<!--QuoteBegin--RoCkIn RiCkY+Sep 15 2003, 06:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoCkIn RiCkY @ Sep 15 2003, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't expect to tell anyone if I'm going Onos or not. Public servers are usually bereft of teamwork anyway, so I don't see why I should have to ask permission. There's so many times when there's only one or two gorges, whilst the rest of the team shout "GET THE HIVE UP!!!!!!!!", "WE NEED MORE RES TOWERS!!!!!" I learn to ignore it and play the game the way I choose unless I have a few organised team mates.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good to know.
Feel free NOT to stop by my server then. You'll most likely get a bunch of people down your throat.
<!--QuoteBegin--slayer111+Sep 15 2003, 09:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (slayer111 @ Sep 15 2003, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SoulSkorpion+Sep 15 2003, 10:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Sep 15 2003, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OP, if you were saving up your res to go onos from the start and weren't spending any of it on dropping chambers for your team you're considered selfish. That's res-whoring. I probably would have kicked you too, if it was my call. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Statements like this really bug me... you'd kick someone because they don't play the game the way you want them to?
I mean, using exploits, team-killing, deliberately wasting res, or any other game-ruining factors are one thing. But it's quite another to be playing the game the way you want, and get kicked because an admin doesn't like it. Sure, it's by far not the best tactic, and can lose the game in certain circumstances, but the same can be said for many many situations. What's next? Banning the marine comm because he doesn't relocate to the place the admin prefers on a certain map? Kicking the gorge because he *gasp* placed sensory first? Reporting a welder who stays back to save the base instead of following the HA train? This is a slippery slope, IMO, and shouldn't be encouraged.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think doing things without telling the team should be encouraged either. When I play marine, I follow orders. When I play Kharaa, I'm generally the down-and-dirty Gorge getting the job done. But I wouldn't dream of punishing someone just because they don't do what I think they should... help them to see the wisdom in a different path, yes, but not strong-arming them for it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No. I agree with Soul. Its a TEAM game, and by not helping your team the way the team sees fit, well simply, you could be ruining everyone elses experience.
If you saved the res in th beggining, yes that is res whoring but I surely doubt its worth a ban. If you were saving when all 3 hives are up well then its a stupid reason to ban you
<!--QuoteBegin--DeepShadows+Sep 15 2003, 03:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DeepShadows @ Sep 15 2003, 03:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I got slapped a few times for telling the admin he had beautiful eyes... and making alien love to him from ontop *we were both gorges.* I think he just did it to let me know who was whose beech. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ROTFLMAO!!!
//edit Here's a tactic: All go gorge and plop OC's in the marine spawn and heal each other while you build. Guaranteed win when the teams are >5.
<!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Sep 15 2003, 11:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Sep 15 2003, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Feel free NOT to stop by my server then. You'll most likely get a bunch of people down your throat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not really, if it's a good server I'm always a team player, and order my team around and use team_say to tell people where to defend and attack. Just most of the time I get accused of "talking too much" in game when I'm the only one using team_say.
No Honestly if you res ****, which really depends on the situation, you are hurting your team and on certain servers where the level of play is normally high and the standards are higher than I would expect you to get kicked/slayed/banned. The only time you should have onos at one hive is when the marines have both locked down and every effort has been made to try to break it. I'm more tolerant of early fades/lerks as they can be useful, but if you die quickly as fade or lerk early on don't be surprised if you lose all respect and are swiftly dealt with.
In all reality it is the admins responsibility to try to make the game enjoyable for all not just one res ****. Btw dont try that on xzilens or you will be quickly slayed or kicked.
Oh yeah one more thing if you are not sure whether or not it's a good time to onos check and see if 2nd hive is building, you have all res towers that you can hold, and that you have 3 of your first upgrade chamber. And if you still are worried talk to your team make a plan, let them know beforehand you are saving for onos and ask if there is anything that still needs to be built.
<!--QuoteBegin--RoCkIn RiCkY+Sep 15 2003, 03:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoCkIn RiCkY @ Sep 15 2003, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--slayer111+Sep 15 2003, 09:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (slayer111 @ Sep 15 2003, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What's next? Banning the marine comm because he doesn't relocate to the place the admin prefers on a certain map? Kicking the gorge because he *gasp* placed sensory first? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sigh, he NEVER said that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes. Hence, me saying what's *next*, and using the phrase 'slippery slope'. Do you see?
<!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Sep 15 2003, 05:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Sep 15 2003, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--slayer111+Sep 15 2003, 09:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (slayer111 @ Sep 15 2003, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SoulSkorpion+Sep 15 2003, 10:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Sep 15 2003, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OP, if you were saving up your res to go onos from the start and weren't spending any of it on dropping chambers for your team you're considered selfish. That's res-whoring. I probably would have kicked you too, if it was my call. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Statements like this really bug me... you'd kick someone because they don't play the game the way you want them to?
<snip>
Don't get me wrong, I don't think doing things without telling the team should be encouraged either. When I play marine, I follow orders. When I play Kharaa, I'm generally the down-and-dirty Gorge getting the job done. But I wouldn't dream of punishing someone just because they don't do what I think they should... help them to see the wisdom in a different path, yes, but not strong-arming them for it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No. I agree with Soul. Its a TEAM game, and by not helping your team the way the team sees fit, well simply, you could be ruining everyone elses experience. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's right, but by the same token, isn't that kinda ruining THAT players experience?
Reshogging is bad, yes, but IMO it's a minor offence... the player isn't actually doing anything *wrong*, they just aren't doing what is generally percieved as *right*. And unlike marines with their shared res, one alien wasting theirs won't have such a big impact on the rest of the team. Everyone else still has their res, they just don't get the team benefits the player could've given them. Unless the teams are fairly small, this shouldn't usually be a game-losing thing.
Not to mention, he must've been doing *something* right to get the res in the first place. I think killing marines can safely be considered a positive action, even if not the absolute best dependant on circumstances.
Don't ASK if you can go Onos. Then they'll definately say "No don't Onos save for hive instead".
Just play on a different server. I *thought* aliens were supposed to have their own independent res supply that they could use however they want. Worst case scenario no one puts up a hive so you have to gorge and do it yourself.
It only really becomes a problem when you've got two gorges and the rest are res hoarding.
Personally I go Gorge 99% of my alien games, and I'm grateful to see early Onos. In fact, when I really go at it and put up 4 RTs (WTH were you other gorges doing??!!?!), I *expect* to see Onos and Fades keeping the Marines at a distance.
Essix, we might have been in the same game, I'm not sure what server it was. Did you see me? My gamename is Lazygamer. IF this is the same situation, I can shed more light on the story.
The game I was on involved a slay of a guy who was res whoring(at least the admin claimed so), and the admin stated that res whoring is against the <u>server policy</u>. This was the key, it's not the admin's own convictions, it's the server rules.
If you are a different person than the one I met Essix, than perhaps the server you played on had a no res **** rule too.
Yes and its when you get 6 res whoring aliens who want to go the "r0ffl3z 0n0s" and save right from the start, only to go onos about 30 minutes into the game and die to 1 lmg marine without killing any structures or rines, you realise why people ban for res whoring.
Look at the situation, if you have only 1 rt, it doesnt matter if you go onos, the alien team cannot win with 1 rt.
<!--QuoteBegin--sej+Sep 16 2003, 12:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sej @ Sep 16 2003, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes and its when you get 6 res whoring aliens who want to go the "r0ffl3z 0n0s" and save right from the start, only to go onos about 30 minutes into the game and die to 1 lmg marine without killing any structures or rines, you realise why people ban for res whoring.
Look at the situation, if you have only 1 rt, it doesnt matter if you go onos, the alien team cannot win with 1 rt. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And you ALSO get in a bad way if you wind up with a load of people all trying to be perma-gorge the whole time. There are always going to be bad games and bad gamers, but the people we're talking about aren't deliberatly trying to wreck the game, they're just playing it the way they want... they should be educated, not punished.
And no, I don't believe kicking is a valid way to 'educate' them.
<!--QuoteBegin--JohnnySmash+Sep 15 2003, 05:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JohnnySmash @ Sep 15 2003, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just play on a different server. I *thought* aliens were supposed to have their own independent res supply that they could use however they want. Worst case scenario no one puts up a hive so you have to gorge and do it yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The way I see it, being an individual and having your own personal resources in the game forces more responsibility on the individual. Since you are not forced to accomplish teamwork by a system such as the marines, you must force yourself.
Other alien players have every right to throw blame on another alien who was not working toward the common goal.
You are ultimately responsible if (no passing the buck):
1. The aliens lose because they did not have enough defences in a key location and you had enough resources to drop a couple OCs.
2. The aliens lose because a hive was not built when the aliens had the location secured and you had plenty of resources to put it up.
3. The aliens are crippled because a hive and it's key chambers were destroyed but you were in another hive and could have dropped a couple of the now dead hives' upgrade chambers before it died.
4. The aliens survive because a rush is thwarted by your well placed OCs.
5. The aliens gain more resources by way of you sacrificing a few of your own.
6. The aliens win due to your removal of certain key marine structures.
The list could go on and on.
In short, as an alien or marine what you do for the team is very important. It's just easier to do such things alone as an alien.
<!--QuoteBegin--RoCkIn RiCkY+Sep 15 2003, 11:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoCkIn RiCkY @ Sep 15 2003, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Sep 15 2003, 11:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Sep 15 2003, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Feel free NOT to stop by my server then. You'll most likely get a bunch of people down your throat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not really, if it's a good server I'm always a team player, and order my team around and use team_say to tell people where to defend and attack. Just most of the time I get accused of "talking too much" in game when I'm the only one using team_say. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh, then do drop in <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Hmm, My thoughts, Who wants to play marines with a com that hoards all the res, maby lays down the basic structures, Give out no weapons, doesent upgrade etc etc and then on top of that doesnt really lead team. yeah sounds like fun to me. But, at least with com you can eject him.. Alien res hoards are just as anoying and ruin the game just as well. The admins I play under have a great way of dealing with it. If you dont get team concensus on res hoarding they wait till just after you hatch onos and then ready room and rejoin you (RRaR). Works well no ban needed, gets point acrose and give them the choice of playing on or leaving.
There's a difference between res whoring and actually knowing what you're doing. I always want the expert players on my team to be the ones who go fast Lerk, Fade, or Onos. I don't want these players shackled with the duty of having to spend their resources on Hives, Chambers, and Res Towers. I want them out devastating the marine team!
Personally, I drop a RT at the beginning of every alien game I'm in. Then when I get about 30 res I look at what we have. If we're doing okay, I go Lerk. If we lack important crap like upgrade chambers or a 2nd hive, I'll put those up instead. Sometimes I go Lerk anyway because we really need to kick the marines out of a certain location. I'll generate a ton of resources from kills, and if I manage to die I'll use those resources as gorge to throw up whatever is necessary.
It's all about balancing your resources to figure out what will help your team more. I know that putting up an early RT will be a huge help to the entire team, so I put one up early. Later on, if the basic needs of a 2nd hive and 1st upgrade chambers are being dealt with, it's much more effective for my team to have me as a very effective Lerk (or possibly Fade) than to have me placing semi-crappy OCs at key locations.
If you're not a hardcore killer, you can still be a huge boon to your team by placing structures or hives where they're needed. Newer/Average players who go early Lerk/Fade aren't usually helping their team much (though it's rare that I personally yell at any of them; so long as we have first level upgrades and someone who saves for 2nd hive, I'm happy).
I had a player last week yell at me for telling aliens at the beginnaing of the round to cap res, saying that people needed to save up for onos (1 min into game)
He then yelled at me for not putting up DCs first (went with team consensus, not generally my own, and put down MCs) so he could be a "Redemption Onos" and that he "couldnt win without DC"
I had Cargo hive ready but marines were coming so I didnt drop it, so I said secure the hive, to which he replied "We dont need another hive, we need Onos," so we lost that hive (they already had one of them)
When we finally got a second hive after a furious round of teamwork by the rest of the team, he immediately goes gorge and drops a SC, saying that we blew it already by putting down MCs
This was on Linuxmonster.
I dont know the circumstances around the res kicking, but if you are this type of person that does not contribute to anything but your own RFK system, I cant feel sorry for you. Most of the time, I'm a gorge with maybe 3-7 resorces, just trying to put down the stuff the rest of the team wont, or keep the marines out of key areas with structures. I almost never see 100 res, and if I do it is because we are already so heartily stomping the marines that we need only 1 gorge.
Just because each member of the TEAM gets individual res does not make it ok to think you are independant of that TEAM and can do whatever you want. I could hide in a vent and wait for 100 res, does that mean I should?
There is no I in TEAM, however there is ME, and if you cant be a TEAM, you are going to be MEAT.
I've been kicked numerous times for lerking, once recently (with no warning) for lerking in the eclipse marine base and not dying the entire game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Axehilt+Sep 16 2003, 02:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Axehilt @ Sep 16 2003, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There's a difference between res whoring and actually knowing what you're doing. I always want the expert players on my team to be the ones who go fast Lerk, Fade, or Onos. I don't want these players shackled with the duty of having to spend their resources on Hives, Chambers, and Res Towers. I want them out devastating the marine team!
Personally, I drop a RT at the beginning of every alien game I'm in. Then when I get about 30 res I look at what we have. If we're doing okay, I go Lerk. If we lack important crap like upgrade chambers or a 2nd hive, I'll put those up instead. Sometimes I go Lerk anyway because we really need to kick the marines out of a certain location. I'll generate a ton of resources from kills, and if I manage to die I'll use those resources as gorge to throw up whatever is necessary.
It's all about balancing your resources to figure out what will help your team more. I know that putting up an early RT will be a huge help to the entire team, so I put one up early. Later on, if the basic needs of a 2nd hive and 1st upgrade chambers are being dealt with, it's much more effective for my team to have me as a very effective Lerk (or possibly Fade) than to have me placing semi-crappy OCs at key locations.
If you're not a hardcore killer, you can still be a huge boon to your team by placing structures or hives where they're needed. Newer/Average players who go early Lerk/Fade aren't usually helping their team much (though it's rare that I personally yell at any of them; so long as we have first level upgrades and someone who saves for 2nd hive, I'm happy). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We need more players like you. Nuff said.
"I always want the expert players on my team to be the ones who go fast Lerk, Fade, or Onos. I don't want these players shackled with the duty of having to spend their resources on Hives, Chambers, and Res Towers. I want them out devastating the marine team!"
Unfortunately if 2 bad players hoard it forces the GOOD players, the TEAM players, the REAL experts to have to go permagorge just to keep the team afloat. No GOOD player minds going gorge to drop a chamber or two... but NO player wants to be a permagorge for a crap "team" with no idea of what the game's about.
Just recentely I started a little bit of res whoring to practice early game fade, but I have not ONCE before, EVER res whored, EVER, so I think it was justified.
<!--QuoteBegin--StoneMonk+Sep 16 2003, 02:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (StoneMonk @ Sep 16 2003, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I had a player last week yell at me for telling aliens at the beginnaing of the round to cap res, saying that people needed to save up for onos (1 min into game)
He then yelled at me for not putting up DCs first (went with team consensus, not generally my own, and put down MCs) so he could be a "Redemption Onos" and that he "couldnt win without DC"
I had Cargo hive ready but marines were coming so I didnt drop it, so I said secure the hive, to which he replied "We dont need another hive, we need Onos," so we lost that hive (they already had one of them)
When we finally got a second hive after a furious round of teamwork by the rest of the team, he immediately goes gorge and drops a SC, saying that we blew it already by putting down MCs
This was on Linuxmonster...... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats a surprize, I always play on "The Linuxmonster and I rarely run into jerks like that guy. I love playing there due to alot of people I know and nice team work. Just wish it was 2.01e 2.01e is the best version this game has ever had!
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Good to know.
Feel free NOT to stop by my server then. You'll most likely get a bunch of people down your throat.
Statements like this really bug me... you'd kick someone because they don't play the game the way you want them to?
I mean, using exploits, team-killing, deliberately wasting res, or any other game-ruining factors are one thing. But it's quite another to be playing the game the way you want, and get kicked because an admin doesn't like it. Sure, it's by far not the best tactic, and can lose the game in certain circumstances, but the same can be said for many many situations. What's next? Banning the marine comm because he doesn't relocate to the place the admin prefers on a certain map? Kicking the gorge because he *gasp* placed sensory first? Reporting a welder who stays back to save the base instead of following the HA train? This is a slippery slope, IMO, and shouldn't be encouraged.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think doing things without telling the team should be encouraged either. When I play marine, I follow orders. When I play Kharaa, I'm generally the down-and-dirty Gorge getting the job done. But I wouldn't dream of punishing someone just because they don't do what I think they should... help them to see the wisdom in a different path, yes, but not strong-arming them for it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No. I agree with Soul. Its a TEAM game, and by not helping your team the way the team sees fit, well simply, you could be ruining everyone elses experience.
ROTFLMAO!!!
//edit
Here's a tactic: All go gorge and plop OC's in the marine spawn and heal each other while you build. Guaranteed win when the teams are >5.
Not really, if it's a good server I'm always a team player, and order my team around and use team_say to tell people where to defend and attack. Just most of the time I get accused of "talking too much" in game when I'm the only one using team_say.
In all reality it is the admins responsibility to try to make the game enjoyable for all not just one res ****. Btw dont try that on xzilens or you will be quickly slayed or kicked.
Oh yeah one more thing if you are not sure whether or not it's a good time to onos check and see if 2nd hive is building, you have all res towers that you can hold, and that you have 3 of your first upgrade chamber. And if you still are worried talk to your team make a plan, let them know beforehand you are saving for onos and ask if there is anything that still needs to be built.
Sigh, he NEVER said that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. Hence, me saying what's *next*, and using the phrase 'slippery slope'. Do you see?
Statements like this really bug me... you'd kick someone because they don't play the game the way you want them to?
<snip>
Don't get me wrong, I don't think doing things without telling the team should be encouraged either. When I play marine, I follow orders. When I play Kharaa, I'm generally the down-and-dirty Gorge getting the job done. But I wouldn't dream of punishing someone just because they don't do what I think they should... help them to see the wisdom in a different path, yes, but not strong-arming them for it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No. I agree with Soul. Its a TEAM game, and by not helping your team the way the team sees fit, well simply, you could be ruining everyone elses experience. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's right, but by the same token, isn't that kinda ruining THAT players experience?
Reshogging is bad, yes, but IMO it's a minor offence... the player isn't actually doing anything *wrong*, they just aren't doing what is generally percieved as *right*. And unlike marines with their shared res, one alien wasting theirs won't have such a big impact on the rest of the team. Everyone else still has their res, they just don't get the team benefits the player could've given them. Unless the teams are fairly small, this shouldn't usually be a game-losing thing.
Not to mention, he must've been doing *something* right to get the res in the first place. I think killing marines can safely be considered a positive action, even if not the absolute best dependant on circumstances.
Just play on a different server. I *thought* aliens were supposed to have their own independent res supply that they could use however they want. Worst case scenario no one puts up a hive so you have to gorge and do it yourself.
It only really becomes a problem when you've got two gorges and the rest are res hoarding.
Personally I go Gorge 99% of my alien games, and I'm grateful to see early Onos. In fact, when I really go at it and put up 4 RTs (WTH were you other gorges doing??!!?!), I *expect* to see Onos and Fades keeping the Marines at a distance.
-JohnnySmash
We need D chambers!
We need M chambers!
Come on guys we need more O chambers in the Hive!
LOL.
The game I was on involved a slay of a guy who was res whoring(at least the admin claimed so), and the admin stated that res whoring is against the <u>server policy</u>. This was the key, it's not the admin's own convictions, it's the server rules.
If you are a different person than the one I met Essix, than perhaps the server you played on had a no res **** rule too.
Look at the situation, if you have only 1 rt, it doesnt matter if you go onos, the alien team cannot win with 1 rt.
Look at the situation, if you have only 1 rt, it doesnt matter if you go onos, the alien team cannot win with 1 rt. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you ALSO get in a bad way if you wind up with a load of people all trying to be perma-gorge the whole time. There are always going to be bad games and bad gamers, but the people we're talking about aren't deliberatly trying to wreck the game, they're just playing it the way they want... they should be educated, not punished.
And no, I don't believe kicking is a valid way to 'educate' them.
The way I see it, being an individual and having your own personal resources in the game forces more responsibility on the individual. Since you are not forced to accomplish teamwork by a system such as the marines, you must force yourself.
Other alien players have every right to throw blame on another alien who was not working toward the common goal.
You are ultimately responsible if (no passing the buck):
1. The aliens lose because they did not have enough defences in a key location and you had enough resources to drop a couple OCs.
2. The aliens lose because a hive was not built when the aliens had the location secured and you had plenty of resources to put it up.
3. The aliens are crippled because a hive and it's key chambers were destroyed but you were in another hive and could have dropped a couple of the now dead hives' upgrade chambers before it died.
4. The aliens survive because a rush is thwarted by your well placed OCs.
5. The aliens gain more resources by way of you sacrificing a few of your own.
6. The aliens win due to your removal of certain key marine structures.
The list could go on and on.
In short, as an alien or marine what you do for the team is very important. It's just easier to do such things alone as an alien.
Not really, if it's a good server I'm always a team player, and order my team around and use team_say to tell people where to defend and attack. Just most of the time I get accused of "talking too much" in game when I'm the only one using team_say. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, then do drop in <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Who wants to play marines with a com that hoards all the res, maby lays down the basic structures, Give out no weapons, doesent upgrade etc etc and then on top of that doesnt really lead team. yeah sounds like fun to me. But, at least with com you can eject him..
Alien res hoards are just as anoying and ruin the game just as well. The admins I play under have a great way of dealing with it. If you dont get team concensus on res hoarding they wait till just after you hatch onos and then ready room and rejoin you (RRaR). Works well no ban needed, gets point acrose and give them the choice of playing on or leaving.
Personally, I drop a RT at the beginning of every alien game I'm in. Then when I get about 30 res I look at what we have. If we're doing okay, I go Lerk. If we lack important crap like upgrade chambers or a 2nd hive, I'll put those up instead. Sometimes I go Lerk anyway because we really need to kick the marines out of a certain location. I'll generate a ton of resources from kills, and if I manage to die I'll use those resources as gorge to throw up whatever is necessary.
It's all about balancing your resources to figure out what will help your team more. I know that putting up an early RT will be a huge help to the entire team, so I put one up early. Later on, if the basic needs of a 2nd hive and 1st upgrade chambers are being dealt with, it's much more effective for my team to have me as a very effective Lerk (or possibly Fade) than to have me placing semi-crappy OCs at key locations.
If you're not a hardcore killer, you can still be a huge boon to your team by placing structures or hives where they're needed. Newer/Average players who go early Lerk/Fade aren't usually helping their team much (though it's rare that I personally yell at any of them; so long as we have first level upgrades and someone who saves for 2nd hive, I'm happy).
He then yelled at me for not putting up DCs first (went with team consensus, not generally my own, and put down MCs) so he could be a "Redemption Onos" and that he "couldnt win without DC"
I had Cargo hive ready but marines were coming so I didnt drop it, so I said secure the hive, to which he replied "We dont need another hive, we need Onos," so we lost that hive (they already had one of them)
When we finally got a second hive after a furious round of teamwork by the rest of the team, he immediately goes gorge and drops a SC, saying that we blew it already by putting down MCs
This was on Linuxmonster.
I dont know the circumstances around the res kicking, but if you are this type of person that does not contribute to anything but your own RFK system, I cant feel sorry for you. Most of the time, I'm a gorge with maybe 3-7 resorces, just trying to put down the stuff the rest of the team wont, or keep the marines out of key areas with structures. I almost never see 100 res, and if I do it is because we are already so heartily stomping the marines that we need only 1 gorge.
Just because each member of the TEAM gets individual res does not make it ok to think you are independant of that TEAM and can do whatever you want. I could hide in a vent and wait for 100 res, does that mean I should?
There is no I in TEAM, however there is ME, and if you cant be a TEAM, you are going to be MEAT.
uh huh
Personally, I drop a RT at the beginning of every alien game I'm in. Then when I get about 30 res I look at what we have. If we're doing okay, I go Lerk. If we lack important crap like upgrade chambers or a 2nd hive, I'll put those up instead. Sometimes I go Lerk anyway because we really need to kick the marines out of a certain location. I'll generate a ton of resources from kills, and if I manage to die I'll use those resources as gorge to throw up whatever is necessary.
It's all about balancing your resources to figure out what will help your team more. I know that putting up an early RT will be a huge help to the entire team, so I put one up early. Later on, if the basic needs of a 2nd hive and 1st upgrade chambers are being dealt with, it's much more effective for my team to have me as a very effective Lerk (or possibly Fade) than to have me placing semi-crappy OCs at key locations.
If you're not a hardcore killer, you can still be a huge boon to your team by placing structures or hives where they're needed. Newer/Average players who go early Lerk/Fade aren't usually helping their team much (though it's rare that I personally yell at any of them; so long as we have first level upgrades and someone who saves for 2nd hive, I'm happy). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
We need more players like you. Nuff said.
I'm out.
Unfortunately if 2 bad players hoard it forces the GOOD players, the TEAM players, the REAL experts to have to go permagorge just to keep the team afloat. No GOOD player minds going gorge to drop a chamber or two... but NO player wants to be a permagorge for a crap "team" with no idea of what the game's about.
He then yelled at me for not putting up DCs first (went with team consensus, not generally my own, and put down MCs) so he could be a "Redemption Onos" and that he "couldnt win without DC"
I had Cargo hive ready but marines were coming so I didnt drop it, so I said secure the hive, to which he replied "We dont need another hive, we need Onos," so we lost that hive (they already had one of them)
When we finally got a second hive after a furious round of teamwork by the rest of the team, he immediately goes gorge and drops a SC, saying that we blew it already by putting down MCs
This was on Linuxmonster...... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats a surprize, I always play on "The Linuxmonster and I rarely run into jerks like that guy.
I love playing there due to alot of people I know and nice team work.
Just wish it was 2.01e
2.01e is the best version this game has ever had!