What Makes Or Breaks Rine Wins

BugBrain · August 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">It ain't "leet skillz", that's for sure.</div> Actual skill with a gun is not that important. It helps, but it does not make or break games. The cross eyed two-left-handed rine that follows orders and works for the good of the team is far better than any sharpshooter that runs of to kill a few skulks, then die. I just left an on going game. Kharaa had 3 hives and a lot of res, but we were holding our own. I estimate about 12 HA were dropped, along with plentiful welders, some HMG, even a few shottys. Lvl 3 armor and weps, motion tracking, the whole nine yards. The furthest the rines had ever got when I left was when three HA and two vanilla rines teamed up. They managed to take a res tower and set up an outpost outside a hive, but lost it due to lack of reinforcements (as I waited to respawn, I counted about 5 people humping the armory while the phase gate to the outpost died). The rest of that arsenal was wasted by rambos who kept getting eaten or faded to death. Of course, the aliens were not that much more coordinated, or we would'a been dead a looong time ago, but still.

My point is, even if you are the best shot in the world, yet don't event try to act as part of a group, you are a poor NS player.

Jeb_Radec · August 2003

so damn true... so damn true... i won't even go into the experiences i'v had w\ armory humping marines while a phase is dieing but i have a fix! In the next version your home address will be displayed in the score board. Then when u run off w\ one of the teams few HA/HMGs I can send a fire bomb to your house, or if you are humping the armory while the phase died I will buy a plane ticket, come to your house, and kick you in the testicles until you vomit blood so you cannot contaminate the rest of the species.

Monkeybonk · August 2003

Allow the commander to tweak the armory:

Like: Only give out X clips of LMG, Y clips of pistol, etc.

Jaml · August 2003

Yes the marines have to learn to get their act together and move as a team. 4+ HA Squads are pretty unstoppable and can easily take down a hive. I played a lot on marines the last days and every time we went for res nodes, teched to HA and moved in squads we won. But we lost every other game. Its essential to move in squads as HA aren´t the ultimate fighting machine anymore. They loose easily to digestion and redemption onos and other coordinated attacks. When im onos i havent a chance against a HA squad but most of the time its easy to digest a marine because theres always one that doesnt stays close with his teammate and charges you thinking hes invincible with his shiny new HA/HMG.

Bottom line: If marines stay together they win. If not they end as onos ****

<span style='color:red'>The swear filters are there for a reason.</span>

Kissamies · August 2003

Nah, let commander turn the armory off when they absolutely, positively need to stop humping it and go rescue that fricken phase gate. Personally I do rambo, but only when I have vanilla equipment and am not actually told to go somewhere.

MeLeNkO · August 2003

lolz

Feannag · August 2003

It's like PlanetSide! Without the POS CoF system, and paying $13 a month to play it. Oh, and it has more fun too.

lazygamer · August 2003

I think people are forgetting something. "elite" skillz will not save a poor teamplayer, but lack of them CAN condemn several teamplayers who stick together.

Imagine critical missions, where the ability to conserve ammo, shoot straight, and avoid those skulk bites can mean the difference between having a 2 man squad or a 1 man squad, out in the field. Or it can mean the difference between having that crucial frontline turret factory built, or being destroyed. Also, consider how much bang for your buck you get from a GOOD player who is armed with some expensive equipment.

Also, it's not just "elite" skillks as in marksmanship. Other marines skillz come into play. Such as knowing the map, stealth, instincts, cleverness, experience(knowing what is more likely the best choice for you to make when you have to make a choice) and positioning.

USCMLieutenant_Ripley · August 2003

Seing a post that's flat our wrong is funny and easy to correct. How many times have you seen 4 HA stand up against 1 redeeming onos (outside of all the skulks)...never. What makes or breaks marine wins is the ability to not die. Moving and planning. Leet shooting is expected and necessary outside of anything else. Aliens most often lose because of a bad starting plan (or no plan). Marines lose because they dont stick together, are afraid, AND OR can't shoot. You're under the impression that you can afford 4+ HA...that would only come from alien deaths by marine or tower, not res towers.

Birdy · August 2003

Who guards you from aliens when you are building a phasegate/resource tower? the "elite"
Who defends a new outpost untill reinforcements arive? the "elite"
Who protects you when you are reloading your hmg? the "elite"
Who jumps over a WoL to shoot that gorge in your base? the "elite"
Who holds off a skulk rush when everyone's dead or armory humping? the "elite"

sorry, but to have a working team you NEED different types of players..

builder,defender,attacker etc.

Jaml · August 2003

Leet shooting skillz are useless. A total noob can hit something the size of an onos. The difference is that 4 average players will kill the onos, the leet skillzor haxor gets eaten and wastes precious res. 4 HA are very common on good servers where marines actually win. Everyone is complaining about alien dominance but aliens will remain dominant as long as all you CS vets don´t get it that teamwork is the only leet skill in NS.

TeddyBear · August 2003

Ow the marines can win now? ... did they update from 2.0 or is this a trick to fool teh newbiez? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Jaml · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Birdy @ Aug 5 2003, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Who guards you from aliens when you are building a phasegate/resource tower? the "elite"
Who defends a new outpost untill reinforcements arive? the "elite"
Who protects you when you are reloading your hmg? the "elite"
Who jumps over a WoL to shoot that gorge in your base? the "elite"
Who holds off a skulk rush when everyone's dead or armory humping? the "elite"

sorry, but to have a working team you NEED different types of players..

builder,defender,attacker etc.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Who gets eaten by an onos wasting 50 res while standing alone by an outpost? The leet

Who complains about redemption onos caus they cant gunn them down and get eaten cause they run gun hoo into the enemy hive? The leet

Who never listens to commanders but instead goes out to try to knife a lerk just to get eaten by the nearby skulk over and over again? The leet

Who whines for Hmg saying they could own every hive 2 secs flat only to get killed by the first cloacked OC? The leet.

Who complains about the comm being a noob but never goes into the chair cause the only thing he can do is frag? And when he gets in he drops 4 CC then F4´s? The leet.

Those so called leet people that think they own cause they can shoot are the worst thing for a comm. I take a newbie that sticks to the other and follows orders every day over a leet gunner that thinks he knows everything better than all the others and just wastes my res.

lazygamer · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Leet shooting skillz are useless. A total noob can hit something the size of an onos. The difference is that 4 average players will kill the onos, the leet skillzor haxor gets eaten and wastes precious res. 4 HA are very common on good servers where marines actually win. Everyone is complaining about alien dominance but aliens will remain dominant as long as all you CS vets don´t get it that teamwork is the only leet skill in NS.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Yes, but that's an ONOS! What about skulks, gorges, lerks, and fades?

No the leet skillzor haxor doesn't waste precious resources. The leet skillzor haxor(who doesn't have to have a HMG or HA) barely prevents his squad from being wiped out while their performing a crucial and dangerous mission.

The leet skillzor haxors who are resources drains aren't skilled NS players, they are **** CS vets who can shoot good. I'm talking about the teamplayers who can shoot alot better than average.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Who gets eaten by an onos wasting 50 res while standing alone by an outpost? The leet</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

And a single regular player with the same 50 res gear would of done any better?

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Who complains about redemption onos caus they cant gunn them down and get eaten cause they run gun hoo into the enemy hive? The leet</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

There is a difference between awesome marine player skills and being a rambo.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Who never listens to commanders but instead goes out to try to knife a lerk just to get eaten by the nearby skulk over and over again? The leet</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Leet means you can shoot good and follow orders btw. These don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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Who whines for Hmg saying they could own every hive 2 secs flat only to get killed by the first cloacked OC? The leet.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

They are called morons, actually.

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Who complains about the comm being a noob but never goes into the chair cause the only thing he can do is frag? And when he gets in he drops 4 CC then F4´s? The leet.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

The morons once again.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Those so called leet people that think they own cause they can shoot are the worst thing for a comm. I take a newbie that sticks to the other and follows orders every day over a leet gunner that thinks he knows everything better than all the others and just wastes my res.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

For sure, but how many comms have sent a few people to cap a res node, or defend an area, only for them to die?(and not die from an unwinnable situation either) There is nothing wrong with a good player to add insurance to a plan, when he is placed with some other teammates on a mission.

Jaml · August 2003

If they follow orders and stick together fine its great. But most of them just want to frag and thats bad.

Omnifire · August 2003

I disagree with you guys. People with good aim are a major plus even if they don't follow orders. In 2.0 you are rewarded for kills and if i am commanding i will aid my team with getting weapons upgrades ASAP. Of course if the whole team doens't follow orders you have a problem but that guy ramboing is keeping the aliens occupied and should be looked at as contributing an important role.

Jaml · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Omnifire @ Aug 5 2003, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I disagree with you guys. People with good aim are a major plus even if they don't follow orders. In 2.0 you are rewarded for kills and if i am commanding i will aid my team with getting weapons upgrades ASAP. Of course if the whole team doens't follow orders you have a problem but that guy ramboing is keeping the aliens occupied and should be looked at as contributing an important role.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Guys like you are the reason aliens win so much. If a rambo marine constantly dies to cloaked skulks (and he will no matter how skilled he is) they get res and put up a 2. and 3. hive before you get HA. Then onos stomp and charge you to kingdom come while you figure out how to get the res for the arms lab. Res for kills is much more essential for aliens than for marines. 10-16 res a rambo gives you mean very little for a marine comm but it allows a skulk to put hives up 5 minutes sooner than usual. And as a comm you need every man to defend/build your outposts. You simply can´t afford to have marines runing around on their own especially on smaller servers. Do you know how many times i can take out 3 res nodes in a row as a fade because the marines are just running around the map or coming alone trying to defeat me? A lone rine is 2 res on average for me and as a skilled fade you can earn a lot of cheap kills from rambos allowing you to get onos 10 minutes into the game. Marines are only a danger if in groups. A single marine cant do nothing against even competent skulks no matter how good aim he has. If the skulks surprise him he dies before even getting a shot off. The marine side simply isn´t designed for solo players and thats reflected in their weakness. (Loud moving sounds, slow, die in 2 bites)

INSInstrumentality · August 2003

what makes or breaks rines IS "elite" skills, but not the skill of a rambo player. Its up to the commander to convince players to work together, and use their varying skill levels to the utmost advantage. He should also be able to manipulate kharaa psychology and detect ambushes by instinct and experience. He should be able to perform the correct action at the correct time.

Birdy · August 2003

Not everyone who can aim has to be a rambo that doesn't give a **** about the team.

Some "elite" players can make a major difference in winning or losing by defending let's say a siege rush builder.

BarxBaron · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Not everyone who can aim has to be a rambo that doesn't give a **** about the team.
</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I think the point hes making is that the law of averages say the "average" '"elite"' guy generally doesn't care about the team <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

now a NS vet with "elite" skills can be a scary thing.......because they actually listen and shoot straight too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

I think hes just mad at the CS l33ters who are incoming to try NS *shrug*

McMasters · August 2003

Heh, I can hear the people defending 'elites' talking to themselves now as they
read this post:

"Of course I am a team player - I just want everyone to know that I am the <b>best, most CS-leet</b> player on the team."

You know what makes an elite player? A communicator who knows about kill zones and defense. This takes no twitch skills at all. Just because you are the l33tz0rs doesn't mean the loss is all the commander's fault.

Typical Troll, level 2. Must've researched Ego Cloaking. Move along.

gc_philleh · August 2003

Personally i find most of the best players are team players too. Its rarely cs players who can come straight in to ns and be the best around.
Obviously theres the occasional rambo, but most of the best players are in good clans and they dont get there without good teamwork.

Animosity · August 2003

philleh is right. the best players are always team players aswell. Currently the rambo will go off and die, but the decent players will be part of the team, and still even if his team dies around him he can still carry on. The elite players are often what support the marines to victory. just the average players drag the team down.

Birdy · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>"Of course I am a team player - I just want everyone to know that I am the best, most CS-leet player on the team."</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Not everyone comes from cs either <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

A good player is made by aim,team spirit,communication and fast reactions

Moquiao · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::gc.philleh:: @ Aug 5 2003, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Personally i find most of the best players are team players too. Its rarely cs players who can come straight in to ns and be the best around.
Obviously theres the occasional rambo, but most of the best players are in good clans and they dont get there without good teamwork.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
yeah .. what he said <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

is gc recruiting philleh? im really interested.

gc_philleh · August 2003

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> Nah were only after good players

Moquiao · August 2003

im so tempted to hit report this post and complain about that comment!

**disclaimer for those who dont know... i am actually in gc. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> philleh isnt really an evil cold hearted fewl.. well actually... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Birdy · August 2003

Is gc a clan or just a friends group?

torment_j · August 2003

quote - The cross eyed two-left-handed rine that follows orders and works for the good of the team is far better than any sharpshooter

what about when the sharpshooter follows orders and works for the good of the team?

90% of the time when ur going to a waypoint ur going to encounter the enemy, i cant see how theres any logic in what u said.

mate u should spec some hi skilled clan matches before u start these .. stupid topics.

gc_philleh · August 2003

This is abit OT <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Its somewhere in the middle, were a clan but were not very professional and we only bring in members we get on well with.

Moquiao · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Birdy @ Aug 5 2003, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is gc a clan or just a friends group?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
we are in the middel of that..
i mean clan games etc are all good but its all about fun so only peeps whom we like get invited in.. (except for esuna.. we didnt have the heart to tell him to go away <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> )

ok back on topic now!

What Makes Or Breaks Rine Wins

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