Ok, Web Is Too Strong
Typhon
Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
<div class="IPBDescription">no really, it is</div> So we've got a group of heavies headed to cargo (trying to retake it before we get overrun by onos). All fitted out with welders, HMGs, GLs, etc. We start knocking down the WOLs, welding eachother, doing like good marines should do. We whip out welders to get rid of the web on the ground and across the hallways, works like a charm.
As we start advancing around the corner, a gorge pops out and starts shooting green globs at me. "Silly gorge" I think to myself, "I have my welder out so any web you shoot at me will be welded away and i'll be safe". Mind you he wasn't firing at the floor, he was aimed right at me. I watched the green globs hit me, *CRUNCH*, my welder disappears and i grind to a halt. The hallways are so tight only one other marine can fire around my useless bulk, and guess what, *CRUNCH*. Now the hallways blocked, the gorge keeps webbing, the 2 fades start smashing us, and the whole mission goes down the proverbial drain.
Now is there something wrong with this? Yes, there most certainly is. One: it confirms that gorges CAN web you by directly shooting at you. Two: <b>there is absolutely nothing you can do to avoid being directly webbed</b>. As long as the gorge can hit you twice, you lose. There is nothing you can do after that. You are dead.
While I do believe the gorge needs some defenses, I dont think it should be this powerful. That <i>one gorge</i> was the entire reason they had any hope at all, and not only did the gorge contribute to the battle, he was 90% of the army. Without him they didn't stand a chance.
I dont know how to fix this, web should still be usable as a defensive 'trap' type of thing, but in its current (primarily offensive) state, I think its just way too strong.
As we start advancing around the corner, a gorge pops out and starts shooting green globs at me. "Silly gorge" I think to myself, "I have my welder out so any web you shoot at me will be welded away and i'll be safe". Mind you he wasn't firing at the floor, he was aimed right at me. I watched the green globs hit me, *CRUNCH*, my welder disappears and i grind to a halt. The hallways are so tight only one other marine can fire around my useless bulk, and guess what, *CRUNCH*. Now the hallways blocked, the gorge keeps webbing, the 2 fades start smashing us, and the whole mission goes down the proverbial drain.
Now is there something wrong with this? Yes, there most certainly is. One: it confirms that gorges CAN web you by directly shooting at you. Two: <b>there is absolutely nothing you can do to avoid being directly webbed</b>. As long as the gorge can hit you twice, you lose. There is nothing you can do after that. You are dead.
While I do believe the gorge needs some defenses, I dont think it should be this powerful. That <i>one gorge</i> was the entire reason they had any hope at all, and not only did the gorge contribute to the battle, he was 90% of the army. Without him they didn't stand a chance.
I dont know how to fix this, web should still be usable as a defensive 'trap' type of thing, but in its current (primarily offensive) state, I think its just way too strong.
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Why did you still have your welder out?
Why didn't you immediately switch to HMG and blast the gorge?
Why didn't the guy with the GL shoot 2 grenades over you to where the gorge is?
Why didn't he shoot one straight at the floor? Grenade blasts destroy webs.
Failure to work as a team. Web is not too powerful =P
ditto
Sounds like the perfect solution to me. Encourages teamwork, and gorges can still kill rambos.
Don't move.
Seriously, just stand & shoot at him. Most gorges expect you to get webbed, but you don't unless you actually move. So just stand still, and shoot the bejesus outta him, and by the time most realise you're not stopping, they're dead.
It's pretty amusing.
Sounds like you got killed by teamwork. I've lost count of the times I've died horribly as a fade for the lack of a 'battle gorge'.
For every l33t gorge there are 20 bad ones who couldn't find their **** with both hands and a map. You just got out played by the sounds of it.
2 Hive alien power isnt just in the fade. A fully utilized 2 hive group should be capable of fighting even the top level of marine tech.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does work, but as far as we can tell when we've tried, motionless marines don't get webbed. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does work, but as far as we can tell when we've tried, motionless marines don't get webbed. ??? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've tried standing still several times against offensive webbing gorges and i usually manage to get webbed up.
If you're checking it, try the following:
2 web shots at the marine
first web shot at the floor, second at the marine
first web shot at the marine, second at the floor
I can't try it atm, stuck at work :|
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firing webs directly at a marine does not web them. You have to stick the first glob to the wall in proximity, and then it will work. During the playtests it was possible for Gorges to web people with one shot. They were the scariest class in the game.
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Not to mention you can web at one point on the floor and shoot the second one on a line that intersects the marine. In short, standing still will not help you.
The only effective counter we should have had was a GL that a marine could have fired at him from out of his line of sight, but comm wasn't giving out GLs.
AFAIK, you can shoot the first web at a wall and the second at the marine to web them. I suppose however my second shot might have been missing and instead creating an intersecting web. I'll have to test it. It doesn't help that i've not played gorge in ages so I might be mis-rememebring it.
RE: original post, the aliens ambushed you in a bottle neck and immoblised you with web. GJ aliens I say <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Very nice idea!!! maybe you should post that in the ideas forum?
Crouch
Corridor=Unblocked
I hate HAs anyway, unweildy ****
Webs are the equivalent to mines.
There are 2 kinds of mines. Bottom mines and wall mines (with beams).
With speed you can defuse wall mines without getting killed (it hurts much), but not bottom mines.
Defusing mines requires 2 hives.
Laying mines is cheap.
There are 2 Kinds of Webs: Direct hits and webbed.
WEBS ITSELF DO NOT HURT!
Webs dont cost res, but MUCH energy.
Direct hits are really hard and a big risk.
Destroying indirect webs just needs a Welder wich is really cheap compared to a Hive.
A GL kills Webs, too.
Laying webs needs 2 hives.
+ there is a limit in webs but none in Mines.
-> Webs (in midgame) suck compared to mines (im the beginning).
<b>A guy with a welder/GL always needs protection.
If he does not have this protection your team just sucked.</b>
they … un-digest. Without them the aliens cannot keep pace with marine research and upgrades. To this end, they receive resources much faster than other species, and can tap a larger amount. They can also spray healing bacteria from their mouths, restoring chambers and other aliens to full effectiveness. <b>Though their role is not as aggressive as the other species, they consistently find ways to cause mischief and support attacks on enemy positions. And with their spit, web and babbler abilities, underestimating them in combat is a dangerous mistake.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Directly from the manual, thank you and good night!
Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.
o and perhaps try this
not sure if this works.... but is there ny way to bind a key in half life to play a sound file... make it play the web sound so a gorge will come rite up and blast away
or trying use the +use key... so u move slowly like u are webbed.. therefore u can kil him... or stand still wif ur weapon and try +use back... so he thinks u are retreating and when he comes to heal spray u... f uck him up....