<!--QuoteBegin--Jasp+Aug 3 2003, 02:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jasp @ Aug 3 2003, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> but till i see the rule on the server info i will kill myself before it eats me <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You sir are baselessly self-centered.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Solution: Dont play on that server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> rofl he cant hes banned.....
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The majority of servers have responible admins who wont do things like that, so just move on<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
show0r me a "responible admin" PLZ iv yet to meet 1
but with 2.0 solo marines are useless even the best players from 1.04 have trubal killing more then a 2 skul rush mabie they'll stop slapping me around now <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ty to the person that totaly buggered the game <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->(from the lone marine perspective) (no sarcasm at all) ^^ i was asked to put that in my post cos ive been told sarcasm and yanks dont mix well (aparently)!
KenichiThis is not a pie.Join Date: 2002-11-01Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
as i recall the kill delay is a server variable and as such is set by the server. Dont like the time on that server? DONT PLAY THERE. It is really just that simple. No voogru mod would change that at all. kill and f4 are disabled during digesting anyway so i really see absolutly on problem.
If that admin wants to let the kill delay be 0 then so be it. It is his choice to let this be on his server.
you all have lost the plot - the person KILL DELAYS before you eat him so when in you he already on 3 second timer in your stomach and he dies because of the kill command.
We are surgesting a counter by devour cancels the kill command before during and after devour.
Please read the posts before commenting, it helps, thankyou.
<!--QuoteBegin--zippy+Aug 3 2003, 03:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zippy @ Aug 3 2003, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you all have lost the plot - the person KILL DELAYS before you eat him so when in you he already on 3 second timer in your stomach and he dies because of the kill command.
We are surgesting a counter by devour cancels the kill command before during and after devour.
Please read the posts before commenting, it helps, thankyou. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> what he said
I have a better fix for this. <span style='color:red'>*WHAM.* Please refrain from balance-suggestions until you've had more than a few days to play the game.</span>
I found that you can just type..a certain word in the console in order to get out of the belly of a onos...and i dont want to say what it is cause i dont want to see it in servers all over..but iono and dev's want to message me ill tell you it =\ unless you already know..but it could spread fast..people will do anything to get out of a onos and tell them "haha you stupid **** you can never eat me!"
kill can't be taken out. Leagues like CAL dis-allow server-side mods like AdminMod, thus, no stuck-plugin allowed either. Just FYI on why kill is still there.
I was wondering if it works to kill ur self just before u get eaten, because kill dont work if u are eaten already. So when i saw Zippy, i hit the kill button. And i have to say it works fine. He eat me and 2 seconds later i die <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
after that i tryed another time to watch if it was realy easy to do. And yet it is. Did i say that i would exploid this bug?? It was more 'testing if it works' to make sure to find a solution about it.
Puting the server on a kill limed of 45 second isnt realy a solution. Because if u base is under attack and everyone is at the other end of the map u can say.. hmm lets kill my self and when i spawn i kill those **** aliens.
Reason why i banned you was because you where crying that u would get me banned on every server. So why cannt i ban u on 3 servers to start with. Prolly i read it wrong, then u are free to come and discuss it with me and i will do a unban if its true. If not.. well SUYF (hmm somehow s t f u changed in suyf but nm) then <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hope there is a plugin / fix soon for this. Till that time it will be added to the rules. Cuz it looks like a exploit for me. (same as those lamers who leave the server if they get eaten :-/ quit/exit should take 1 minute at last ^^)
I was wondering if it works to kill ur self just before u get eaten, because kill dont work if u are eaten already. So when i saw Zippy, i hit the kill button. And i have to say it works fine. He eat me and 2 seconds later i die <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
after that i tryed another time to watch if it was realy easy to do. And yet it is. Did i say that i would exploid this bug?? It was more 'testing if it works' to make sure to find a solution about it.
Puting the server on a kill limed of 45 second isnt realy a solution. Because if u base is under attack and everyone is at the other end of the map u can say.. hmm lets kill my self and when i spawn i kill those **** aliens.
Reason why i banned you was because you where crying that u would get me banned on every server. So why cannt i ban u on 3 servers to start with. Prolly i read it wrong, then u are free to come and discuss it with me and i will do a unban if its true. If not.. well SUYF (hmm somehow s t f u changed in suyf but nm) then <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hope there is a plugin / fix soon for this. Till that time it will be added to the rules. Cuz it looks like a exploit for me. (same as those lamers who leave the server if they get eaten :-/ quit/exit should take 1 minute at last ^^) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I said that 'if this was any other server you would get banned', I fail to see how this was translated into, 'I will get you banned from ever server'.
As i said pages bk, I ain't bothered if I am banned from a server or not, I'm gonna make it my duty to make sure adusive admins and there servers are listed somewhere with proof now. Then ppl can make there own mind up if or not they wish to use that server.
Furthur details on that soon...contact me about it on msn, aim, irc@website or icq about enquires.
HAMBoneProbably the best CommanderJoin Date: 2003-04-02Member: 15139Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Uhh, the game has been released and this exact issue has been addressed(3 second kill timer), so it is officially a viable strategy. Whats the big deal, anyways? If they kill themselves then you accomplished your goal of them being dead and you still have an empty stomach to devour someone else with. You're onos for goodness sake, are you really gonna miss that 1-2 extra res?
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
The WHOLE idea of devour is to get marines NOT to spawn as fast. With 4 Oni devouring a marine each, that's 4 less marines to worry about when you're trying to end the game. Yesterday I was playing on a server and the marines stretched the game on for 20 more minutes by using this kill exploit. They would rush up, empty most of their clip on me (lvl3 weapons), and die in my stomach. The result? I'd have to go away and heal at the nearest healing station - and eventually change strategy completely in order to finish the game.
mp_killdelay should be fixed at 10 seconds and should <b><span style='color:red'>NOT</span></b> be able to be changed/altered in ANY way AKA <b>Hard coded</b> (unchangable) to the mod's programming.
i dont know how many times i've chased a marine down to devour him; its probably as exhilarating to the marine as it is to the onos to "OMG RUUUUN!!!1" and "YOUR DEAD GET BACK HEEERE!" respectivly. the /kill command destroys that. The onos devours a marine taking him out of combat allowing the onos to kill other marines with charge/gore + stomp while gaining some health from eating the marine and the marine inside can't escape.
Onos devour and redeem isn't a "bug" or "cheap azz tactic" its legal when you think about it. Why wouldn't the onos get redeemed without its stomach contents? In StarTrek does someone leave behind their lunch when they get teleported somewhere? no, they dont.
Oops, went off with the above paragraph. *cough* anyways, if the marine /kill s himself he's back in the spawn cheque FASTER than he should've been; if he had been devoured he'd been in the stomach for how long? 10-15 seconds? 10-15 seconds plus the time it takes to respawn. if you /kill yourself you're avoiding those 10-15 additional seconds all together to try to avoid the stomach o death.
"Go ahead, ban me from the server when I complain about how <b>YOU</b> exploited something. Atleast <b>I</b> play by the rules." Is what i say.
When you use kill, there is a delay before you spawn again. Typing kill before being devoured simply means that the onos is free to devour someone else, and you are spending your time in the spawn queue instead of the onos belly. Deal with it, and don't be immature about it.
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
edited August 2003
Please keep in mind that no matter how long you make the delay, if it isn't as long as the digestion time, the marine will not get fully digested. You simply initiate the countdown before you are consumed.
Increasing the delay time will simply give rise to an even greater level of exploitation - where light armored marines would be able to take out offense chamber walls with light machine guns - running in and blasting away two clips before the suicide kicks in.
And with devour, the marine will spend time in the belly of the Onos <b>and</b> then he'll spend even more time in the spawn-in cue. Isn't that the whole point of devour?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> To increase the time spent off of the battle field?
<!--QuoteBegin--Sarisel+Aug 4 2003, 12:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Aug 4 2003, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Increasing the delay time will simply give rise to an even greater level of exploitation - where light armored marines would be able to take out offense chamber walls with light machine guns - running in and blasting away two clips before the suicide kicks in. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ack. I see the reason why its 3 seconds now. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Maybe if the marine could see the onos the /kill would be disabled?
[e]i doubt a marine would sit in base and /kill himself all the time and when it doesn't work he says "onos" but i doubt that in tourny mode (where respawns cost $) and in normal mode too[/e]
If the marine inside of you suicides, eat another. This invalidates the principle of killing inside an onos, as there is now one marine stuck delayed in the spawn queue and one in your stomach. If all you are doing is devouring, however, then you're not really being an effective Onos anyway.
Not to make light of a serious subject (okay so maybe I am making light of it, so sue me), but if you were some hapless humanoid that gets gobbled up into what looks like a giant, mutated, and downright scary looking rhino and your skin is slowly being dissolved off your body in what is essentually concentrated HCl (maybe sulfuric acid, I dont know my karha biology, but im sure its something nasty), that pistol might start looking might good to you too <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
It's already been said in this thread, and largely ignored:
The solution is <b>very</b> simple - convince your friendly local server admins to set mp_killdelay to something high (10-15 seconds is perfect). That way you can't use it to avoid unwanted deaths, but it's still better than having to retry if you get stuck on a server without the /stuck plugin.
(hmm, next time I'll notice there are more pages to be read before I post)
Aaronvroom vroom der party startahJoin Date: 2002-11-05Member: 7020Members
edited August 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Aug 4 2003, 03:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Aug 4 2003, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When you use kill, there is a delay before you spawn again. Typing kill before being devoured simply means that the onos is free to devour someone else, and you are spending your time in the spawn queue instead of the onos belly. Deal with it, and don't be immature about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> When you say "delay before you spawn" do you mean the norm delay that is always there (obviously) or some extra delay that is added? What should happen (in a perfect world) is that the player is marked as "eaten" and REGARDLESS of whether they /kill themselves they should STILL wait the same amount of time to respawn (and better yet, even accross disconnects/reconnects). Actually, if they try to be "clever" and type /kill at this point, they simply lose the option of their teammates killing the onos and bringing them back.
edit: clarification, this is my opinion of how it should work to be exploit free, not how it actually does work (I don't know)
I have observed that there is an extra delay before spawning when you use kill. This could be my imagination, however I am reasonably sure that it does add more time.
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
That's a great idea if it could be implemented - one way to solve the problem. Just assign a longer respawn time, regardless of whether the marine is inside the stomach or outside (when he suicides). So if the kill was activated, and the onos devours, then the wait time will still be devour+respawn and not just respawn.
I think the fact that you complain about the marine KILLING HIMSELF (killing him was your intent right? Thats how you win the game?) just proves that you're sick and dimented. I believe you enjoy making people miserable because you know that few people enjoy staring at a giant rectum for 30 seconds, thats what I don't get.
Why do yo ucare? Your intent was to kill them anyway wasn't it? Either that or you basically admit to being a sadist. Let them kill themselves, make your victory a bit easier. I havne't seen anyone doing it, play a different server if that one isn't fullfilling your sadist needs.
I know alotta people who just like **** people off, they're outta the game long enough, especailly if they only have 1-2 IP's and everyone who sees you kills themselves. Why take 1 guy outta the game for 30+ seconds when you can take out half the team for longer. 2 + 2 = 4
- when the onos redeemts digesting the marine survives (wounded), or the onos gets some extra damage (that might kill him). - killing self/leaving inside an onos is impossible or gives the onos an extra boost.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree with Olli...
I think a digesting marine should survive (though wounded) if the Onos redemtions. Too many times, Oni run into base, devour a marine and go on a rampage until they finally get redemtioned - taking the marine with them. There is absolutely no risk factor involved...
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You sir are baselessly self-centered.
rofl he cant hes banned.....
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The majority of servers have responible admins who wont do things like that, so just move on<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
show0r me a "responible admin" PLZ iv yet to meet 1
but with 2.0 solo marines are useless
even the best players from 1.04 have trubal killing more then a 2 skul rush
mabie they'll stop slapping me around now <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ty to the person that totaly buggered the game <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->(from the lone marine perspective) (no sarcasm at all)
^^ i was asked to put that in my post cos ive been told sarcasm and yanks dont mix well (aparently)!
If that admin wants to let the kill delay be 0 then so be it. It is his choice to let this be on his server.
We are surgesting a counter by devour cancels the kill command before during and after devour.
Please read the posts before commenting, it helps, thankyou.
a. get killed
b. press esc, disconnect, reconect (type retry in the console)
The best solution to stop kill-devour-explo's would be to set the kill delay on 5 seconds. That should be enough time to eat a rine.
If you haven't tried it yet, F4 and kill is disabled in the stomach.
We are surgesting a counter by devour cancels the kill command before during and after devour.
Please read the posts before commenting, it helps, thankyou. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
what he said
<span style='color:red'>*WHAM.* Please refrain from balance-suggestions until you've had more than a few days to play the game.</span>
zippy
and no..its not 'retry'
I was wondering if it works to kill ur self just before u get eaten, because kill dont work if u are eaten already. So when i saw Zippy, i hit the kill button. And i have to say it works fine. He eat me and 2 seconds later i die <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
after that i tryed another time to watch if it was realy easy to do. And yet it is. Did i say that i would exploid this bug?? It was more 'testing if it works' to make sure to find a solution about it.
Puting the server on a kill limed of 45 second isnt realy a solution. Because if u base is under attack and everyone is at the other end of the map u can say.. hmm lets kill my self and when i spawn i kill those **** aliens.
Reason why i banned you was because you where crying that u would get me banned on every server. So why cannt i ban u on 3 servers to start with. Prolly i read it wrong, then u are free to come and discuss it with me and i will do a unban if its true. If not.. well SUYF (hmm somehow s t f u changed in suyf but nm) then <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hope there is a plugin / fix soon for this. Till that time it will be added to the rules. Cuz it looks like a exploit for me. (same as those lamers who leave the server if they get eaten :-/ quit/exit should take 1 minute at last ^^)
I was wondering if it works to kill ur self just before u get eaten, because kill dont work if u are eaten already. So when i saw Zippy, i hit the kill button. And i have to say it works fine. He eat me and 2 seconds later i die <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
after that i tryed another time to watch if it was realy easy to do. And yet it is. Did i say that i would exploid this bug?? It was more 'testing if it works' to make sure to find a solution about it.
Puting the server on a kill limed of 45 second isnt realy a solution. Because if u base is under attack and everyone is at the other end of the map u can say.. hmm lets kill my self and when i spawn i kill those **** aliens.
Reason why i banned you was because you where crying that u would get me banned on every server. So why cannt i ban u on 3 servers to start with. Prolly i read it wrong, then u are free to come and discuss it with me and i will do a unban if its true. If not.. well SUYF (hmm somehow s t f u changed in suyf but nm) then <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hope there is a plugin / fix soon for this. Till that time it will be added to the rules. Cuz it looks like a exploit for me. (same as those lamers who leave the server if they get eaten :-/ quit/exit should take 1 minute at last ^^) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I said that 'if this was any other server you would get banned', I fail to see how this was translated into, 'I will get you banned from ever server'.
As i said pages bk, I ain't bothered if I am banned from a server or not, I'm gonna make it my duty to make sure adusive admins and there servers are listed somewhere with proof now. Then ppl can make there own mind up if or not they wish to use that server.
Furthur details on that soon...contact me about it on msn, aim, irc@website or icq about enquires.
zippy
i dont know how many times i've chased a marine down to devour him; its probably as exhilarating to the marine as it is to the onos to "OMG RUUUUN!!!1" and "YOUR DEAD GET BACK HEEERE!" respectivly. the /kill command destroys that. The onos devours a marine taking him out of combat allowing the onos to kill other marines with charge/gore + stomp while gaining some health from eating the marine and the marine inside can't escape.
Onos devour and redeem isn't a "bug" or "cheap azz tactic" its legal when you think about it. Why wouldn't the onos get redeemed without its stomach contents? In StarTrek does someone leave behind their lunch when they get teleported somewhere? no, they dont.
Oops, went off with the above paragraph. *cough* anyways, if the marine /kill s himself he's back in the spawn cheque FASTER than he should've been; if he had been devoured he'd been in the stomach for how long? 10-15 seconds? 10-15 seconds plus the time it takes to respawn. if you /kill yourself you're avoiding those 10-15 additional seconds all together to try to avoid the stomach o death.
"Go ahead, ban me from the server when I complain about how <b>YOU</b> exploited something. Atleast <b>I</b> play by the rules." Is what i say.
Increasing the delay time will simply give rise to an even greater level of exploitation - where light armored marines would be able to take out offense chamber walls with light machine guns - running in and blasting away two clips before the suicide kicks in.
And with devour, the marine will spend time in the belly of the Onos <b>and</b> then he'll spend even more time in the spawn-in cue. Isn't that the whole point of devour?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> To increase the time spent off of the battle field?
Ack. I see the reason why its 3 seconds now. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Maybe if the marine could see the onos the /kill would be disabled?
[e]i doubt a marine would sit in base and /kill himself all the time and when it doesn't work he says "onos" but i doubt that in tourny mode (where respawns cost $) and in normal mode too[/e]
The solution is <b>very</b> simple - convince your friendly local server admins to set mp_killdelay to something high (10-15 seconds is perfect). That way you can't use it to avoid unwanted deaths, but it's still better than having to retry if you get stuck on a server without the /stuck plugin.
(hmm, next time I'll notice there are more pages to be read before I post)
When you say "delay before you spawn" do you mean the norm delay that is always there (obviously) or some extra delay that is added? What should happen (in a perfect world) is that the player is marked as "eaten" and REGARDLESS of whether they /kill themselves they should STILL wait the same amount of time to respawn (and better yet, even accross disconnects/reconnects). Actually, if they try to be "clever" and type /kill at this point, they simply lose the option of their teammates killing the onos and bringing them back.
edit: clarification, this is my opinion of how it should work to be exploit free, not how it actually does work (I don't know)
Why do yo ucare? Your intent was to kill them anyway wasn't it? Either that or you basically admit to being a sadist. Let them kill themselves, make your victory a bit easier. I havne't seen anyone doing it, play a different server if that one isn't fullfilling your sadist needs.
I know alotta people who just like **** people off, they're outta the game long enough, especailly if they only have 1-2 IP's and everyone who sees you kills themselves. Why take 1 guy outta the game for 30+ seconds when you can take out half the team for longer. 2 + 2 = 4
- when the onos redeemts digesting the marine survives (wounded), or the onos gets some extra damage (that might kill him).
- killing self/leaving inside an onos is impossible or gives the onos an extra boost.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree with Olli...
I think a digesting marine should survive (though wounded) if the Onos redemtions. Too many times, Oni run into base, devour a marine and go on a rampage until they finally get redemtioned - taking the marine with them. There is absolutely no risk factor involved...