Death To Button Mashers
DiscoZombie
Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">or, "why I hate soul calibur 2"</div> ...so I'm new to Soul Calibur. I hear all the hype, I know I have to rent it. I do so, and experiment with the chars, looking for one that's not too boring, but not too complicated to learn the moves of in a rental period. I settle on Ivy, for her long reach, cool attacks, and easy-to-pull-off stances. I learn the majority of her moves in practice and in weapon master. I start feeling somewhat confident; I often go through somewhat long streaks without dying... then I play against a friend of mine. She's a button masher. She comes at me, banging on the controller, and I'm struck completely helpless, a victim of her wrath. I don't know when to block because her furious random attacks come so fast. I don't have time to get off any special moves cuz her quick non-special moves hit me before I'm done... when we're done, our scores are like 3 vs. 12... and she played with a different char every time, too -- only times I beat her really were when she used slow chars like Nightmare...
Her 'strategy' owned the computer too. I tried to beat the Sophitia boss somewhere in the middle of weapon master like 8 times. I say I give up, and ask her to do it for me, and she beats the boss no problem, first try.
Why do they even bother putting cool-looking moves in these games if lame run-and-slash tactics always win in the end? :~(
Her 'strategy' owned the computer too. I tried to beat the Sophitia boss somewhere in the middle of weapon master like 8 times. I say I give up, and ask her to do it for me, and she beats the boss no problem, first try.
Why do they even bother putting cool-looking moves in these games if lame run-and-slash tactics always win in the end? :~(
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Thus the masher can annihilate you when you're trying your death combo chain.
Solution? Master the quick short moves your player has. Ivy is a great distance fighter but also has a lot of close up "keep away" moves that you can exploit against a serial masher. Persevere.
The controller decides the ease of button mashing though, PS2 is gonna be the worst, with Xbox and then GameCube.
Human opponents will never compare to computer ones, and vv. Golden rule of gaming.
That and "Do not jump when eye is red".
<b>all you gotta do to dispense of the mashers is to master, know, get a feel for the ranges of your respective attacks.
when you're mashing, you have no control over what range your attacks have, because it varies.</b>
I play SC 2 with my Dad and he's a masher, but a different type. He's so bad it hurts me. Sometimes I let him win a couple, then bet him a case of beer I can beat him the next 10 rounds in a row. Minutes later as I'm enjoying a victory beer he starts to whine about his forearm hurting and needing a smoke.
But enough of my story. On to the button masher discussion.
I can't stand playing with mashers. I pick characters based on reach and flow. Maxi is my favorite because he's quick and flows. Nightmare is close second because of reach. Anyhoo, mashers pick the "big breasted women" or something of the like. Not that I don't like a full chested gal, but I play for the fight. I want breasts I go to my girlfriends house. Maybe I'm a snob when it comes to this sort of stuff...but man...I hate playing mashers.
haha Grimm, I forgot to say that about my opponent... yeah, I *DID* know moves that could out-cheap her, but then she'd throw a huge tantrum about how lame and cheap I was and would quit...
as for the mashers picking big-breasted women... well, all I can say is that I was pretty mesmerized when I played Taki in that red outfit for the first time... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> I think they put more work into programming the jiggle factor than programming the rest of the game combined...
If you want a anti-button masher fighting game, go for my favorite, Bushido Blade. If you mash in that game without knowing what you are doing, you're going down.
Nothing quite so slick as sidestepping/parrying your masher friend then a one hit kill.
Or systematically taking out all his limbs and laughing at him.
With characters who have good range - like Ivy - keep your distance and use your long range attacks to destroy a button masher. Ivy's got a nasty move that trips your opponent at range with a low sweep of her whip. Her straight-on ranged attacks (forward+B?) are also good, as is holding down A.
(A = horizontal attack, B = vertical attack)
If your character is capable of it, another good thing to do is to stagger your opponent with a stomp move. Cervantes in SC had one of the best stomp moves - its range was fantastically nerfed in SC2 (sadly, but with good reason). If I stagger my opponent as Cervantes in SC1, I can remove 50% of his health every time. If he's not quick on his feet when he finally hits the ground again, I can up that to about 70% of his health.
<lack of modesty>...but then again I've been playing it against people who don't do anything else other than play games so I'm pretty good at it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--></lack of modesty>
I usually end up playing cassandra or nightmare; with nights I can really annoy the heck out of people by just standing there and smacking them when they move or being super cheap and it's really disheartening for new players/button bashing... I should really stop doing it ^^;
I once went up against a button basher and won the entire match by dodging all their random moves and punching them in the face. That was only a couple of weeks before one or two people decided nightmare must be a cheating character; something that stopped shortly after I did almost exactly the same thing with lizardman (SC1) =3
Against the more experienced players I just throw on cass and get right in their face though... they prefer fighting me when I'm nightmare because it's more tactical while with sophitia's little sis I can just chase them all around the ring lol
um... anyways, button mashers aren't too difficult once you really start learning the deeper levels of fighting games like SC, GG, CvS2 and stuff... with fighting games it's easy to think you're pretty good if you don't have crazy I-used-to-miss-exams-for-this opponents XD
Fighting the computer is good for building up the basics but don't measure yourself by them because people play waaay different from them and will beat you down good for any bad habits the AI might've taught you <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
because the distance your attacks have and timing is so important - more than any other fighting game i know of.
- however it could be possible to create a 'masher' char, but im not sure.
You can create your own characters through the singleplayer part - where you learn new techniques as you encounter them. Also you can customize 3 stances (block methods and the strike-combo).
Thing is, the usual arguement versus button mashers is the lack of skill and/or finesse required- which is often the source of my own angsty remarks regarding rushes in RTS (yes, that makes me an occasional hypocrite, but no one likes getting their arse handed to them on a plate every game). I haven't really played much into the SC series and I'll have to admit I never really liked it much- there was just something it seemed to lack.
I'm a KoF fanatic myself, pure and simple (despite the truly heart-renderingly bad KoF 2001 released by Playmore- 2002 is mediocre but pure gaming gold compared to 2001). Liku- yes, 2D fighters eternally.
Yamazaki, Rugal, Shingo... ah, how I miss your juggling, counter-attack-mising projectile death. Of course, a few of my mashing mates (I rarely complain- winning's more fun) still have the audacity to complain themselves when Yamazaki's Sado/Maso and Double Return are chained with a few snake arms <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
If we're going to descend into 2d mashers, can I just say DAN HIBIKI IS GOD.
Basically I just try to get comfy with the controls,and if they don't feel right,I change it around a bit until I find one that I find comfortable....after that I throw up practise mode and test out the moves one after another until I pull them off perfectly
Then using my evil genius-like brain,I brainstorm evil combos....and after that if the game allows the computer to control the other character I set it to the hardest skill set and start playing around with it.
One game you should really try is the Guilty Gear series,a bit hard to master but once you do well....just try applying it on other games,minus the 50-hit combo you learned <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sadly,I wasn't able to beat the CPU in GG:X at highest difficulty,they are insane I tell you!! [INSERT SLEEPING PILL HERE]
Not for button mashers, only 20$, and has a good single player.
Well, after a few losses, i cry and i say he's not coming to my birthday party. This guy manages to show me up in so many games using retarded tactics.
On another note, sol is soooo cheap o.O
It's all in the combos. Ido kizami-zuki mawashi-geri am teh win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.
It <i>is</i> really annoying when you get a new game and your diligently trying to learn it whilst some button masher is proclaiming his superioty. You simply can't handle the complete randomness of their attacks.
Once you get good however that same randomness becomes a weakness you can exploit as along with their random well timed moves they also pull off random stupid moves. Once your good you can handle the former and punish them for the latter.
Just be patient and cope with their button mashing, you'll pay them back in spades later <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
SC2: Best Fighter Ever.