Putting Valve Anti-cheat Into Ns 2.1: Dont Plz

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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mobay+Aug 19 2003, 01:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mobay @ Aug 19 2003, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->IF VAC banned you!, YOU Were cheating! if not, you had parts of "deleted" cheats....


    Go Buy a new licence! And stop the cheating!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's not only harsh, but also wrong. VAC ISN'T perfect. It was banning C-D users for a long time (because C-D hooks into HL just like cheats do), until UA put a VAC detection code snippet into C-D to prevent it from hooking if you were playing on a secure server. VAC DOES make mistakes, simply because some things look like cheats without being it. You CAN get banned by VAC without ever having had a cheat on your drive.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Why would you use C-D When C-D wasn't required? If you don't use cheats, and don't use C-D when its not required you won't have any problems. YES to VAC. The only working cheat I know of for NS can't run on VAC.
  • Barneys_SoulBarneys_Soul Join Date: 2003-08-18 Member: 19896Members
    wel i had windows me before and vac dint have any problems, but then i got a new comp (xp pro) then i got the 5 year ban from vac <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> i tried all yur suggestions, reinstalling, deleten regestry keys, and the cd key changer. dintt work <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Get another copy of half-life. And don't do what you did again. Can't blame it on OS because the way Windows uses programs is nearly the same, 95 on.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--UGL|Andrew+Aug 19 2003, 12:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UGL|Andrew @ Aug 19 2003, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not like Cheating Death is perfect either, i can't play on any server that has CD, says my system has been modified, and I don't cheat, i even reinstalled my whole NS directory just incase if any of my configs had a cmd that CD didn't like, and it still doesn't matter, i tried everything still can't play, gg buggy CD. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Reinstall HL, not NS.


    C-D > Vac by leaps and bounds, it has no lag, nearly 100% bug free, and is updated often enough to stop most hacks. Generally only the lamest of hackers (myg0t, net-tez) will have the cheats able to work within a few days of a new C-D release, elsewise it might take a regular gamer around 1-2 weeks to get the hacks, and by that time, C-D will have another version... This is precisly why C-D is supperior to all other forms of cheat detection.
  • J_D_WJ_D_W Join Date: 2003-05-22 Member: 16598Members
    One thing, why are you telling him to go to sierra.com when they didnt do a thing for half life except GET THE GAME IN THE SHOPS. and Valve Anti Cheat, not Sierra Anti cheat .. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • EighteenTwelveEighteenTwelve Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19366Members
    "Get another copy of half-life. And don't do what you did again. Can't blame it on OS because the way Windows uses programs is nearly the same, 95 on. "

    Full of crap. As I stated before, for some reason VAC decided that XP users all hacked. If you go onto the... well first try the CS help forums (people there will actually help, contrary to most other mod sites) and tell them VAC banned your XP. I met a guy once online who had the same thing until he reinstalled 98se.
  • Alurcard2Alurcard2 Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18614Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mobay+Aug 19 2003, 06:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mobay @ Aug 19 2003, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> IF VAC banned you!, YOU Were cheating! if not, you had parts of "deleted" cheats....


    Go Buy a new licence! And stop the cheating! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    when i played cs vac banned me for playing in software mode
    and the video card i had back then did not suport opengl / direct 3d
  • JimBowenJimBowen Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16873Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mobay+Aug 19 2003, 06:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mobay @ Aug 19 2003, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> IF VAC banned you!, YOU Were cheating! if not, you had parts of "deleted" cheats....


    Go Buy a new licence! And stop the cheating! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This statement is tottaly incorrect and has been invented by you. VAC does not look at what is on your hard drive, and therfore wont find "parts" of old cheats. VAC scans your memory and looks at what outside programs are attempting to hook into HL. this was the cause of the whole winamp problem.

    Also it does just ban people for no apparent reason. I know myself because I was banned whilst playing DOD. Ive heard that it was only a few modules that cause this problem, and it had been mostly erradicated now, but im not sure how true this is, personally I would use CD and regularly visit the UA site and tell them how good they are, because the more people supporting them, the more updates we get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Barneys_SoulBarneys_Soul Join Date: 2003-08-18 Member: 19896Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 19 2003, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 19 2003, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Get another copy of half-life. And don't do what you did again. Can't blame it on OS because the way Windows uses programs is nearly the same, 95 on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    someone said that it could be some xp bug that triggers vac to ban for no reason. so i just mensied it. i unstalled then reinstalled hl and ns muitiple times and used a different cd key (rebought hl like u ppls said) it dint work. any suggestions on how to fix plz??
  • EKSEKS Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2790Members
    Id like to see VAC in NS. Yes VAS/VSM has its problems, and like any other AC its gonna have false bans. But you guys are forgetting that you paid 50$ 6 YEARS ago for this game, the fact that valve even bothered to make a AC is a something everyone should be applause them for.

    Another thing that gets me of is all the idiots getting themself banned by using 3 party tools. Like hlamp and so on and other "AC" ( Not talking about CD here ). If you use hlamp and get banned that your fault, not Valves. Another problem is faulty hardware, i recommend running a <a href='http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp' target='_blank'>Ram checker</a> and if you get a error. Just e-mail <a href='mailto:EricS@valvesoftware.com'>EricS@valvesoftware.com</a> . They have allways replyed to my messages, even when i asked about HL2.

    And if someone wants to run a NS server with CD, thats not a problem. disable VAC, and run it with CD.
  • DroggogDroggog Random Pubber Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3293Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    Hah VAC! now thats a good anti-cheat... there have been problems with HLamp probably cause HLamp is a client dll hook like most advanced cheats out there.
    A friend was cheating in CS and he got banned by VAC i was like "haha pwned" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    And Cheating-Death .. ooOO my head hurts. It doesnt stop anything, as soon as a new version come out to counter last cheats, a new version of the cheat comes out too, useless and neverending "fight". <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->

    On another hand, CD crash my Half-Life. Plain crash as soon as i launch HL with CD, i just cant run it. Thanks all seeing eyes i can filter out all cd-required servers...
    Another thing i really hate about CD is when its set to optional, but it then kick you out of the server if u have a too good kills/deaths ratio (and those servers bypass my ASE filter, btw <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> ). What about that commander that got kills with turrets? Or that onos devouring non upgraded rambo marines? Or ... me!? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Dumb Cheating-Death. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • XodlikeXodlike Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16985Members
    hate to promote warez again but i guess im going to have to call my friend again and ask him for 2000 grrrrr,

    PLZ TO ALL THE SERVER OPS OUT THERE I DO NTO WANT TO GET BANNED BECAUSE OF VAC SO IN BIG BIG LETTERS PUT THIS IS A VAC SERVER INSIDE UR SERVER NAME OR INSIDE UR MOTD /PLZ.
  • VictorKrugerVictorKruger Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12763Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 19 2003, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 19 2003, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Get another copy of half-life. And don't do what you did again. Can't blame it on OS because the way Windows uses programs is nearly the same, 95 on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Would you like for me to pull out all of my books that contradict your statement saying that windows 95 handles programs the same as xp/2000?

    I've read the statements about overturning your banning offenses, and really the only way of getting your ban overturned is by an act of god. From what i have read, you have to have a demo of the time that you were playing when you got banned, as well as the server name that you were banned from and the date. So pretty much if you were banned, you're hosed.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--EighteenTwelve+Aug 19 2003, 01:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EighteenTwelve @ Aug 19 2003, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Get another copy of half-life. And don't do what you did again. Can't blame it on OS because the way Windows uses programs is nearly the same, 95 on. "

    Full of crap. As I stated before, for some reason VAC decided that XP users all hacked. If you go onto the... well first try the CS help forums (people there will actually help, contrary to most other mod sites) and tell them VAC banned your XP. I met a guy once online who had the same thing until he reinstalled 98se. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I would love to see your source....I'll admit XP isn't the best, but i would certainly LOVE to see where XP and ME causes problems in a thirdparty program like that. Plz
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--nukeaqua+Aug 18 2003, 08:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nukeaqua @ Aug 18 2003, 08:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How was my post promoting warez???Is stealing cdkeys warez? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes. Stealing CD keys is worse than straight piracy, in fact, because it potentially is preventing someone else from playing the game they paid for.
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    What do the devs have to say on this topic (VAC)? I'm know it isn't perfectly reliable, for this isn't the first time I've heard of problems ranging from OS to plug-ins to "random acts of who-knows-what".
    Have the devs/playtesters encountered any problems? It would be bad if NS propogates something that has the ability to mistakenly ban someone for life.
  • EKSEKS Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2790Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Javert+Aug 19 2003, 09:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Javert @ Aug 19 2003, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It would be bad if NS propogates something that has the ability to mistakenly ban someone for life. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Any AC is going to have false detections.

    If that happens with VAC. jut contact valve, they do unban ppl. As long as you write a well forumlated e-mail. Remmeber that most of the ppl that claim they where falsy banned are cheaters, or used some other clienthook.
  • Barneys_SoulBarneys_Soul Join Date: 2003-08-18 Member: 19896Members
    all of u are sayen to contact valve yet noone gave an email where theyl reply in. i tried gabe and eric they dint reply. somone give me an email adres where they wil reply plz.
  • EKSEKS Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2790Members
    EricS@valvesoftware.com is the e-mail they want to be contacted on. And unless your you have a good resason for why you where falsely banned. Or there was a VAC bug at the time of the ban. I would agree with Valve that you should be remained banned.
  • overmindovermind Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19353Members
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    try this if you get banned try 2 sange your Comps IP
    or you won ID / player ID
  • mitchellmitchell Join Date: 2003-07-16 Member: 18217Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Barney's Soul+Aug 18 2003, 09:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Barney's Soul @ Aug 18 2003, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Putting Valve Anti-Cheat Into NS 2.1: DONT PLZ. a few weeks ago it banned me till 2008 for NO REASON <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> i dont, never, or will cheat in any games i dont see why to waste 40-70 bucks on a game if you wear it out in a day :/. and also cheating death is better thats whats goin around thease days on ns/cs sevrers and i beleive its true as it dint ban me for 5 years <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->. PLZ dont put VAC in i wont be able to play ns much anymore cause most will have VAC. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    CD 4.2.0 isn't that good
    if servers dont use CD they can use VAC, i'm all for VAC because it'll make most cheaters **** off.
    VAC stops most the hacks that work on CD, and if they work on VAC chances are they dont work on CD..
    all the NS cheats ive seen dont work on CD nor VAC.

    NS NEEDS VAC!
  • overmindovermind Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19353Members
    does ns has cheats?
  • XodlikeXodlike Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16985Members
    DOES NS HAVE CHEATS!?!?!??!?! I THINK SINCE U ASKED THAT QUESTION U DONT DESERVE TO PLAY NS
  • Barneys_SoulBarneys_Soul Join Date: 2003-08-18 Member: 19896Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--EKS+Aug 19 2003, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EKS @ Aug 19 2003, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> EricS@valvesoftware.com is the e-mail they want to be contacted on. And unless your you have a good resason for why you where falsely banned. Or there was a VAC bug at the time of the ban. I would agree with Valve that you should be remained banned. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    remain banned!!! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> but i dont cheat. if i cheated and got banned this topic wount exist. i emailed epic and got no reply <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> help plz
  • XodlikeXodlike Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16985Members
    I cant tell u how sry i feel for u...but really do u think ALL ns servers will INSTANTLY switch to VAC on the SECONDS it comes out...


    I dont know why i just luv ending my posts with ... if it doesnt end with ... i dont post it........ <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Dr_AwkwardDr_Awkward Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9395Members
    Here's a question: Why is the dev team interested in adding a feature to NS that is known to be buggy and will randomly permaban people? Won't this alienate players and cause resentment for the game?

    Or is the diagnosis of VAC overblown? NS is the only mod I play anymore, and I run Win XP. Will I find myself randomly banned from half the servers I try to play on? I like C-D. It works pretty well against all but the most vigilant hackers, in my experience. Why add something that's going to put a fly in the ointment?
  • WGFSabreWGFSabre Join Date: 2003-08-02 Member: 18735Members
    all i have to say about vac is this

    <a href='http://metacheat.net/OpenLetter.pdf' target='_blank'>http://metacheat.net/OpenLetter.pdf</a>

    cd is much better then vac is frequently updated
  • Barneys_SoulBarneys_Soul Join Date: 2003-08-18 Member: 19896Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--nukeaqua+Aug 19 2003, 09:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nukeaqua @ Aug 19 2003, 09:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I cant tell u how sry i feel for u...but really do u think ALL ns servers will INSTANTLY switch to VAC on the SECONDS it comes out...


    I dont know why i just luv ending my posts with ... if it doesnt end with ... i dont post it........ <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the servers swiched to 2.0 instely and cs servers did to i think ns wil put vac on the second its avelible <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Wookie_nookie_is_the_best_nookieWookie_nookie_is_the_best_nookie Join Date: 2003-08-18 Member: 19932Members
    look, if you spent all the time and money you did on a computer game, i think its time you got a little reality check. try doing something with your friends, take up a sport, get a hobby. or at the very least maybe try a new game. you're addicted dude.
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