Ns 1.1 Vet Program
do0bie
Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11384Members
Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11384Members
Grendel is on a power trip. Not only did he ban me for something absolutely ridiculous, he has now banned others.
When are the devs going to understand that NS is a game and as honored as vets are to be chosen to beta test, no one wants to be 'diciplined' by some guy who thinks he has something to prove.
For a while I ignored this issue. I feel terrible that I **** off monse. He genuinely agreed with me and tried to help out, but for whatever reason, Flayra put his foot down and said Grendel has the final word on bans.
Grendel is a very average player and has no place leading the vet program. There are many vets who are much better qualified in terms of skill, knowledge, and more importantly, maturity. I simply do not understand how Flayra can sit there and watch Grendel ban one vet after another. Does anyone reading this post actually think that Vets are going to respond well to this? Perhaps he's forgotten this is a game, not the military, and not a boarding school.
Grendel, if you get a rash on your hand do you cut off your arm or put cream on it? Well the vet program is running out of arms and if the community wants to recieve a good final product Flayra is going to have to realize that the glue that holds this community together is being torn apart by one guy who somehow thinks hes doing good.
As pointed out before, this is a community game, and that is one of the reasons why it is so great. Grendel himself compared his 'regime' to nazi germany in a private IRC session. Is this really the kind of community we want? People play to forget stresses of everyday life, not to have to put up with more.
I waited to make a public post a while after I was banned so I would not be angry and could make a cool headed post. My reason for doing this is because I want to see how the general community feels. Maybe I am wrong and everyone feels that the community should be led by an iron fist, but maybe if enough people agree then Flayra will think twice.
-Ben aka doobie
When are the devs going to understand that NS is a game and as honored as vets are to be chosen to beta test, no one wants to be 'diciplined' by some guy who thinks he has something to prove.
For a while I ignored this issue. I feel terrible that I **** off monse. He genuinely agreed with me and tried to help out, but for whatever reason, Flayra put his foot down and said Grendel has the final word on bans.
Grendel is a very average player and has no place leading the vet program. There are many vets who are much better qualified in terms of skill, knowledge, and more importantly, maturity. I simply do not understand how Flayra can sit there and watch Grendel ban one vet after another. Does anyone reading this post actually think that Vets are going to respond well to this? Perhaps he's forgotten this is a game, not the military, and not a boarding school.
Grendel, if you get a rash on your hand do you cut off your arm or put cream on it? Well the vet program is running out of arms and if the community wants to recieve a good final product Flayra is going to have to realize that the glue that holds this community together is being torn apart by one guy who somehow thinks hes doing good.
As pointed out before, this is a community game, and that is one of the reasons why it is so great. Grendel himself compared his 'regime' to nazi germany in a private IRC session. Is this really the kind of community we want? People play to forget stresses of everyday life, not to have to put up with more.
I waited to make a public post a while after I was banned so I would not be angry and could make a cool headed post. My reason for doing this is because I want to see how the general community feels. Maybe I am wrong and everyone feels that the community should be led by an iron fist, but maybe if enough people agree then Flayra will think twice.
-Ben aka doobie
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The way i see it, Being chosen as a Vet is a privilage, not a right. Flayra has placed the right to ban in Grendels hands, so obviously Flayra has a lot of trust and confidence in him. And because of this, and the fact that it is NOT your RIGHT to be in the vet program, Grendel could ban you because he didn't like your hair colour if he wanted to. Plus the devs must know people are getting right **** off waiting for 1.1 to come out, and they need a community that does it's job. It aint a game <b>yet</b>. when it's released to the public it will be a game, untill then, it's a business that Flayra is running, and he has picked his staff, and they run the ship.
Ok, so that was hard to read. Basicaly, you don't own the game, they do. So they can do what they want. Personally, i'd rather have the vet program ruled by an "iron fist" and have 1.1 out quicker than it would be, than to have it run by a kid and have 1.1 never come out.
Obviously playing is a privilage...no one claimed it was a right. And yes, right now Flayra does trust grendel enough to give him full banning power.
Tell me, would NS 1.1 come out faster if it had the same PTS/vets all the way through or if they were constantly being banned and hired?
I never said we should put a kid in charge. There are plenty of mature adults in this community. And Grendel could ban someone right now because he didn't like their hand color. That is my point, banning people for such frivilous reasons does not help the community.
Think about it. Devs, Vets, PTs, are all working to get 1.1 out to the community as fast as possible. What Grendel is doing is only hurting the process, not helping.
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Grendel was appointed lead playtester by Flayra, and I believe I speak for the majority of the PT community when I say he does a damned good job of it. As for the maturity bit, he does tend to fly off the handle from time to time, but still manages to calm down relatively quickly without starting a flame war with anybody, or stomping off and leaving the community altogether.
Odds are, if you got fired, it was for a reason; if not, then there is certainly a reason now, given your vaguely whiny post on a public forum about getting banned. IRC trolls do that. It's not fit for a vet or a PT.
[edit] rereading your post it sounded like this: Mother said no, so I went to Daddy, but he said "what did your mother say?" which is bad! He might of said yes were it not for her.
I don't think it was a whiney post, he made it clear, and he made it easy to see what his problem was and what he thinks about it. Whining would be like "omg i got banned for NO REASON omg grendel sucks" and so on, he just said what he believed and moved on without it becoming too personal. I've seen whiney unban posts, trust me
Stickman, thanks for your comment. Bozo you may disagree with me but calling this a whiny post is simply wrong. At this point I am not requesting to be readmitted and I am not complaining. I made my point and backed it up with facts, and my opinion. I am not mad at you for disagreeing Bozo, but perhaps you should not jump to conclusions. If MonsE agreed I was banned for a poor reason and tried to get me back in, and was actually demoted in a sense because of that, then I think that shows something about the reason I was banned.
He took the joke out of context and used it as a reason to ban me. I was essentially a scape goat. Grendel is trying to establish himself as the banner so you better get in shape. My point is that isn't what this community needs. Fear does not equal respect. If more people understood that then the world would be better off.
My point about the rash, arm, amputations, was that, if a vet or is out of line he can be reprimanded and given the chance to repent. There is nothing wrong with this. Chances are they won't make the same mistake again. If they do, then maybe a ban is in order.
Really. I'd love to know what that reason is because so far the best Grendel could do was present the quote that I already explained. So much for blind faith in authority eh?
If it <b>is</b>, then i know Grendel from another community (a kind of DOD/CS clan that evolved into a gaming community), and he was always fair there, and while almost every ban from any admin there got a huge argument from the person who was banned, it was always proven that the ban was justified, and Grendel always kept a clean and clear head about him.
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P.S, if it aint the grendel i'm thinking of, then just ignore this. I didn't wanna show the name of the community cos it would be a bit of a shameless plug really.
tbh, i think that is the WORST thing you can do at the moment. People already seem to be getting **** off with this, and deleting the post would be kind of sweeping-it-under-the-carpet. At least if this is going to be locked (which it probably will), give us the reason he was banned.
Heh heh, sorry for double posting, but to lighten the mood a bit, Grendel is also a wrestler in the (now defunct) WWF, so any number of people could have taken it
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of course you would have =p and i don't have to say why.
Why not take it in pm with Grendel or Flay?
However, I had to ban him based on some inexcusable things he did which I am not at liberty to divulge