Another Concept Pistol Concept!

SidSid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">But this time I thin it'll work...</div> Okay - I got my head ou of the clouds and went with a Realistic-ish design. No more ammo counters or wierd handles... So, hows this? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

-Sid

Please note: It is in .Gif format so now it's a lot more ditable than in .Jpeg, and I no longer make my images "Flashbangs". <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Feel free to do whatever you want to improve this. And, I am open to suggestions aswell. And to think this only took me 5-minutes to draw, but then again, I say that all the time. (Yeah - I know, not much of a drawing, anyhow).

ENJOY!
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  • SidSid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
    edited May 2003
    ...Yes, I know, I put "Concept" twice. So sue me. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Edit #2: And I do realise I put "Thin" instead of "Think", Maybe I should get more EDU-FIED?
  • JimJim Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9989Members
    a little 'stubby', but it could work <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • NecromanZerNecromanZer Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3407Members
    the only problem with the last one was that no-one can skinmesh <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JimJim Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9989Members
    ok I had a quck start <a href='http://www.steel-dragon.co.uk/personal/nelly/sidpistol.jpg' target='_blank'>here</a>

    the render is very basic, I don't have photoshop at the moment so I couldn't optimise it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CaptainPanakaCaptainPanaka Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4718Members
    well not bad. but I'd make the front a bit longer - than it'd be much better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JimJim Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9989Members
    i've decided to learn 3ds before i continue on this model or do any others <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • PykmiPykmi Join Date: 2003-04-14 Member: 15473Members
    That pistol reminds me of some existing pistol, but I just can't remember it's name...

    Looking pretty damn sweet, and would fit ns well.

    Jim, that r0ks.
  • GordonGordon Join Date: 2003-01-01 Member: 11707Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sid+May 27 2003, 10:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ May 27 2003, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...Yes, I know, I put "Concept" twice. So sue me. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My lawyer will contact you... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Jk

    Seriously now, it's a nice concept, simple and neat.

    -GF
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    me is looking on the ejection port..and thinks that the pistol grip is a bit..uhm..thin fo ra magazine that can hold this ammo...
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited May 2003
    youre very interrested in gun design.. looks like i should give you a little help in designing guns.. not ergonomic.. more technical.. and very simplyfied.. first thing we have to work on is your ejection port..
    in real life he would be in front of the front-red line.. the aprox. distance/ way the slider moves is marked by the green line..
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited May 2003
    for reference we will use a glock pistol (also called the Drastic Plastic <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ).. very simple construction.. its just containing 35 parts


    1. Slide
    2. Barrel
    3. Recoil spring assembly
    4. Recoil spring assembly
    5. Firing pin
    6. Spacer sleeve
    7. Firing pin spring
    8. spring cups
    9. Firing pin safety
    10. Firing pin safety spring
    11. Extractor
    12. Extractor depressor plunger
    13. Extractor depressor plunger spring
    14. Spring-loaded bearing
    15. Slide cover plate
    16. Rear sight
    16a.Front sight
    17. Receiver
    18. Magazine catch spring
    19. Magazine catch 20. Slide lock spring
    21. Slide lock
    22. Locking block
    23. Trigger mechanism housing with
    ejector
    24. Connector
    25. Trigger spring
    25a.New York Trigger spring 1
    25b.New York Trigger spring 2
    26. Trigger which Trigger bar
    27. Slide stop lever
    28. Trigger pin
    29. Trigger housing pin
    30. Follower
    31. Magazine spring
    32. Magazine floor plate
    32a.Magazine insert
    33. Magazine tube
    34. Locking block pin:


    The actual number of parts is based on your interpretation of the word "part":
    - #3: the 'Recoil spring assembly' is made of several parts
    - #8: the 'Spring cups' are 2 parts
    - #16 & 16a: the 'Front and Rear sight' are 2 parts
    - #23: the 'Trigger mechanism housing with ejector' is made of several parts
    - #26: the 'Trigger with trigger bar' is made of several parts
    - #34 the 'Locking block pin' is not found on some models
    - #32 & 32a: the 'Magazine floor plate and Magazine insert' are 2 parts
    - Adjustable sights have a lot of individual parts
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited May 2003
    the main parts of hte glock and its sub components..

    the lower part (grip/trigger) : <img src='http://www.topglock.com/images/lower17.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>







    the upper part (barrel/slider): <img src='http://www.topglock.com/images/g17upper.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>


    <img src='http://www.greendevils.pl/technika_wojskowa/bron/glock/kuva12.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited May 2003
    ok.. now very simplified.. how does a pistol reload...

    <img src='http://mithat83.hypermart.net/cs/images/02-glock.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    as you can see is the the slider on the loadet pistol in front position. the ejection port is closed by the ,i call it rear part of the barrel., the chamber

    <img src='http://www.topglock.com/images/fs6.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited May 2003
    in action the reloading works incredibly fast.. so i will do it per hand.. and very slow..

    first thing i do is to pull back the slider. the empty casing gets pulled out of the chamber with the extractor(the claw shaped thing that u can see right behind the ejection port).the barrel moves down on its rear side. u can see that on this pic..


    <img src='http://www.dentrinity.com/NelsonChen/Collection/pistol/Glock/G18.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>


    when the case is completly pulled out it gets ejected with a small spring...
    now the slider is on its back position and the ejection port is right over the magazine..
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  • NightCrawlerzNightCrawlerz Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15609Members
    Sid you keep posting concepts yet no one ever does anything but explian how the gun SHOULD look. None of the concepts that i have seen ave been modled. SOOOOOO....... If theres no one to modle it WHY do you keep making concept thingys?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> theres a new one every week that just sinks to the Abyss
  • BurncycleBurncycle Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9759Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited May 2003
    Some people model them. Nobody skinmeshes them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Sid comes up with some interesting ideas, sheena's just trying to help him to understand how they work, so that he can continue to come up with interesting things, but also realistic things.

    here's another nice place to understand whats going on inside a weapon when its operating.

    <a href='http://people.howstuffworks.com/machine-gun2.htm' target='_blank'>http://people.howstuffworks.com/machine-gun2.htm</a> (after you check it out, click next near the bottom for more)
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    heres the same pic again.. the slider is back,and the chamber down.. when the slider moves forward a pin on the slider pushing the bullet forward ,out of the magazine.. oh wait.. the magazines upper end is claw shaped,it holds the round like that.. only way to get the round out is to push it forward out..

    <img src='http://www.magloader.com/pix/ammoshotsm.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    in front of the chamber you can see this shovel shaped thing connected to the barrel... this thing guides the ammo into the chamber..
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  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    easy spoken.. move your ejection port forward..
    so it gets over the magazine when the slider gets back..

    on assault rifles its the opposite.. theres the moving part inside..
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    oh..and very nice page burncycle <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> this animations make explaining things easy <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SkinnYSkinnY Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7500Members
    edited May 2003
    for the first time you ( Sid ) made a concept i liked <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> and i actully bothered opening my 3d program ( <u>Maya</u> ) and started modelling ( for the first time with a goal !! ) and i learned some stuff and stuff.... and this is what i got from about 45 mins of work <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <img src='http://80.198.14.76/1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>


    ( it's glowing so you better can see it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> )


    edit\\

    underlined the name Maya for sheena <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    what modelling app? its so.... dreamy..blurry...
  • BurncycleBurncycle Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9759Members, NS1 Playtester
    my eyes! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ChackleChackle Join Date: 2003-01-24 Member: 12672Members
    I want it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SidSid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
    WOW! I just got back from *Murmer* School - and I'm surprised to see all this support! Thanks Shenna and Everyone else!

    The Models - they look SO delecious! Good job! I am... Well, I'd say something about pants, but enf0rcer and coil won't let me. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    In other words, GOOD BLOODY JOB! Thanks again Sheena and others - I'll get cracking on some updates...
  • DocterJDocterJ Join Date: 2003-04-09 Member: 15357Members
    sheena- WHERE IN GODS HOLY NAME DO YOU FIND THESE PICTURES?
  • SidSid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--NightCrawler.+May 27 2003, 09:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NightCrawler. @ May 27 2003, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sid you keep posting concepts yet no one ever does anything but explian how the gun SHOULD look. None of the concepts that i have seen ave been modled. SOOOOOO....... If theres no one to modle it WHY do you keep making concept thingys?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> theres a new one every week that just sinks to the Abyss <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why do I draw these, Nightcrawler?

    For a number of reasons:

    1.) Coming up with new concepts for firearms - and posting them online for suggestions
    2.) To see if one of my firearms actually gets into a video game. (A dream come true)
    3.) hey - look at Sheena. She's pretty much TEACHING me about weapons! I'm lovin' it! I appriciate that, by the way, Sheena, thanks again.
    4.) Witht he more support I get - the better my concepts become - I remember MY first one... let me show you how far I have come: <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    LOOK HOW FAR I'VE COME THANKS TO SUPPORTERS LIKE YOU GUYS! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
    (One of my first "Concepts" *shudder*)
  • JimJim Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9989Members
    edited May 2003
    i have a question about the slide, is it squarish like a glock, or more rounded like a 1911?
  • SidSid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
    edited May 2003
    The answer to your question is "Rounded".

    Oh, and here is the update. Better?

    Edit: OUCH. Flashbang.
  • CaptainPanakaCaptainPanaka Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4718Members
    edited May 2003
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1054072055.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    this one looks like a Thommy Gun/Saiga hybrid imo 0_o
  • SidSid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
    I had one person mistake it as a space craft! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    So, how do you like my "Gun"? Could it work now?

    ....What should I call it?
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