing the game.
Banned for having fun.
the old Sens Def Mov battle has been fought and fought, but like most battles noone wins,
once, me and my friend had an argument about who gets the last cheeze it in the box. I punched him in the face, and ate it, we are no longer friends, but I think he deserved it.
Ego
[FACT] - Women are fun
/me flings Poo!.. somewhere else.
If level 3 gave you 100% again, THEN it'd be semi-viable. If Silence took you off motion tracking, it'd be even moreso, and I could go back to being the silent assassin of 1.03 days. As it stands now... it's crud.
I hate admin abuse...
People ask for Defense every single time because they are scared to death of change. They always get DC. DC is always the first thing built. It must be the best thing ever and to deviate at all is to invite permanent removal from the game. It's the same reason that after every patch I get millions of emails saying 'why did you change so and so? I want it to be the way I was used to forever!'.
If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way. The reason players have options is so that they can make choices, not just bray the endless bleating of sheep.
Rant completed. Please return to your seats.
If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way
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You did all other options are unviable.
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If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way
You did all other options are unviable. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhh, no they aren't, as msr. Evil said, it's just that people are afraid of change. I was a gorge on a server once, asked my team if they mind if I mix it up, they said no, we got Mvmt first, we then proceeded to wipe out an entire marine base with skulks and Adren/Silence/Celerity. after I got the towers up I went skulk, and we destroyed the base before the other gorge could even save up 40 rsc for a hive.
I was in a server the other day and built a sensory and got banned. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
WOW, sensory chambers are best if built first. Well on our servers it is.
Our sensory chambers at voogru; not only cloak the aliens, but the aliens structures; like O & D chambers. They appear to be totally invisible to the Marine. It's hot.
Click the link below for more information about it:
<a href='http://forums.voogru.com/showthread.php?threadid=1665' target='_blank'>http://forums.voogru.com/showthread.php?threadid=1665</a>
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If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way
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You did all other options are unviable. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll assume you meant 'In my opinion, all other options are unviable' rebo. Just because you can't see that the world is round with your own eyes doesn't make it flat. Just because you don't yet have the skills to play without DC's doesn't make it a problem we have to fix.
I guess the way I see it is, the Gorge is the commander of the aliens (in the NS 1.04 implementation, at least). And like the commander, if he has the cojones to step up and take on the most crucial team roll, he should have some leeway in stratgey. I understand what you're saying about asking around and keeping your guys happy though - I just think that banning the guy is a horrible attitude to have. I suppose the same can be said for the commander, although when I'm in the seat if the people don't like my decisions they can suck it and vote me out. Because I'm totalitarian like dat, booyyeeee.
If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way
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You did all other options are unviable. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No they aren't rebo - they're just more difficult, since Def is what I'd call "slightly overpowered" at the moment. Most people just don't want to make it any harder for themselves, cause we're all lazy bastages at heart.
If we wanted DC to be the only thing built first, we'd have designed that way
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You did all other options are unviable. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And I bet you've tried them, haven't you?