Alien Lovers : Stop Complaining About Redempt Onos
Hunty
Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19244Members
Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19244Members
<div class="IPBDescription">2.01d.....</div> Strangely,i do not see a "redempt nerfed" in the 2.01d changelog.Perhaps it is a bug,yet a bug that i have not seen reported.
So it goes like this.This guy was complaining of how he got killed as a redempt onos when he stood somewhere for 10 seconds with 30 hp waiting for a redempt that never came.And then we had 4 other onos,all picked redempt,die quickly to mass level 3 shotgun/hmg fire with turret support,and them all complaining about how onos is so weak in 2.01d and how marines are overpowered and how they should be able to go up against 8 marines with level 3 shotguns/hmgs with turret support by themselves and redempt with a 100% chance.
Ridiculous.You dont see HA complaining they got owned by mass skulks do you?
Onos is a tank.But though its a tank,stop the "I PICKED REDEMPT I AM NOW INVULNERABLE!!!!!" mentality.Its silly,its stupid and ive seen many games lost to stupid onos who think they can rambo and live.Its good enough you save 100 res at least ONCE.....marines do not have anywhere this advantage.Stop complaining that you can be killed(GASP) as a redempt onos.
So it goes like this.This guy was complaining of how he got killed as a redempt onos when he stood somewhere for 10 seconds with 30 hp waiting for a redempt that never came.And then we had 4 other onos,all picked redempt,die quickly to mass level 3 shotgun/hmg fire with turret support,and them all complaining about how onos is so weak in 2.01d and how marines are overpowered and how they should be able to go up against 8 marines with level 3 shotguns/hmgs with turret support by themselves and redempt with a 100% chance.
Ridiculous.You dont see HA complaining they got owned by mass skulks do you?
Onos is a tank.But though its a tank,stop the "I PICKED REDEMPT I AM NOW INVULNERABLE!!!!!" mentality.Its silly,its stupid and ive seen many games lost to stupid onos who think they can rambo and live.Its good enough you save 100 res at least ONCE.....marines do not have anywhere this advantage.Stop complaining that you can be killed(GASP) as a redempt onos.
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They were getting owned by the entire marine team at the top of their tech tree.The turrets werent really a factor.
Turrets now are preumbraed for onos. I don't see why they're complaining.
esp. voogrus and blueyonders
FWIW: Redemption - the ability to be <b>redeemed</b> (or <b>redeem</b>). There is no such word as "redempt".
Roo
FWIW: Redemption - the ability to be <b>redeemed</b> (or <b>redeem</b>). There is no such word as "redempt".
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I know,it just sounds better "redempt".Consider it an "invented" word like Oni.
Btw i cant play on 300 ping servers,sorry.....
Turrets now are preumbraed for onos. I don't see why they're complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Usually, when I play alien, I see the attacks tend to organize all by themselves, with very few need for orders: It usually goes like this:
player1: "Who got enough for Onos?"
player2: "I do"
player1: "Let's go Onos and crush doublerez then!"
Me: "I'll go Lerk then, wait for me"
player1: "lol, you'll probably be the one who'll have to wait"
*player 1,2 and I gestating, then get to doublerez and start rampage. If a Gorge doesn't follow in the initial attack:*
Me: "A Gorge at doublerez could be of some help please"
player1: "Yeah pleaz! Someone turns Gorge Quick!"
*shortly after that, a Gorge usually shows up and starts the healing*
player1&2: "Thx!"
*player1&2 keep on rampaging; usually some other alien players come at some point as reinforcements, then eventually the outpost falls*
Let's call it spontaneous teamwork.
And about the "I'm A Redemp Onos! I'm Now Immortal!!" issue, I thnik people, particularly if they want to lead an assault, should quit on choosing Redemp as their DC evolution, and instead take Carapace.
Player 1 : Can anyone go onos?
Player 2 : I can
Player 1 : Quick,go onos!
Me : Someone go lerk for umbra and a gorg follow the onos round to heal
*no one listens*
Player 2 goes onos and tries to taken on an entire squad of ha/shotty/hmg/gl marines.*RATTTTATTTATTTTT* *BAM BAM BAM* *onos is dead*
Lerks are not umbra-generators available for your personal convienience. Some people actually like to go lerk because it's an upgrade from skulk, a more effective killing machine. Just because somebody has gone lerk doesn't mean they're to instantly be drafted for umbra-duty. Umbra is but one of four abilities!
I'm really disgusted by people who run around screaming "UMBRA ME! STUPID LERK, UMBRA ME!". It's extremely selfish behaviour that should be met with consequences by an admin.
In fact, I rarely go lerk these days, because I know that as soon as I do, the demands for umbra from every other person will begin flowing in, preventing me from doing anything BUT umbra without getting screamed at over voicecomm AND teamchat.
Player 1 : Can anyone go onos?
Player 2 : I can
Player 1 : Quick,go onos!
Me : Someone go lerk for umbra and a gorg follow the onos round to heal
*no one listens*
Player 2 goes onos and tries to taken on an entire squad of ha/shotty/hmg/gl marines.*RATTTTATTTATTTTT* *BAM BAM BAM* *onos is dead* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lol! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, what can I say...
1) You had the good reflexe, telling your team to organicaly organise itself in order to get maximum efficacity in it's future assault
2) Player2 in your example wasn't very smart to try to take on The HA Train TM all by himself, he should have waited/asked for reinforcments before going. In this example, he just nearly goes rambo, even if it's for the good of the team.
....
well 3) If you were aware (note that I mean "if" as in "you can't always know what's going on, because you may have been on a different target when the onos gets RATTTATTATTATABAMed") of the fact that none noticed your advice or took it in consideration, then you should have assumed that your best bet (and the poor player2's too) was to get Gorge/Lerk yourself in order to provide assistance.
It may take some time before a rush (particularly on the alien side) gets organized.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In fact, I rarely go lerk these days, because I know that as soon as I do, the demands for umbra from every other person will begin flowing in, preventing me from doing anything BUT umbra without getting screamed at over voicecomm AND teamchat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well it's because people really would like you, Lerk, to be their really best friend, particularly when being fired at by HMGs and shotties...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm really disgusted by people who run around screaming "UMBRA ME! STUPID LERK, UMBRA ME!". It's extremely selfish behaviour that should be met with consequences by an admin.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, okay... I take back what I've just said about friendship...
Well, truly, if someone call me a "stupid being" (I usually go Lerk), then I shall leave him to meet it's own death, then once this done, shall add:
"Sorry dude, but being a "stupid lerk!", I was spitting my Umbra on everybody BUT you, too bad <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->"
"Next time, try to not insult your fellow players, you may certainly get better results"
And if he follows by swearing and stuffs, I just ignore his coments, or go all "Omg!Omg!Omg!Lolololol!" because there's no point in replying to this kind of chat, and because h'ell probably get kick-banned by the Admn
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QUOTE (MMZ>Torak @ Sep 3 2003, 01:20 PM)
Alas, you are plagued by lerks looking for kills. I'll agree to seeing most lerks using spores in many cases where umbra would be miles better. The only response is to either go lerk yourself and umbra or find better teamates.
Lerks are not umbra-generators available for your personal convienience. Some people actually like to go lerk because it's an upgrade from skulk, a more effective killing machine. Just because somebody has gone lerk doesn't mean they're to instantly be drafted for umbra-duty. Umbra is but one of four abilities!
I'm really disgusted by people who run around screaming "UMBRA ME! STUPID LERK, UMBRA ME!". It's extremely selfish behaviour that should be met with consequences by an admin.
In fact, I rarely go lerk these days, because I know that as soon as I do, the demands for umbra from every other person will begin flowing in, preventing me from doing anything BUT umbra without getting screamed at over voicecomm AND teamchat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I understand what u mean but everyone has the notion that the lerk is a support unit and needs to stay like that.
In some cases i agree but if u want that lerk to keep staying a lerk after he dies make sure he gets a few easy kills.
Even a thank u to the lerk that is trying to help u would be nice dont just expect his help because he is a lerk. Ask nicely and thank him. Especially if u end up pwning.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ezekiel Posted on Sep 3 2003, 09:17 AM
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ok one thing, REDEMPT IS NOT A freaking WORD <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OMG guys get over it!! Turrent isnt a word either just deal with it, seriously...
- RD
And the last time I went on Roo's server everyone got into an argument about how Metallica suck. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lerks are not umbra-generators available for your personal convienience. Some people actually like to go lerk because it's an upgrade from skulk, a more effective killing machine. Just because somebody has gone lerk doesn't mean they're to instantly be drafted for umbra-duty. Umbra is but one of four abilities!
I'm really disgusted by people who run around screaming "UMBRA ME! STUPID LERK, UMBRA ME!". It's extremely selfish behaviour that should be met with consequences by an admin.
In fact, I rarely go lerk these days, because I know that as soon as I do, the demands for umbra from every other person will begin flowing in, preventing me from doing anything BUT umbra without getting screamed at over voicecomm AND teamchat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like it or not Lerk is a Support Class. In most cases, by the time umbra is need, spores will not help. Whats more selfish anyway, a team member asking a support class to support them or the support class going soley for kills and ignoring the team?
I know I'm playing Devil's advocate here, but Lerk isn't *just* a Support Class in my opinion (even if I do play it as a support class myself).
It's a support and Guerilla Class Unit: it can go and harrass marines if it wants.
Now what's most beneficial to your team, of course, is being supportive. And going rambo while your second hive ability is up (thus allowing you to play your support role with the Umbra ability being unlolcked) is only beneficial to you.
NS being oriented toward teamplay, then if you don't want to be supportive, whatever the class, you should stop playing this game and start to playing CS or TS (both great mods, btw).
WHTBD.
Edit: <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> yes for christ sake do not ask teammate for help ever <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Absentic, what do you mean by that?
If you need help from a teamate, then ask him! What would be the point of having a Gorge in an assault, if you couldn't him for a little healthspray from time to time.
Tipically, you wont even have to ask, most gorges just Hspray you as soon as they see that you are low on health or armour.
Geronimo, you've made a good point <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Corporal Cyn, I just got one thing to say: Lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> (the "hovar without flaping" thing will always make me laugh I think <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
The only reason they win in publics is due to the total lack of organized play in pubs.
Id say an onos is cannonfodder designed to work as a spearhead, BACKED UP by gorges and lerks
Who sends out a sole HA/HMG dude to kill and alien hive?
I prefer four jetpackers with lv3 shotguns myself <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And also, while lerks ARE capable of support, they are also meant ot be a ranged attacker, since only a fade can do that but you need 3 hives.
Regen onos can kill turret farms without umbra. Better the lerk just spore all the marines and clear them out so the onos can work in peace. Generally though if someone says "Umbra me dude" I just do it to humor them.
you were pretty good team player when u called me the n word some days ago
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=45268&st=135' target='_blank'>"Lerks..., yes the annoying little flying buggers"</a>
A good discussion about spores, the lerk itself, how it might be played, what's expected from it etc.
If you feel like reading it, the entire topic is pretty good -and at some point, really accurate...