Kill Binds With Onos

zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">topic</div> I was on 'The Untitled Karaa Tooth Pick association server [2]'and the server admin/owner 'The Mazter' was using a kill bind to kill himself before a onos eats him.

I started to tell him off coz it is a damn lame and distruptive to the game as eating ppl is ment to keep that person outta the fight for a short time.

His responce was to ban me, which is his choice, but just proves that new exploits are appearing already (sure to be fixed) not to mention him being a **** about it.

I have yet to see this used beyond this server, but would like to know if voogru?? which they stopped the jointeamone stuff could stop the kill bind as well?

I know kill is needed if you get stuck but ppl can use the stuck mod which solves that, and if that is installed i do not see how kill bind or function could be useful, unless you get somewhere where you really are beyound the stuck command which is unlikely in v2?

zippy
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  • MilkyPMilkyP Join Date: 2003-04-25 Member: 15841Members
    Solution: Dont play on that server.

    The majority of servers have responible admins who wont do things like that, so just move on
  • LambdaProjectLambdaProject Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 230Members
    I would at least kick for it. And I agree with milky because he is the best ever. <3
  • antifreezeantifreeze The guy with the goods&#33; Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16232Members, Constellation
    I think to combat this flay should set the kill delay to 10 seconds. If you are really stuck you would rather wait 10 seconds than have to leave the game. But with a kill delay like that it would be hard to avoid been eaten aslong as the kill bind is cancelled while been digested.
  • Dr_AwkwardDr_Awkward Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9395Members
    The /kill thing is becoming a bit of a problem on a lot of servers. I don't see why server admins should have to watch 24/7 to kick/ban everyone who tries using /kill to get out of an onos, even if the server doesn't allow it. The /kill command should be turned off when you get devoured, or failing that, have a delay longer than it will take to digest a fully healed marine. The 3 second delay is way too short.
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    i'm now banned but moving on is easy, always another server full of noobs to shout at (ask to see zippy's spray if you see him in game [zippy][zip] to understand that one)

    though i do find noobs tend to listen more now they can go gorge, but always something to shout at em about <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I just thought that, as a admin, he should be setting a example about exploiting etc... This is not on, but the idea about the kill is canceled whenyou get eaten, damn st8 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    zippy
  • MilkyPMilkyP Join Date: 2003-04-25 Member: 15841Members
    edited August 2003
    As for getting stuck,

    you can always f4 and re join the team...

    of course that would suck for the aliens because of res loss, but...yea..
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    solution...

    remove digest


    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    NEVER

    *does evil mom eye look, after yrs of study*

    zippy
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    edited August 2003
    Err theres no big problem i see with that.
    If flay wants no kill he just would have taken it out.
    For a kill you get 1-3 res (random) but thats not the most important thing of killing.
    When you type kill in console theres a 3 seconds deelay, and in 3 seconds much stuff can happen. you are dead earlier and using more Reinforcement/IP power.
    <b>I never typed kill when beeing devoured. An Onos is more or less out of the battle while its devouring, thats good. killing self makes no sense here.</b>
    Does my weapon drop when i kill myself being eaten?
    I many times killed myself being surrounded by 3 skulks running around me when im needed elsewere.
    Killing self with equipment makes no sense.
  • AminalAminal Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10610Members, Constellation
    there is a 15 second delay for /kill on the server I play on, so no big deal really.
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    Onos's are never outta the picture when it comes to devouring, I like redemption on smaller maps with my onos and i run in eat the heavy and butt the lmg's in total i kill around 3-6 guyz before i redempt or escape.

    devour is a great way to take out a gl or hmg HA/ nasty marine first.

    When you die in a onos you do drop your weapon. Basically you die when you finish digesting and if you came across te body you'd think it's a standard death.

    zippy
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    hell jeah, digesting MIGHT need 2 fixes:

    - when the onos redeemts digesting the marine survives (wounded), or the onos gets some extra damage (that might kill him).
    - killing self/leaving inside an onos is impossible or gives the onos an extra boost.
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    I think it's fine as it is olli, just needs that kill exploit fixed.

    zippy
  • homerxhomerx Join Date: 2003-04-01 Member: 15094Members
    Ollj,

    How is an onos "out of the picture" when he is digesting a marine?
  • NophelNophel Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17121Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--homerx+Aug 3 2003, 10:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (homerx @ Aug 3 2003, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ollj,

    How is an onos "out of the picture" when he is digesting a marine? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Most Onos run back to hive for healing or fall behind the front line while they digest, thus they are "out of the picture" while they digest.
  • LambdaProjectLambdaProject Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 230Members
    Or redeem which is getting ever so annoying.
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--zippy+Aug 3 2003, 03:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zippy @ Aug 3 2003, 03:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Onos's are never outta the picture when it comes to devouring, I like redemption on smaller maps with my onos and i run in eat the heavy and butt the lmg's in total i kill around 3-6 guyz before i redempt or escape.

    devour is a great way to take out a gl or hmg HA/ nasty marine first. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    this also goes for when i use cara, i can still take out 3-6 guyz and heal and still devour a guy, devour doesn't stop me.
  • GrimmGrimm Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15448Members
    He means that since the onos is digesting someone already, it wouldn't want to run back into battle to redempt and lose its victim or to be killed and lose its victim. That and/or people have too much fun devouring marines so they wait until their current victim is digested. This situation doesn't seem to apply too much tho, I devour one guy and go on to gore the next and keep fighting, I don't mind losing my victim thru redemption if I can still eliminate others on the marine side.

    As for the /kill admin, its very unfortunate that people are willing to exploit it in order to save theirselves.
  • BryBry Join Date: 2003-01-23 Member: 12609Members
    Their is a solution to this which is on every ns server but msut be actaully used

    mp_killdelay

    if the server admins set this cvar to around 3-5 secodns it makes it very hard to suicide before u get devoured as u run the risk of doing it too soon or too late
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    no this admin uses it befo reyou get eaten, ht eonly problem is if they try it to late as long as you type kill before devour you wont get digested.

    zippy
  • ManosManos Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1956Members
    edited August 2003
    well i saw what happened zippy.

    I think you remember me as Mano*XS

    Maybe there was an miscomunication

    When i asked him why he banned ya, he said you threathened to ban him on all other server's

    because just before he banned you, you said something like: "Kill Binds with Onos gets ya kicked/banned on other server's"

    maybe he read it wrong.

    but probably he was just frustrated about something, because he banned some other ppl aswel.

    [off-topic]
    Zippy, i like ur style of commanding and bossing ppl around. you remind me of bad sargeants and drill-instructors in Vietnam movies, but it really worked out great.
    [/offtopic]
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    i did not threaten what so ever, you was there, all i did was tell him off for doing that lame shite.

    I did say that if he ws on any other server their admins would kick or ban you.

    Anyhow not my problem.

    I may be loud and my spray shows that, but slander ain't something I take lightly.

    zippy
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Piff your all nuts me for one i like to type kill just before an onos eats me as i dont like the prospect for being sat in thier for upto 45 secounds i think.

    I play the game to have fun not to be sat around waiting to die devour is the CS spawn time were u get that anoyying little camper that just does not want to die and u have to wait 3 mins to play again.

    Me for 1 i hate devour maybe if they took the damage upto 15 per tick instead of 3 id be happy ive allready removed the red background as someone suggested as it gets anoyying after u been eaten 50+ times and the fact it hurts my eyes

    Roobs has a 15 secound kill delay at the mo altho its still enough time to kill yaself tho.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    Just terminate the mp_killdelay after you are swallowed, just like it blocks evolving.

    Jasp, it's 30 seconds. So you can't stand being the 3rd person in line to spawn? Surely if you can wait for HL2, you can wait for 30 seconds to nuke a cheese stick.
  • SudzzSudzz Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18663Members, Constellation
    I was there too, that admin is abusive <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> But anyway, the bind is a problem with Onos :-\
  • AaronAaron vroom vroom der party startah Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7020Members
    I tried /kill (to see if anything had been done to counter that strategy) but it did nothing, so I thought it was disabled...is it really there, or what?
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--QuoteBegin--Aaron+Aug 3 2003, 12:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aaron @ Aug 3 2003, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I tried /kill (to see if anything had been done to counter that strategy) but it did nothing, so I thought it was disabled...is it really there, or what? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, there's a delay. I'm not sure if the slash is needed, though. Kill works just fine.
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Kill is their as long as your not being devoured if u are F4 and kill are both disabled trick is to type kill just before the big fat thingy eats u then u just die and dont have to wait around to play again.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jasp+Aug 3 2003, 12:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jasp @ Aug 3 2003, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kill is their as long as your not being devoured if u are F4 and kill are both disabled trick is to type kill just before the big fat thingy eats u then u just die and dont have to wait around to play again. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, but that's an exploit--it wasn't supposed to happen, you have to wait out Devour. Don't type kill before you're eaten, it's amazingly lame.
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Im not gonna wait around to die id rather kill myself then wait however long it is to play again (something like 30-45) secounds i think if the onos wants to kill me he should horn me or charge me not eat me, horn does more damage then devour it kills the marine faster and it doesnt slow u down so why do people do hits and runs with nout but devour i tell u why to **** up other peoples fun.

    If they didnt want me to kill myself they should of taken out the command. if a server has a rule no kill just before getting eaten i will obey it but till i see the rule on the server info i will kill myself before it eats me.
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