US Vs. EU Demos

HAMBone · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Corrado @ Jun 9 2003, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> How many european games have <b>you</b> seen? I'm guessing zero.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Actually I know at least from personal experience that we have beaten 4-5 european clans on their own servers 2-0, as a clan we have never lost even a single round to a european team, and I still maintain that most or all American clans can beat most or all Euro clans, and I know we'd be more then happy to prove it to anyone who disagrees =[ Personally I think the format should be changed so that
USA clan A plays Euro clan Z
USA clan B plays Euro clan Y
USA clan C plays Euro clan X
in kind of a round robin format. A whole day of NS 1.04 games with 5-10 matches. If the Euro's are really looking to claim dominance in the game they should have to show that they can defeat the top US clans, they should have to do a little more then win a last minute game that was supposed to just be "for fun".

And please guys, don't blame the players, they are all top players and IMO they did a great job. If you need someone to blame, blame me. Aside from the marine game on caged, I was put in a position of leadership and I didn't deliver. Maybe I was off my game, maybe the other americans weren't ready to try out the strategies that have proven successful for our clan(our strats are generally considered to be unconventional and require a considerable amount of teamwork). Maybe the fact that most or all of us literally have not played a SINGLE 1.04 game in over a month had something to do with it. Regardless, all the USA players are excellent players in their own right taken out of their element and they do not deserve to be blamed.

Either way, I think most of us went into the game looking to have fun together and were not aware that the Euros would be so cocky about it and try to hold it over our head. That might be why you're getting a bit of bitterness from the American side. Had we known you would have acted this way we probably would have practiced or made a bigger deal about the game and the result would've been very different.

uberbroke · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kastro @ Jun 9 2003, 08:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i say from now on we stop labeling the teams by their country, since it doesnt do anything but make the rest of the population angry for various reasons. just because 5 people are from a certain country doesnt mean that whole country is better than the other...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
But the teams were assembled with the purpose of representing the NS players in their own countries. Otherwise, it could have been just another game with mixed with one side having both USA and European players.

Kastro · June 2003

yea, but thats the problem. you cant represent an entire country by a couple rounds with 5 people.

uberbroke · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBOWN @ Jun 9 2003, 08:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Either way, I think most of us went into the game looking to have fun together and were not aware that the Euros would be so cocky about it and try to hold it over our head.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
BUAHAHAHHAAHAA yeah, I was there at #teamuschat, and boy, was the [GO-teamEU] COCKY. I shoulda kept a log of that, they literally SPAMMED the chat with big, capitalized red letters, DIRECTLY insulting the USA nsplayers who were there watching the match. "an exapmle would be someone shouting "HAHAHA USA CANT TAKE THE HEAT FROM THE EUROS!!!!" (approximate) over and over and over.

I'm sure USA would have done the same if they won... To me thw whole charade wasz funny, and most likely was done in terms of good fun.

uberbroke · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kastro @ Jun 9 2003, 08:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yea, but thats the problem. you cant represent an entire country by a couple rounds with 5 people.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
You're right, you can not represent the ENTIRE country with just 5 people. However the _purpose_ was still there.

torment_j · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBOWN @ Jun 9 2003, 10:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The Euro alien team didn't really take nodes or pressure marine nodes, they went with more of a "we're losing terribly and have accomplished nothing, so lets all get together for a last ditch rush." </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Sorry but isnt that exactly what the US marines did and won that 1 round on tanith? <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Mythr1l · June 2003

HAMBOWN, you are probably the biggest sore looser i ever seen, maybee its just ignorance but making comments like these below i mean come on.

"Its strange that noone's noticed that the US teams really clearly outplayed the euro team." - i cant believe someone would say that, is it just ignorance or stupidity? if the US team clearly outplayed the EU team, then why did you loose 3-1? i also watched the demo's and on both maps the EU players were superior to the US team, as were the tactics employed.

"if the Euros hadn't abused the satcomm vent that the aliens would've come out on top that game." Abusing the satcomm vent? how did they do that? did they actually use the terrain on the map to defeat you? i hope you werent climbing through that vent when you were skulk... i mean abusing the vent is so bad...

Jeez i would have expected some little 13yr old kids who were annoyed that US lost to post something like this but for one of the players to post it just makes me wander how you are able to actually organise a teamUS without mummy or daddy to help.

HAMBone · June 2003

No, thats what the euro alien team did that usa marine round on tanith. The US strat was more of a "we have every node on the map and almost unlimited resources and wow they almost got that lucky rush off so lets just finish the game quickly."

Animosity · June 2003

haha hambown you really are a sore loser. theres these things called tactics, they vary.

torment_j · June 2003

nah i think it was more like "OH MY GOD 2 SKULKS IN BASE, OH NO THERE GOES THE ARMORY, OH NO NOT THE PROTO ASWELL, OH MY GOD NOT THE ARMS LAB TOO !!!!, OH FFS RELOCATE RELOCATE GET HMGS, WE'RE LOOSING TERRIBLY AND HAVE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING, LETS ALL GET TOGETHER FOR A LAST DITCH RUSH."

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Kastro · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Jeez i would have expected some little 13yr old kids who were annoyed that US lost</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

thats what americans are mad at. the US didnt lose. that 5 man team consisting of people from the US lost, not the country. thats why i think we should do away with labeling the teams by their country. the country you are from makes no difference in your ability to play a game. it would be like me wearing a [WHITE] tag by my name because im white.
the outcome would be the same no matter who won this match. the winning team's country would have people that look down upon _all_ the losing team's country's players. i dont feel like being looked at like im inferior because a few people from my country got beat. thats my reasoning for being frustrated. i had no choice in who represented me, thus the reason i dont feel like being held responsible for their actions.

edit: changed some puctuation

Zunni · June 2003

I haven't seen the matches yet (though I may just decide to tonight), I don't have HL or NS at work here, does geekplay require NS/HL to play the demos?

Or is there a place that has them as AVI's/MOV's or whatever for consumption outside the HL engine??

Also, strictly from a curiousity standpoint, do all the euro players speak different languages? I'm assuming in countries where english is not the native tongue that would added some difficulty to a game so based on communication...

Mythr1l · June 2003

Ham, you lost, EU won, it doesnt matter if you have all the res nodes in NS it wont change that. stop looking for excuses cos you really are just making an arse of yourself.

Both teams played well, Europe came out on top.

BTW: anyone who was in #TeamUSA spamming chat and being a **** under the name of teamEU isnt affiliated with us, probably just a random kid.

Pp_pwnd · June 2003

<b>** Be nice or you lose your right to post. Permanently. **</b>

uberbroke · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mythr1l @ Jun 9 2003, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> BTW: anyone who was in #TeamUSA spamming chat and being a **** under the name of teamEU isnt affiliated with us, probably just a random kid.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Although my fading memory tells me that guy also had a clan tag... Gah, I dont remember what it was, shoulda kept a log...

But by the level of his maturity, he's probably just a kid.

Corrado · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>yea, but thats the problem. you cant represent an entire country by a couple rounds with 5 people. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Everyone was more than happy to put them forward as the national team when they beat Korea and drew with NZ...whats changed this time? Oh, they lost. Sucks. And it also brings about the question, do all americans agree against national sporting teams, where the "best" get put forward to play. Seriously, grow up people..

Mythr1l · June 2003

aye i know some people are just idiots and spam your irc chat, as we have had a few in ours. but their just idiots and not the players. to have ham acting in such a way is just an embarassment for teamUS.

Kastro · June 2003

rofl i knew the american sports comment would be brought up. to be honest i never paid attention to the other matches, never even saw who won or lost.(go check the threads and you wont see my name anywhere in it)

you need to stop catagorizing us by something that doesnt make a difference in the game. im not supporting either team in this because i dont care who won or lost. i only care about people bashing me for being american. i love this country, and im willing to bet you love yours. so cant we just get over the "whos country is better than the other"? like i said, a country doesnt give you any skill whatsoever, so stop using it to judge people.

edit: changed a couple words in first sentence.

Corrado · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kastro @ Jun 9 2003, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> rofl i knew the american sports comment would be brought up. to be honest i never paid attention to the other matches, never even saw who won or lost.(go check the threads and you wont see my name anywhere in it)

you need to stop catagorizing us by something that doesnt make a difference in the game. im not supporting either team in this because i dont care who won or lost. i only care about people bashing me for being american. i love this country, and im willing to bet you love yours. so cant we just get over the "whos country is better than the other"? like i said, a country doesnt give you any skill whatsoever, so stop using it to judge people.

edit: changed a couple words in first sentence.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
"<[GO-USA]ArcticJoe> wow Europe has gained the title "Country with most nerds"

When people say stupid things like that, its not very hard to pigeon hole them into a certain category.

Kastro · June 2003

yes, but youre missing my point. when you stereotype all americans as "retards", its wrong. what if some euro guy came in my irc channel and said some dumb stuff, would you like if i called all euros idiots? no, i wouldnt anyways because i know they all arent. same thing goes for all other countries. there will be "bad" people anywhere you go, you just need to learn to be mature and realize that maybe theyre not all like that.

edit: changed one word

Animosity · June 2003

Stalk asked me to post a quick comment from him on the forums. He himself enjoyed the match and had great fun playing it. He was one of the players highly involved in the tactics , especially planning that "last minute desperate rush" before the team was even picked.

But yeah anyway he says "gg to everyone and gl in future, a rematch in 1.1 plz"

ps. also : (stalk) MY TEAM PWNED YOURS TOO BAD :<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>:D:D:D:

HAMBone · June 2003

I'm more then willing to admit defeat in yesterday's games, I even took the blame personally for them. But the simple fact of the matter is that historically in <b>every single</b> Top European clan vs Top US clan match the euro clan has been humiliated. There has <b>never</b> been a Top European clan that has even tied a top American clan. You may have won an exhibition match that was supposed to be for fun(and it was fun before the excessive bragging came), but if you really want to claim that your players and clans are better then ours, then your top teams need to play and beat our teams, which is something you have unfortunately never been able to do.

I think I've made my opinion clear so there's really no need for me to continue in this discussion. American clans idle on gamesnet, you know where to find us. Check out #findnsscrim, #hamburg, #redemption, #cri, #er, #pandas(sorry if i'm forgetting anyone else). I can't speak for everyone else but I can safely say that HAM would be more then happy to play any European team on their own server for bragging rights anytime. I've made an effort more then once to challenge just about every "top" euro team that I know of. Most have dodged(torrent, for example) and the ones that have played have been beaten 2-0 on their own server with us at 200+ pings. Aside from telling you that they all claimed to be at least top 3 clans in their country, I'm not going to call them out or say who they are, they know who they are and I generally thought all of them were really cool guys and I really liked them, I hope/doubt they are not the ones who are letting this little exhibition match get to their heads.

Anyways, you have our challenge, as many games as you want, your server(the euro server that we played on last night would be more then acceptable), whatever map you want. I'm on gamesnet every Mon-Thurs night after 10:00EST and am on most of the weekend. If you've got something to prove then you know where to find us.

torment_j · June 2003

its T O R M E N T.

And no, i dont remember u ever challenging us.

Also, we have never lost any of our pcws/matches.

boobs! · June 2003

<b>** Boobs you know better then this, come on. **</b>

torment_j · June 2003

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Dracka · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tonzak @ Jun 9 2003, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Didn't anyone tell you? "Being critical" is almost always the same as "hating Americans."  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Didn´t bush say this? "You are our enemy, or our ally."

Church · June 2003

WTH is this? Stop the flaming! Stop the madness! Come on, I thought we're all more mature than this! Do I have to get Monse to locky locky this thread?

HAM: I think what the other people meant was not that euro players in general are better than u.s. players, but that the players on the teams in just this one game were better. Perhaps this clears some things up? They're not talking about clans or anything, just those players.

Good job to both teams.

Hippie · June 2003

Ye agree with Meatshield..

We just played a match for fun, it seems to have grown way bigger than we thought it would. So, lets just end the discussion while we're not just yet killing anyone.

What comes to the bold challenge, yeah, we'll take it. I'm arranging Torment to start playing again, we'll warm up a bit and be sure I'll drop a challenge unless something drastic happens. Too bad last time I was planning it our players went quite inactive due to 1.04 BS.

So lets cut the crap, it was just a match, was fun while it lasted but people are hardly having fun here now. We'll play many more matches in the future, scores will certainly change one way and another.

-Tark

Aioros · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBOWN @ Jun 9 2003, 12:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>But the simple fact of the matter is that historically in <b>every single</b> Top European clan vs Top US clan match the euro clan has been humiliated. There has <b>never</b> been a Top European clan that has even tied a top American clan.
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they do and every **** u say didn'T change this!
u losse 3 - 1 against teamEU

it was a GG and u write **** .. coz u can'T losse ....

BeHe · June 2003

HAMBOWN, as far as im aware NS clanning in europe hasnt really taken off yet as there is still only modest interest in the mod, i think 1.1 will change this and national/europe wide leagues will start to spring up. Then youll have your chance to play REAL top clans not just ones that claim they are <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>. At the moment there is no infrastructure in europe to say oh ya clan [insertclanhere] are incredible they won the UK (blahblah) and european (bleedeblah). But i could be wrong, as im both very easily confused, somewhat stupid and im not in a clan. Nor have i seriosuly looked into NS leages/tournaments in europe. so there <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

*DISCLAIMER* BeHe reserves the right to be wrong, frequently and incredibly wrong.

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GG turrets.

US Vs. EU Demos

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