Should 2.0 Ptin Clans Be In 2.0 Tournaments

psikalpsikal Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12756Members
<div class="IPBDescription">11 days after 2.0 is released?</div> hey guys, HUGE question. do u think its fair that a clan who was in 2.0 play testing, be able to play in a tournament 11 days after 2.0 is released with clans that hadnt played 2.0?

www.NSPlayer.com is running a 16 invite only tournament starting the 11th of august for clans to get used to waring in 2.0.
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  • sTrYkErsTrYkEr Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15280Members
    unless theres money or huge prizes involved i dont see a problem with a lil tuff competition.
  • Mythr1lMythr1l Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12772Members
    UKNSL is doing something like this, some clans are in the same division as beta test clans. personally i feel that the first 'season' if you like, should be non PT's only, as to make it slightly more fair, because at the same time the beta test clans will obviously have an advantage over other teams who did not have 1-2 months experiance.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Remember that a lot of changes were made during testing, leading to an ever-changing game. Vets haven't been playing 2.0 for two months, they've been playing various builds related to it. Non-testing clans will quickly catch up.
    Still, the vets have a little head-start, so a short delay would be nice. I'd say about a half to one month and all the other clans are up to par again. Suspend competitions for prizes and leagues with permanent rankings until then is my suggestion.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    The tournament, by your statement, is invite-only. So I imagine it's up to the organizers to make this decision.
  • RemoRemo Join Date: 2003-06-28 Member: 17752Members, Constellation
    and here the community split begins
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    There have always been invite-only tournaments, one more won't split the community.
  • boobs!boobs! Old-School Competitor Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8504Members
    the reasons most the 2.0 clans (if not all) is because they were already the "top" clans. SO rewind it back 2 months and it'd be like saying "well you won a lot, so no you cannot take part in this tourney, its for losers only"

    I don't think thts very fair eh? top clans need luvin too.
  • EnemyWithinEnemyWithin Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5572Members
    Do the "veteran" clans have an advantage from the the beta testing? Of course they do.

    Should they be allowed to play in the first round of tournaments? Of course they should.

    If you have a problem playing in a tournament with the veteran clans, then don't join it. Personally, I think it would be a great learning experience. Don't worry so much about losing. Just go play against the vets and steal as much of their knowledge and experience as you can <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BreakfastSausagesBreakfastSausages Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11148Members
    If there were serious prizes at stake I would say they should be excluded, but when the only prize is the enjoyment of playing a good match or two, why does it matter?
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
    Considering that we received new builds weekly-daily I see no problem.
  • CorradoCorrado Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11423Members
    Because most people don't like to play matches when they know they'll probably lose?

    One of the main reasons for early leagues is to throw people into the deep end...but Vet clans will be experianced in the world of 2.0. Kinda defeats the point of the early leagues..
  • JojoshuaJojoshua NS Guide Professor Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5233Members
    edited July 2003
    Should 2.0 Ptin Clans Be In 2.0 Tournaments, 11 days after 2.0 is released?

    Yes.


    Its not like we wouldnt own anyways.
  • Rico1Rico1 NS Oldtimer Join Date: 2002-05-24 Member: 664Members
    I would say let the general clan population decide, as something suggested by vets would be severely biased. Its like asking cheaters "should cheats be allowed in general play?".

    You know what they are going to say.
  • JojoshuaJojoshua NS Guide Professor Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5233Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--{US-DF}Rico+Jul 25 2003, 05:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ({US-DF}Rico @ Jul 25 2003, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would say let the general clan population decide, as something suggested by vets would be severely biased. Its like asking cheaters "should cheats be allowed in general play?".

    You know what they are going to say. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why do you have to go and make a relation between vets and cheaters now?
  • ApplicatorApplicator Join Date: 2002-12-06 Member: 10515Members
    It seems rather pointless to have a tournament 11 days after 2.0 is released. It's essentially a whole new game, why not wait a month?
  • UNKNOWN16UNKNOWN16 Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15708Members
    I still thinks it's a conspiracy kal <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Wouldn't the smarter idea is let us in and if people back lash then decide ??

    instead of through possibly past history try and exclude them first while telling people that "Flarya said it himself that teams involved in 2.0 play testing shouldn?t be apart of any early tournaments". Your having a poll with a comment like that, if flarya said it of course they shouldn't be allowed to play, I would vote against it.

    if we are as god and all might as every one is making it out to be only because we palyed a few wars in 2.0 wouldn't it be smarter to let us play. As i said on your forum, excluding them would be like excluding a teacher from a class room and asking the kids to teach them selves. By playing and watching demos of a team that apparently got a huge advantage from being vet testers wouldn't it make it better for the community ? take the training wheels off faster. Then those teams can take there knowleadge to the public where it will spread faster.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Hey, the clans decide to go into them. If they haven't had a chance, then they're screwed, and too bad for them.
  • UNKNOWN16UNKNOWN16 Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15708Members
    edited July 2003
    You need to look at it from the other side, constant changes make it impossible to make advanced tactics, if a clan is seriouse 11 days is more then ample time to catch up things are not as clear cut as the non testers seam to think.
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    edited July 2003
    CAL at least is waiting two weeks between release and the start of the tourney, with the idea of giving non-PT clans a chance to catch up.

    That should be more than enough. What really makes a clan good is the ability to work together, and very little of that will change between versions. All they should really have to do to catch up is pay attention to what strats have been viable in recent beta builds (shotty/hmg/elec res rushing, elec TF in base + a turret or two for defense (unlike 1.04), "gorge gangs," etc.).

    The only thing that will really hurt them is if they haven't been playing NS at all for the last few months, as many clans have. If you haven't played in months, of course you aren't going to be competitive with those who play all the time, beta clan or no.
  • Mythr1lMythr1l Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12772Members
    really annoying when the Player testing clans are reffered to as 'Veteran' clans, i know plenty of non PT clans who would 4-0 most of the 'Veteran' teams with ease.
  • ApplicatorApplicator Join Date: 2002-12-06 Member: 10515Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mythr1l+Jul 25 2003, 02:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mythr1l @ Jul 25 2003, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> really annoying when the Player testing clans are reffered to as 'Veteran' clans, i know plenty of non PT clans who would 4-0 most of the 'Veteran' teams with ease. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Name a few....
  • RapidfyreRapidfyre Join Date: 2003-04-09 Member: 15367Members
    edited July 2003
    Well my dad can beat up your dad Myril.



    You gave no example's in your prior post, you hold zero credibility in your knowledge of clan play competition.


    The Vets got their status by out playing other's. Why would that change in a different build? It's still the same mod.
  • NickBlastaNickBlasta Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9859Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mythr1l+Jul 25 2003, 02:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mythr1l @ Jul 25 2003, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> really annoying when the Player testing clans are reffered to as 'Veteran' clans, i know plenty of non PT clans who would 4-0 most of the 'Veteran' teams with ease. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Even though the vet teams are the best of the 1.0x players?
  • IncitatusIncitatus Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4316Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--BreakfastSausages+Jul 25 2003, 05:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BreakfastSausages @ Jul 25 2003, 05:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If there were serious prizes at stake I would say they should be excluded, but when the only prize is the enjoyment of playing a good match or two, why does it matter? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Totally agree.

    p.s jojoshua, you're totally missing the point of that last post.
  • DarkFrostDarkFrost Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited July 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--NickBlasta+Jul 25 2003, 08:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NickBlasta @ Jul 25 2003, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mythr1l+Jul 25 2003, 02:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mythr1l @ Jul 25 2003, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> really annoying when the Player testing clans are reffered to as 'Veteran' clans, i know plenty of non PT clans who would 4-0 most of the 'Veteran' teams with ease. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Even though the vet teams are the best of the 1.0x players? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They arent the best, i cant say for the US ones, but the UK ones happened to be at the right place at the right time, high in clan base, there are clans who were not in that, and will never be in it, that could teach your granny how to bake cakes!

    Oh and who cares if they are in the leagues, they will teach the other clans in games they play.
  • kavasakavasa Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11889Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->really annoying when the Player testing clans are reffered to as 'Veteran' clans, i know plenty of non PT clans who would 4-0 most of the 'Veteran' teams with ease.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    By all means, enlighten us! Who <i>are</i> these mystery clans that couldn't be bothered to play in CAL - or anywhere else for that matter - who are nonetheless able to lay a 4-0 smackdown on most of <a href='http://nsa.wideloader.com/topten.php' target='_blank'>this list</a> and the international clans that went toe to toe with them?

    Whatever.

    Anyways, for the original question, I'm gonna parrot pumpnscoot. Give us poor non-vets a month to scrounge up some rosters and get scrimmaging. Speaking of, though, when's the v2 CAL preseason gonna start?
  • Mythr1lMythr1l Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12772Members
    NickBlasta: Their not the best of the 1.0x players. saying thats just a joke.

    Clanbase also holds no value at all, last time i checked the top of clanbase were Fek, who we beat 4-0 and 3-1 on consecutive occasions.


    kavasa: .torment. and Natural Resistance would beat most of the tester clans, imo even clans like imV would be able to give some a run for their money.
  • RipperRipper Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17299Members
    edited July 2003
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited July 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jojoshua+Jul 25 2003, 01:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jojoshua @ Jul 25 2003, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Should 2.0 Ptin Clans Be In 2.0 Tournaments, 11 days after 2.0 is released?

    Yes.


    Its not like we wouldnt own anyways. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, as long as you don't play EU clans, apparently...

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Owned...

    This topic is about to get locked by the way, if the good humor does not return.
  • YumosisYumosis Join Date: 2003-01-12 Member: 12222Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mythr1l+Jul 25 2003, 03:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mythr1l @ Jul 25 2003, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NickBlasta: Their not the best of the 1.0x players. saying thats just a joke.

    Clanbase also holds no value at all, last time i checked the top of clanbase were Fek, who we beat 4-0 and 3-1 on consecutive occasions.


    kavasa: .torment. and Natural Resistance would beat most of the tester clans, imo even clans like imV would be able to give some a run for their money.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You've got to be kidding me <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> , Vets are VETS for a reason.
    <a href='http://nonoobs.com/' target='_blank'>http://nonoobs.com/</a> imV is OUR sister clan, dont think all vets are ignorant of clanbase.
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