Why Not Ro?
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<div class="IPBDescription">a serious discussion, don't worry.</div> why don't you like ragnarok online?
there are so many stereotypical and bandwagon reasons for not liking it.
most of them are opinions. do not post opinions here.
post actual grievances. no "omg this game sux". you have no basis. quarrels with the customer service stuff are a good example of what i'm looking for.
somehow i'm playing RO, and of course sh*t's happened, but i'm not so put off by it as everyone apparently is. what's the deal?
there are so many stereotypical and bandwagon reasons for not liking it.
most of them are opinions. do not post opinions here.
post actual grievances. no "omg this game sux". you have no basis. quarrels with the customer service stuff are a good example of what i'm looking for.
somehow i'm playing RO, and of course sh*t's happened, but i'm not so put off by it as everyone apparently is. what's the deal?
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<li>GMs not taking an active role in locating and punishing botters. I've watched the SAME freaking knightbot run around pay_fild07 for three weeks, after multiple reports.
<li>iRO servers updated INCREDIBLY slowly compared to kRO. We just got pets, kRO has had them for years.
<li>Overpopulation. I don't want to have to compete with others, standing in line to kill a mob, only to have some freaking knight run over and slash it down with no problem.
<li>Character class imbalance. You have any IDEA how hard it is to level an Acolyte? Or a Thief? Now compare to a Wizard, dealing out over 14,000 damage a shot, on medium-level spells.
<li>Greedy people. Gravity charges at $12/mo for their cheapest month-by-month option. kRO is roughly $8. (And we STILL get the leftovers-version of kRO, even paying more!)
<li>GMs punishing those who help them do their job. (Gathering large groups of monsters to level faster, or to tank for someone, is against the RoC. My Priest got a ban for using Status Recovery on the excess, so they'd wander away for other people to kill.)
and finally...
<li>I found a private RO server with the enhancements not available in the US.
Since the service is not offered in the US, it is technically not losing them any money to have the private servers up. In actuality, people are leaving the official one in droves in favor of the smaller, private ROs, featuring the full-fledged kRO experience (PvP, extra maps, Guild wars, extra equipment, more monsters, 2-2 classes, extra skills for existing classes). It's a sad day when the company complains about geeks doing their job better than they feel like doing it.
they're being pretty active now. there are still lots of botters, and few GMs, but they have invisible, GM-activated enemies that only bots can see (ie: no sprite, no mapping obstruction, just packets). these have gotten quite a few botters away. the problem still exists, but they're taking steps, now (albeit small ones), to fight the problem.
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i have no argument here -_-
but comodo gets activated tuesday, on Loki. at least we can have a little fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Overpopulation. I don't want to have to compete with others, standing in line to kill a mob, only to have some freaking knight run over and slash it down with no problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
another good point, although with the removal of bots, there will be less killstealing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Character class imbalance. You have any IDEA how hard it is to level an Acolyte? Or a Thief? Now compare to a Wizard, dealing out over 14,000 damage a shot, on medium-level spells.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes, it bites.. but then again, with botting, you get way more progress with any class. again, when this is dealt with accordingly (or at least <i>better</i>), things will improve.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Greedy people. Gravity charges at $12/mo for their cheapest month-by-month option. kRO is roughly $8. (And we STILL get the leftovers-version of kRO, even paying more!)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
kRO is only 8 bux because it's in korea. they don't have other things to do there, just MMOGs. lol ~,~
but seriously, they know they can make like 100x what they make in the states at a lowered price in korea.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->GMs punishing those who help them do their job. (Gathering large groups of monsters to level faster, or to tank for someone, is against the RoC. My Priest got a ban for using Status Recovery on the excess, so they'd wander away for other people to kill.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'm willing to bet that was because of some stupid idiot complaining.
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i don't like the reduced amount of people to meet and socialize with. i have too many friends at loki, too, to pick up and go. =\
And yes... my Priest got TONS of complaints from the tankees. Usually they'd expect a monster not to be able to fight back, but after SR it flattens them in a single blow, allowing the monster to re-target on the person ACTIVELY attacking it. Too satisfying for words.
2) The Korean and Jap. versions are LIGHT YEARS ahead of ir0
3) The people are inconsidorate, selfish and stupid
4) Bad tranlations
5) it get boring fast
<span style='color:green'>*SPORED.*</span>
if you can afford to pay for more customer service reps for iRO, by all means..
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while this is in some ways TRUE, the translation team has recently picked up the pace. like i said, comodo tuesday. things are starting to progress now, with p2p.
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that's your opinion. i've met some wonderful people. maybe you were just good at finding the bad ones? but like i said, genuine grievances only.
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lol, the engrish is part of the charm.
<span style='color:green'>*SPORED.*</span>
when i see priestesses in white habits and mushroom hats, buffing monks...
sometimes i wanna drop everything and go XD
(edit) Besideswhich, I thought Comodo was coming to the Sakray server soon... not Loki. (/edit)
[keeping his mind on the fact that translations are going a LITTLE faster]....
argh >_<
me and my friend wanna make a bard and dancer couple... we're both on loki T-T
* I spent 5 months... Yes, 5, building an SS mage in the first-round beta.
* After 5 months of painful work, the balance of everything was completely changed
* My 5 months of work went down the drain
* I lost interest because my character was screwed.
and no, it's not h0mosexual in any way. i hate that bullsh*t. don't say that.
Face it, they're not good to their international clients. If they got one guy doing the translation then maybe *gasp* the money they're sucking out of the IRO community could go towards more staff. $12 a month is a joke considering what Gravity gives back. If the company had actual, legitimate reasons for IRO being so far behind and so understaffed I might be willing to forgive them. But no. There is no reason why IRO has been held back for so long save ineptitude on the part of Gravity. Hell, you could give me all the stuff that needs translating and I'll run it through Babelfish in a couple of hours. The result would actually be better than the mishmash of engrish that Gravity churned out.
to save money? ^_^
edit: they're milking us. face the truth! THE HARD TRUTH! EEAEAAAAAARGH!!!
For what? I sat in IRO for months watching my money do jack squat. No updates, hardly any moderating, endless bots that were blatently bots and dull, boring gameplay that became old very quickly when Mr Flame Pillar / Safety Wall spammer showed up and camped MVPs before they even spawned. Gravity had cash, they just weren't spending it on us. Hell yes they were milking us: funneling more resources into their Asian servers whilst the IRO team got a broom closet with a 486 inside.
dude, no. they're not channelling the money into kRO and such. you missed the whole point of my thing.
you just learn to f***in deal with whatever they give you, because it's THEIR business and it's THEIR money, and THEIR right to give you whatever the f*** they want, including a random ban. they can do that, and you've got no legal quarrel because that's part of the contract. b00ya.
However, in no part of the contract does it say "I must keep on paying Gravity money despite their horrible customer service and woeful lack of updates". Gravity ain't getting no more moola from me!
You're right, they can charge whatever the hell they want and give us whatever they feel like. Same way a restaurant can charge $250 for a mold covered peice of bread sprinkled with rat droppings. Of course, they might not get many customers. I'm not the only person who's quit IRO. There are a lot more just like me. Gravity made their choices, now they must pay the consequences.
Btw I was never banned. I could log into my account right now. But that would be wasting precious energy.
yeap. having to keep your money must be really hard on them. XD
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If they'd provided better customer service and product quality they would have kept on getting money from me. Instead, Gravity's mistakes caused me and a lot of other people to leave. They got a one-off boost of cash from us. Now, they're not getting it any more. By consequenses I ment a falling customer base. Sure, they have some of my money. But they're not getting any more. No company likes losing customers.
those are the true customer bases, i believe. also tRO i think.
edit: although tRO usage got nerfed by the govt.
edit2: is there a tRO? maybe it's just that thailand uses cRO. iono. either way, thailand's usage got nerfed with that law thing.
If Gravity decided they wanted to branch outside of Asia, they should have done a proper job. They didn't, and because of that they lost one of the biggest oppertunities they ever will have.
i'm not even gonna ask you if you know exactly how many people live in asia. needless to say, it's a good amount.
anyway, like i said, the translation is going pretty quick now. i hear things. like 2-2 classes in october. not bad. if you like the game, you stick with it. that's all you can do.
Many of my fellow playtesters were more than willing to work with Gravity. We helped with bugs, informed them of possible hacks, reported bots, etc., even working to find English-Korean translators to help us inform them. We saw the potential for a great game (which it's become... in Korea, anyway) and were more than willing to go p2p once the game was fully realized. We spammed the links to our friends to get them to play, and we went from 200 users one week to nearly 2,000 the next.
Then came p2p. Beta. Wait a minute. "Pay to play BETA?"
Yeah. So a lot of us get irritated and quit. About this time I think is when the Aegis server was leaked, and people began to quietly test private servers. We also learned about this time of the updates on Korean servers; though some of the more ardent RO players had gotten Korean accounts to see what was going on, they soon realized this and required Korea's version of an SSN to make an account.
They wanted us to pay for an unfinished, poorly translated game on extremely laggy servers with poor administration. And it was just the English, or later "International" server (alpha and beta testers will know what I'm talking about when I refer to the Thai invasion). The Japanese server was kept nearly on par with the Korean; meanwhile, the English... oops, "International" server plodded along.
Then came the hack. For those of you that don't know, remember the semi-recent incident in which RO's main page mysteriously vanished, and then the request from Gravity for new passwords? That was the result of a hack, and a relatively simple one at that. They left a port wide open, which was probed and then attacked. All account information was stolen, and many of them ruined.
Gravity never let its users know. They gave no reasons, no excuses, no offers to make up for their error.
So now, private servers. How does it work? Korean players who update their data and then leak it to the private server community; the hackers then work with the data and input it into their servers, which are run pretty much the same way any gaming server is run (as far as I know, several servers have already input 2-2 classes; at least, I see the sprites for Crusaders and such running around on one of mine). Gravity didn't care about it's English users, and, well... the English users no longer care about Gravity. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->