One Press Leap
Alias20
Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15212Members
Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15212Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Any Thoughts On Scripting?</div> I wanted to run this by this forum before I started working on this.
Would anyone object to a script that allowed an alien player to leap as a skulk with one key press? For example, you could press the Q key which would switch your active weapon to leap, make you leap, then switch you back to bite. This would allow you to deal leap damage while biting a marine, so I'm not sure if that would be considered an exploit or not.
Cheers,
Alias20
Would anyone object to a script that allowed an alien player to leap as a skulk with one key press? For example, you could press the Q key which would switch your active weapon to leap, make you leap, then switch you back to bite. This would allow you to deal leap damage while biting a marine, so I'm not sure if that would be considered an exploit or not.
Cheers,
Alias20
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But frankly I have no idea as of to what is considered to be a script or exploit, I mean, some ppl say your an exploiter when you jump out of the way when a skulk comes flying at you. WTH r we supposed to do? STAND STILL? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Cheers
Personally? I'm indifferent. I don't use any "scripts", but that's not something I expect others to do, it's mainly because at present I haven't found a need for them. I do have weapons 1 2 3 and 4 bounds to specific keys though, so if I want to I can leap to someone, remove most of their health, then bite to finish them off, or just carry on leaping (cos it's so d.a.m.n. good at killing marines!!)
alias medwait "shortwait;shortwait"
//Quick Leap
alias +qleap "slot3; medwait; +attack"
alias -qleap "-attack; slot1"
bind X +qleap
Change X to any key you like and you have a very effective leap key.
*EDIT* This script also requires that "hud_fastswitch 1" be set.
Would anyone object to a script that allowed an alien player to leap as a skulk with one key press? For example, you could press the Q key which would switch your active weapon to leap, make you leap, then switch you back to bite. This would allow you to deal leap damage while biting a marine, so I'm not sure if that would be considered an exploit or not.
Cheers,
Alias20 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You aren't exploiting a loophole in the Half-Life engine, NS, or the space-time continuum. Anyone who objects to a script like this is a luddite <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But as CheesyPeteza said, there's little point in actually scripting this. You might as well use hud_fastswitch 1 and move your weapon keys closer to your movement keys. I've used scripts like this in the past, and they have a tendancy to be unreliable in extreme conditions (so I don't use scripts like that any more).
play the game the way its made, otherwise your only as good as your scripts
There is a difference between a skilled script (say a rocket jump script from TFC) and a menial script (this leap script).
If you "rely" on a skilled script to rocket jump for you, then you will be limited in your rocket jumping skills (always doing the same jump) and will definately have lesser skill than someone that does is manually.
If you "use" a menial script to do some simple finger pressing for you, then you might have less finger dexterity than someone who does it manually. This doesn't mean that you will have less skill at leaping though. It simply means you don't have to press as many keys to do it.
Pressing a key combination does not equate to skill in the game. It's knowing *when* to use the ability, not how you activate it.
However the only real scripts I use are communication ones, and in the case of CS, buyscripts so I don't have to press the same keys again and again....
I don't like the idea of this script though.
There is a difference between a skilled script (say a rocket jump script from TFC) and a menial script (this leap script).
If you "rely" on a skilled script to rocket jump for you, then you will be limited in your rocket jumping skills (always doing the same jump) and will definately have lesser skill than someone that does is manually.
If you "use" a menial script to do some simple finger pressing for you, then you might have less finger dexterity than someone who does it manually. This doesn't mean that you will have less skill at leaping though. It simply means you don't have to press as many keys to do it.
Pressing a key combination does not equate to skill in the game. It's knowing *when* to use the ability, not how you activate it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
what does equate to skill then? Pressing keys is part of the game, if people have to use scripts, that means they are less skilled <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I dont see why people just play the legit way. Also most people that use scripts dont have talent anyways so its really no worry. The reason a lot of people download a script is to compensate for their lack of skill. Unfortunately, scripts take away from the adaptability of a player, which limits skill.
I enjoy a good laugh in the morning...thanks! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you cannot play the game without scripts, why are you playing ? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Scripts (like programs or tools) are created to help simply tasks. Like I have explained previously (but you obviously failed to grasp <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> ), some scripts are skill-based while others are not.
If you enjoy doing the menial tasks in life, then by all means go ahead and do them. Personally, I like to simplify the menial stuff, and spend my time doing what is fun. If I can press 1 button instead of 3 buttons (slot3, attack, slot1), that doesn't make me any less skilled at leaping (I still have to time it and aim with my mouse). It just means I simplified the process.
Sorry, but "pressing the fire button" on your mouse is not a skill (my 2 year old son can do this). The skill is in the "aiming" of the weapon (my 2 year old son cannot do this).
anyways i'm done with this, I hope never to play against you, because you'll never use yer leap script on me anyways <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
My post clearly stated that "aiming" was a skill.
Yes, I have a very hard time pressing 3 buttons in a row...quite complicated. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I'll do my best to keep my supar leap h4x away from you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
newbs.
newbs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your brother is more skilled in the sense that he can use the keyboard better, but some of us have played Quake 1 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The keyboard isn't a skill over the mouse you know. It limits your skills. This is because the controls are digital and there is no way to speed up the way you turn. Using the mouse allows analog controls so using the mouse requires more skill but has less of a limit.
This is sort of the same with scripts. Scripts are good in that they can do what they are programmed to do, but they also limit you to ONLY that. If you try to use the skill you would get from trying to leap anywhere else, you won't be able to.
I am not against scripts though. You can use what you want in my opinion, as long as you aren't gaining a great advantage over other people. I mean, I use scripts too. My whole key pad is bound with scripts. By pressing the kp_ins key, it switches between Server mode scripts and chat scripts.
So by using my keypad, I can control a server faster than normal if I'm the host, or I can type quick warning messages if I'm playing like "Enemy is approaching...". This doesn't provide much of an advantage over everyone (if any). It also limits me as if I typed it myself I would probably also say what creature is approaching. When I can, I type my messages, but they are for use in tense battles when you have only a second to spare.
Just my two cents.
Solus
ps. I think it's fine if people use a leap-bite script as the game allows it. You might say it's fair to aimbot as the game allows that though. This isn't true as the aimbot gets through a loophole to do something, and has also said to be wrong.
Some people are going to disagree with me saying that "using a leap-bite script allows you to get extra attacks on people" and this will be an endless debate, but for something that minor, it should be fine and accepted by admins. Just don't use aiming scripts! They are the devil <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo-->
Aren't Luddites fun?
If games could be won by being a better script writer then there is something wrong with the game. But thats not true. I think that in the long run scripts do not make a such a drastic difference. I believe that that most important qualities in a NS player are mental, like reading the battle and teamwork. It might be bit different with other games but IMHO with competetive play these qualities become more important.
Does the script do things for you that you are otherwise incapable of doing? An example of this is a pistol script. There is no way to fire your pistol as fast a script will - not even using your mousewheel.
This script isn't like that - it's perfectly duplicable with a little practice and a sensible control scheme.
That said, why bother with it? Using a script instead of the controls does, as people have said, limit your adaptability.
The remote control analogy was stunningly bad. One cannot script a control, there is no skill involved in it, it's not a competative setting, etc. Please run your analogies by a professional before using them in the future.
The ones/zeros analogy is also bad. I'm tempted to say it's slightly better because it actually uses a computer but... not really. Look, folks. The essential elements of the situation are this: two teams of people. These teams are competing in a simulated environment. They are all using a roughly standard interface. There are ways to alter that interface - some are unfair and some are not.
I suppose I shouldn't be so hard on you. It's actually pretty hard to find a decent analogy. On the other hand, when you can't find a good one, maybe it's time to just talk in the terms of the actual subject of debate, ok?
Sometimes, but not in this case. I can leap as long as I hold the button down, and then immediately go to bite when finished. How does this limit my adaptability? It's very easy to make a broad, generalized statement like that. It obviously doesn't apply to this situation.
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You must have failed to notice the next 2 paragraphs where I said:
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If you enjoy doing the menial tasks in life<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was trying to show how simplifying tasks is common in most aspects of our life. Not just in scripts for games, but also with the programs we create and tools we invent (the remote control).
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On the other hand, when you can't find a good one, maybe it's time to just talk in the terms of the actual subject of debate, ok? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tried that and it didn't seem to work, so I went for the broad topic of "simplifying life". I appreciate the advice, but your failure to understand my post doesn't make it inappropriate.
Anyway, I put together two little scripts. One switches me to parasite when I press the key, and fires the parasite then switches back to bite when I release. Its been helpful both because I score that little extra damage on my ambush attacks and if I mess up I have my target marked so someone else can finish the job. The second one is the one key leap. I thought about making it force me to move forward and auto-crouch for the duration, but it just got messy with wait commands and was more trouble than it was worth. So I kept it simple: press the key and it automagically switches to leap, fires, and switches back to bite.
In all, I think these are more convenience than anything. I could go through three motions to accomplish the same thing. The script saves me keystrokes, gives me more intuitive controls (personal preference, of course), and keeps me from messing up and parasiting someone when I wanted to leap. Since they're short and simple there isn't much room for them to go wrong, and I still have the standard key config if I need to use that instead.
Anyway, I don't want to get too tangled up in this debate. Thanks for the input.
Cheers,
Alias20
Without a buy script it would take me 10 seconds to get out of spawn in CS, not because I can't buy fast enough, on a LPB server I don't have any problem with that, but because of the latency messing up my commands, does that mean it is cheating? I mean it does allow me to buy all the stuff I want in 2 seconds which I couldn't do without it...
I also have a script for planting the bomb...
And in NS many people have a script to toggle "+use" so they don't have to sit and hold down the use button for 20 seconds at a time...
It's up to everyone to judge for themself what is and what isn't 'cheating', if you can use it without feeling like you are taking advantage of someone it is probably ok.
This is bull for the reasons I already stated. In addition, it's stupid (see: retarded, laughable, and otherwise brainless in nature) because the question was <i>never</i> "does it make things simpler?" <b>Of course</b> it makes things simpler, you moronic chimp. Would you like to state anything else that's blinding in its obviousness? No? Great. <b>The question</b>, stated explicitly for your benefit, is this: does its simplifying nature grant the script's user an advantage in a fight?
As a side note, some have argued that it is in fact a <i>dis</i>advantage, and I am one of those people. I don't actually give two flips about whether you agree with me there, though, so I won't argue it.
I'd like to go on making fun of you, though, if that's ok.
I like how you say "I was trying to show how simplifying things is common": it makes me laugh. Because, again, that wasn't the question. Not only was it not the question, it's a point which is enjoyably easiy to dismiss. Watch and learn, young grasshopper: <b>t's common to use an aimbot</b>. Alas, just because it's commonly done doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it.
Generally, when I lay the science on some poor slob, I try to give him or her a way out with dignity intact. I only say that in order to point out that in this case it's simply impossible. I could have couched this post in the most marshmallowy-soft language I can summon from my fingertips and you'd still look like a tool. So sorry.
Anyways, thanks for your time, play again next time, I'll be here all week, tip your waitress and try the veal etc. etc.
Flaming just makes you look like an idiot. Your arguments are ok, but they way you communicate makes me not want to care what you say/think. Can you re-write your post without the flames so I can read it with a more unbiased view?
Second - I only take pleasure in giving someone a textual beating if they've already shown themselves to be a schmuck*. Enemy was being snide and insulting before I even entered the thread, so I felt it incumbent upon me to put him down. I tried to be relatively gentle with my first post, but he was having none of it. Soooo...
I mean, in theory <i>yes</i>, it's conceivable to be nice at all times. However, I submit to the jury that he deserved it.
Oh, also. Some may point out that my predilection for two-dolla words and stilted phrasing makes me sound like "a giant dork" and "a complete dweeb". To such people I can only say: "oh yeah? Well yo mamma so fat, she eat wheat <i>thicks!</i>"
*Accursed swear-filter! Argh!
Instead of walking to my TV and pressing the button, I press the remote.
Instead of playing around with my keyboard like a crazed bunny on adrenaline rush, I press one button and get the job done.
Just like with my TV, I *can* do it. I just wont bother.
Stoneburg was right though.