Are All Marines Exploiters?

Techen · July 2003

"-I can admire a good Kharaa player, as most "good" marines are cheats."
-Alfi33

I'v played this game for some time. I enjoy playing the game. I have however noticed that most exploits and cheats are used by marines.

Most of the big cheats are here just because Marines in NS are similar to soldiers in CS. The exploits. My god! I have not seen a team that dosn't have 3 to 4 people that have pistol scripts. A few that use the flashlight exploit, and many use the Silent Bunnyhopping. Lets not forget the "crouching" issue. Commanders use certain strats on broken maps. (I don't mind this so much except for the fact that the same strat is used OVER, and OVER.)

All this has led to some really negative feelings about the marines in general. Even when I play as a Rine I get upset when I see people using these exploits. (In fact being on the Marines team means I see them more often.)

It dosn't matter if Marines win. I feel that most of the time it wasn't a good game. It was just a bunch of exploiters and cheaters taking advantage of the system.

(This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, its a general observation. Even the people that enjoy playing the marines that don't cheat must see it happen. )

-All hail version 2.0!

Stoneburg · July 2003

Don't play on unadmined or poorly admined servers.

Ps. And don't play on our server if you're gonna be whining.

Stakhanov · July 2003

He has a point though , relocations to cargo hive + JP HMG rushes on Nothing are getting old you know.

Fortunate strafe jumping is nerfed in 2.0 as well... thoses kangaroo marines are getting on my nerves really.

The comm's job can be the hardest in the NS world , but marines are still considered the "cheap" race.

Jasp · July 2003

I dont agree thier have been many times were u feel u deserve the victory u got as marine the commander most of all. TBH the only servers where i see pistol scripts etc is mainly on the clan servers not the public ones such as jolt.

Most the people that play on clan servers dont play matches due to the fact in 1.04 all clans do are rush to gain the early advantage. Also the clan people are "normally" better at the game in genral as thier in a clan and cba with such things as waiting for ammo or clicking a button a few times when such things can be done faster with flashlight or a script.

While the people that play on jolt are thier for fun as such dont tend to bend the rules of the game to thier advantage "as much" ive seen many 3 hour games on jolt were u feel overjoyed when u win.

Im not going to point names but ive been on many clan servers were the rules state not to silent b hop yet the clan members do and if u point it out to them they just laugh.

P.s sorry for any typos no spellcheaker on this pc oh well.

Grendel · July 2003

To answer the question:

No.

Majin · July 2003

Guys 2.0 is 20 days away, who cares abotu these trivial problems when its all going to be fixed and changed in just over 2 weeks!

Moquiao · July 2003

little thing called Amx

best admin tool ever...

i see anyone use a flashlight bug i tell everybody..
then amx_votetimebomb *name*

BOOOOM

then if he continues..

amx_votekick *name*

problem solved.. for more offences..

amx_voteban.

if he is wrong.. he shall be punished <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Malicious_Dub · July 2003

I think the reason you see more marines "exploiting" is because the alien exploits are of a more grievous nature that they have been blocked by plugins. Silent leaping forever is a bit more exploitive of the game then someone who just wants to jump around crazy style or use their flashlight when building stuff (besides the fact that if someone has their flashlight on there is no place for them to hide even if they wanted to). I know scripts can be made for bunnyhopping but the majority of the people I see hopping around are just good enough to do it naturally without scripting for it and pistol scripts I agree are a problem, but not come July 31st. If the aliens had exploits that were less <b>malicious</b> you would probably see them exploiting just as much as you see marines bunnyhopping and flashlighting.

CForrester · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WoLF] @ Jul 11 2003, 10:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> little thing called Amx

best admin tool ever...

i see anyone use a flashlight bug i tell everybody..
then amx_votetimebomb *name*

BOOOOM

then if he continues..

amx_votekick *name*

problem solved.. for more offences..

amx_voteban.

if he is wrong.. he shall be punished <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
By my experience, votes rarely work. Why? Either the majority is exploiting, can't be a**ed to stop playing just to vote, or because the exploiters have friends to vote no constantly and help bring down the success chance.

Malicious_Dub · July 2003

The thing about voting is people set the success conditions too high to be able to vote someone off unless the server is full, and also I know the people I usually play with are skeptical when someone just throws a vote up without saying hey this person is exploiting or something. A lot of times people just start a vote cuz someone good killed them with skill.

TeoH · July 2003

My Race is better than your Race

Jasp · July 2003

lol i reckon it should be like aliens were the marines are totally **** and need a nuke to stand any chance against em lol

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<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'>

TheEnigma · July 2003

The only reason the marines are the ones with the hacks is because aimbots and wallhacks are almost useless as aliens, so all the hackers will -go- marines. It's just how it is.

Mintman · July 2003

Well a server that I was just on combatted flashlight abuse.... by not letting you use the flashlight at all. I only discovered this whilst trying to shoot a distant skulk in a dark area, I knew he was round there somewhere, so I went to switch my flashlight on... and it didn't work, much WTHing later, bringing down the console and checking it's bound etc. I'm told it's not on, ok it's a way to combat it, but something in the MOTD would have been nice <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

CheesyPeteza · July 2003

LOL Mintman, I had that set on our server for a while. It was great, I didn't see one person flashlght exploiting. Brilliant. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Then someone pointed out that flashlight exploit still worked, you just couldn't tell the marines were doing it. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Kalias · July 2003

Hate to mention this but turning flashlights off doesn't stop the exploit at all...

NechtaN · July 2003

True... true. I hate being called a whiner when I graciously ask the marine to please stop crouching in the corner. Or when I point out that a marine is purposefully standing on an edge in a vent because he knows we cant bite his feet. **sigh** After this post I promise to bite my tongue, while silently hoping that the exploiters all suffer in 2.0.

Minstrel_Knight · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Jul 11 2003, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Ps. And don't play on our server if you're gonna be whining.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Didn't you know all marine wins are cheap and deserve to be whinned about? I would expect better from an experienced fellow like you Stoney.

Tyrain · July 2003

Sometimes it seems to me like I have running a pistol script too. The gun is firing like hell but I don't even know where to get such scripts.

sheena_yanai · July 2003

wth is flashlight exploiting?! is it pushing your flashlight button so fast and often till the server cant handle it anymore and forget you should have it turned off,but on your client its still switched on? lol

and what about this damn weapon exploit? when i shoot in the direction of a alien he dies... and another one.. the weapon reloads itself when the magazine is empty <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> argh.. reload exploit <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Black_Hawk_VS · July 2003

Granted some people do use exploites, but for the most part this is how I see most of the complaints really --

"All marines use exploites" == "There are players better than me, and I want them ban from the server I am at so that I am the best"

Tyrain · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Jul 11 2003, 06:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> wth is flashlight exploiting?! is it pushing your flashlight button so fast and often till the server cant handle it anymore and forget you should have it turned off,but on your client its still switched on? lol

and what about this damn weapon exploit? when i shoot in the direction of a alien he dies... and another one.. the weapon reloads itself when the magazine is empty <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> argh.. reload exploit <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
It's an exploit to get ammo faster.

BreakfastSausages · July 2003

I used to complain about the ducking hitboxes alot

But then I realized it was futile and annoying.

Then I realized that ducking marines are easy to kill because they can't dodge and you can. Frankly I would rather a marine duck about 99% of the time, if they jump away they are much harder to kill.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>

sheena_yanai · July 2003

lol? you mean you can reload faster... because i dont spend much time at the armory.. 100 -150 rounds are enough.. that doesnt take much time.. so i think that cant be it..
im seriously confused..

whats much whorser than a disabled flashlight key? a disabled f4 key.. i suck last time for a long time in the readyroom of hera in this alien pit.. and i dont wanted to reconnect.. aargh.. ive pressed 20 times f4 till i realized the server admin disabled it..damn... this was lame.. the ppls dont f4ed ,they disconnected instead.. wasnt a funny game.. wheres the point of spawning 200 times amd getting instantly killed by ha marines with hmg´s,without killing our last hive? damn fragfarming.. things like statistics,ranks or points should getting banned from a game like this... theres only one important point.. the victory...
stats like how often a team won in one mapcycle is ok...
the other stuff is just for llamas without life...machos... kids... and sissys.. when they want stats they should play cs.. individual stats are ****.. the team is important and not a single "heroic rambo" person.... i respect players for their teamplay..and not for their stats..

ARGH!!!! offtopic.. ooops

Haze · July 2003

The flashlight exploit also builds structures faster.

I must confess that the only exploit I use is flashlight, which gets me ammo much faster and I can get full clips in both my guns in under two seconds. Cuz if you use flashlight then you switch back and forth between gun, ya gets going pretty nice.

I do care about the other exploits though, I havent used a pistol script nor will I ever. I just hate the hump the armoury too long, then run out of ammo...its annoying. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Malicious_Dub · July 2003

Crouching isn't an exploit it's a good way to get killed, its so much easier to kill someone crouching then someone who is jumping around crackajack style and gets tossed a mile when you bite them, and the vent thing shouldn't even be an issue anymore people have known this since day one, hold crouch, aim up a little or just let the marine crouch at the edge of the vent and come up behind him, use teamwork and come from both sides.

Jasp · July 2003

Has anyone seen the lerk spike script?? fires spikes at maybe 3 times the normal rate killing a marine in secounds.

LaCHiE · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Jul 11 2003, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Don't play on unadmined or poorly admined servers.

Ps. And don't play on our server if you're gonna be whining.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
but admins arent about to ban croutchers or certain marine strats...

are they? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Vash7h3Stampede · July 2003

hmm... I try to not exploit. When I see other players exploiting as long as its not excessive, I ignore that too. If it is excessive then I break out with admin. Seriously though, most exploiters are on the marine team, but that doesn't mean that all marines exploit because not all of them do. I never have used a pistol script and I haven't a clue how to silent bunnyhop. I've seen other people doing it but when I try, its beyond me how they go sooo fast. Anyways, all the big problems are being fixed in 2.0 so we don't have to worry about them for much longer. The thing that we do have to worry about is the integrity of the people who are using the exploits.

Techen · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Jul 11 2003, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Guys 2.0 is 20 days away, who cares abotu these trivial problems when its all going to be fixed and changed in just over 2 weeks!  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Too true. I should't get so grouchy. Most of these issues are corrected. Who knows, Aliens may be the ones with the exploits in 2.0.

I can see it now, "Damb Lurk! He double gassed me! H4X H4X!!" <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Settler · July 2003

ive tried the flashlight "exploit" when building, but i dont see a noticable difference when building.. guess im just doing it wrong.. i do use the armory flashlight when pubbing, because i dont want to sit at the armory for 20 minutes... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

Are All Marines Exploiters?

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