The Working Age In The Uk
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Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17462Members
Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17462Members
<div class="IPBDescription">16 ??!</div> Ok so i applied for a job at the shop round the corner. But was turn done because of my age * I'm 14* and that i'm not mature enough. Well hang on a minute there is 16 year old outside the shop, smoking, drinking beer or something, and looks as though he hasn't slept in 4 years, blood shot eyes. They haven't even tryed me out, i'm mature, so what of my age ? Maturity counts, not age. Anyone think shopkeepers should take a differet approach to hiring ?
BTW about time this forum was opened.
BTW about time this forum was opened.
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If you're under the legal working age, my advice is to find a job that can pay "under the table," like working for a family member.
Like Samwise said, find a relative or a family member and work for them, just make sure they don't put you on payroll.
If you're 14, you probably still go to school.
Although a little job surely won't hurt you, it may have an impact on your education, which is something that <i>should</i> be your first priority untill you've some form of graduation.
I'll just assume that you're smart enough to manage work and school without becoming problems, but I'm also sure that there are more than enough kids out there who <i>can't</i> do that and this law sort of <i>protects</i> them from doing something (going to work instead of going to school) that they might regret later on.
If you're 14, you probably still go to school.
Although a little job surely won't hurt you, it may have an impact on your education, which is something that <i>should</i> be your first priority untill you've some form of graduation.
I'll just assume that you're smart enough to manage work and school without becoming problems, but I'm also sure that there are more than enough kids out there who <i>can't</i> do that and this law sort of <i>protects</i> them from doing something (going to work instead of going to school) that they might regret later on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your right. In Britain (working age is 16) I could only start working after my Standard Grade exams (the exam <b>everyone</b> has to sit). After that it's up to you. I started working as soon as I found a job <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
hu.. ramses.. havent seen you for quite a while now.... cool that you are back
It's annoying to be portrayed (is that the right word, Nem?) as an idiot just because of my peers' acts. The job-taking guys should take a more closer look into the job applications and find out how they act and stuff. It wouldn't be "Oh he's 14, no job", more like "Hey, he's 14... but look at <i>this</i>!"
1) I'm trying to get money to get into a good college
2) I'm trying to earn money to buy a car for college
Some shops probably don't want to hire you because you're not old enough to drive yourself. Therefore, your parents/whoever won't be able to take you 100% of the time to work... (And, atleast from what I've seen, most jobs are NOT within walking distance like they were in the old days... or so I see from movies <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
If can drive yourself (I'm 16, and i can drive myself places, legally) then you have a higher chance of NOT Wasting the company's time. AFAIK, minimum wage applies to all ages, so if you're getting paid $5 whatever an hour, and arn't doing a good job, then you're useless to the company/shop/whatever.
HOWEVER: on a slightly different topic I must say that nearly all of the teen jobs in the US seem to be disappearing. Paper routes aren't too good anymore, because just the amount of people out there.. i've never seen a kid delivering a paper, around here.
the only jobs I can see for a "first-job" is
1) Grocery store... bagging/stock/ whatever
2) Fast-food places
3) cleanup crew at places
and i've read about this technology that companies are investing in, allowing VERY VERY Tiny chips to be placed on food products at stores, so when you put a bunch of **** in your shopping cart, then you walk through the register, and this scanner scans everything in your cart INSTANTLY.. and then all you do is pay
this pretty much kills off cashier jobs... possibly BAGGING jobs, too, if people are allowed to place items in a bag & walk through a scanner, that's pretty quick
but taht speed really hurts teenage workers
Agreed. I know the frustration of such denial. You may be the exception, but nevertheless the law is there for the whole. Patience, and in time, all will be done.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No child may be employed:
During school hours;
Before 7 am or after 7 pm;
For more than two hours on any day on which he or she is required to attend school;
For more than two hours on a Sunday;<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which means the only day you could work for more than two hours is a Saturday, so unless they were looking specifically for somebody to work only Saturdays (which as I work in a grocery store myself I can say are incredibly hectic and not particually suited to young people) you aren't actually that much use to them (no offence)
And i use the term "child" as classified by the same law "as anyone younger than the minimum school leaving age" which in our case is 16.
Theres also no minimum wage set out for under 16 year olds, this guy that I used to work with was only 15 and he got paid £2.20 an hour for doing the exact same work as I do and get paid £4.50 an hour for...
1. If it is a shop where you would be serving customers... You would probably handling cigarettes and alcohol, which you have to be 18 to do <b>by law</b>.
BTW about time this forum was opened. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In the states you have to be 16 also I think, and again, I wasn't hired at a job because I was too intelligent. They hired a burnout instead of me. Whoever explains to me why gets a goldstar. (I already know, Im just testing you)
you can get a work permit from your high school when you are 14 (i am)
so now im happily working part time.
(part time jobs only... and some people dont like youngns' <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->)
I'm pretty sure it isn't.
From what I understand, the law is a bit fuzzy in this area. You <i>do</i> have to ensure your child recieves an education, but I dont think it <i>has</i> to be at a state registered school.
As for the guy who wanted to work in a local shop, you have to understand that it would be illegal for you to sell someone a pack of cigarettes, or even a box of matches as you are under 16. Restocking shelves on the weekend is pretty much the extent of what you could legally do in most shops.
I have seen a few young teens working at a newsagency. If someone was going in to buy porn, they may be put off by having a kid there.
Slightly off-topic...
First thing I did when I turned 18 was go down to my local shops, buy a packet of cigerettes (I've since quit), a large bottle of vodka (YAY!) and an issue of Playboy. The cigs are gone, the bottle is empty, but the porn remains.... precious porn.
But I digress.
I think the main point here is what context the job entails. By this I mean on the very far end of the spectrum would you have a 15 year old kid serving you at a liqour store? Hell no, but you could have that same kid working at McDonalds and there wouldn't be any problem. That's taking the example to the extremes a little, but yeah... that's the point I'm trying to make.. if at all.. @_0
There's a rather big difference between 'not a state school' and homeschooling. I don't doubt the legallity of, say, private schools, but at least in Germany, and if my memory serves correctly, most other European countries as well, homeschooling isn't allowed: It's doubted that a single person (be it a private teacher or a parent) could obtain the expertise necessary to give the child a wholesome education.
I'm still pretty sure homeschooling would be legal though, as long as you can demonstrate the child is recieving a satisfactory education, something that they are not even guaranteed in "proper" schools these days.
( don't be misled by improved exam results, the exams over here <i>are</i> easier than they used to be. I sat my exams during the changeover of curriculum so I've had a good look at both sets, and there is no comparison. )
[edit]Hamster: Turns out you were <a href='http://www.hallsecademy.co.uk/' target='_blank'>right.</a>[/edit]