Ns Draft League

DiskordDiskord Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16464Members
While conversing with another NS'er, we were discussing the NS in terms of clan play and decided that the clan base isn't as strong as it could be, number wise. So in an effort to expand and perhaps level the playing field a bit more, we thought it might be worthwhile to introduce a draft type league.

Basically, you enter in the draft, and based on performance, a panel will vote a score between 1-5, five being the best. The scores are then averaged and rounded, giving you a 'value.' For instance, say SHAMPOO goes on one of his many kill streaks and a few of the judges ( dev team, perhaps? ) notes it and he gets three votes of five and one vote of one ( some jerk who got owned ). His point value would be 4 ( 16/4 ). Now each 'team' will be represented by a team leader - someone respected in the community ( or at least infamous ). Each team will have a certain # of points and will then get draft picks ala baseball or basketball.

The point values will act as sort of a salary cap. So someone can't snag several 5 value players and make it unfair. A team leader will have to rely on clever decesion making and organization to truly make his/her team work.

I think this would allow several non clannies an intro and chance to shine in the NS community, as well as prolonging the lifespan of NS as a competetive online game. If you like the idea, then support it, if not, then describe why. If you have suggestions, I'd love to hear them!
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  • Skillzilla1Skillzilla1 Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16282Members
    This would definately make the clan scene more interesting. It's tiring having the same 5 clans play eachother over and over. This also would be hugely fun to play with some new people you've never seen before, and some people you've always wished you could play with. This would be a great and fun league <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    edited October 2003
    Three words.

    Hell. freaking. Ya.

    P.S. Web Web Web Web Web Web Web
  • DiskordDiskord Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16464Members
    edited October 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Skillzilla_+Oct 6 2003, 05:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Skillzilla_ @ Oct 6 2003, 05:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This would definately make the clan scene more interesting. It's tiring having the same 5 clans play eachother over and over. This also would be hugely fun to play with some new people you've never seen before, and some people you've always wished you could play with. This would be a great and fun league <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I couldn't agree more. There are several people I'd like a chance to play with if given the chance. Plus a much more level playing field would be alot more interesting.
  • SHAMPOOSHAMPOO Probably the best NS player Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15865Members, Constellation
    The reason the clan scene kind of sucks is because there is zero competition. No tournaments, no drama, this leads to everyone getting bored with competitive play and clans breaking up because there is really nothing to do except CAL matches on the weekends and:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's tiring having the same 5 clans play eachother over and over.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    If only the the dev team, or anyone would step up and just create montly tournaments with the prize being something silly like purple gorge icons for a month or something it could add quite a bit to the clan scene.
  • Skillzilla1Skillzilla1 Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16282Members
    I totally agree SHAMPOO, but I'm sure there would be a few of the clans out there that sit there saying "WELL HAM IS PLAYING THERE'S NO CHANCE WE'LL WIN WHY WASTE TIME!!" and I don't blame em. Who wants a tourny where you know who's going to be in the top 8? If we did something like a random draft tournament/league it would bring a lot of unknown good players up to the front, helping to vreate more good clans so we can have more tournaments with good games in them.
  • DiskordDiskord Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16464Members
    edited October 2003
    And with the current player base, it's alot harder for any clan to recruit someone who doesn't have experience. So it's like a "members only" kind of club right now, because clans can't take a chance on a new person in an attempt to get to the level of HAM or dn`.

    Edit:

    Upon some further discussion, we've come to a few conclusions. If this does happen, and we can draw enough support from the NS community - then we'll do our best to take this one ourselves ( with help from whoever wants ). Basically, skillz and I have set it up this way.

    -A basic player sign up, listing your best skill for each side, contact info, and in-team position preference ( leader, coleader ).
    -Then, based on the number of applicants we choose team sizes and the number of teams ( we're shooting for 15-20 teams of at least 8 each ).
    -Team leaders will then be chose based on 'in-team' preferences and, if that number exceeds the number of teams, leaders will be chosen somewhat randomly ( to prevent huge folleys ).
    -There will be a lay period at this point and some 'spotlight' servers will open up in which players can play with team leaders and get their name out. This is so the nonames have a shot at hitting it big early.
    -Draft order will be chosen at random.
    -Live drafts will be held on IRC, so you can see your fate unfold (exciting!).
    -Another lay period.
    -NS: Draft season starts.
    -Maybe a 30$ buy in tourney, winner take all? Sponsored?

    Theres alot left out, but this is all just basics.
  • SlayerOfSkulksSlayerOfSkulks Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17634Members
    This is an excellent idea on SO many levels. It evens the clan playing field, alows none-clanners (such as myself) a gateway into the mysterious world of clans, and makes for a fun way of testing your relative skills.

    The only problem I can see is that some judges will doubtless be harsher than others, which means some players will be rated better or worse based on the judges that day. Hmm...
  • DiskordDiskord Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16464Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--slayer111+Oct 6 2003, 06:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (slayer111 @ Oct 6 2003, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is an excellent idea on SO many levels. It evens the clan playing field, alows none-clanners (such as myself) a gateway into the mysterious world of clans, and makes for a fun way of testing your relative skills.

    The only problem I can see is that some judges will doubtless be harsher than others, which means some players will be rated better or worse based on the judges that day. Hmm... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    We've given up on the judge idea. It'll be up to team leaders to pick right, and a good team doesn't necessarily have 6 all stars. You have to take into account personalities and such, too.
  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    Should we consider this team seperate from our usual clans? I want to participate in this, and most of my clan probably wants to too, but we're not sure how double clanning will fit in.
  • Skillzilla1Skillzilla1 Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16282Members
    Well it's pretty much decided that judging is too.. judgemental (sorry couldn't resist) Plus team leaders should have the obligation of researching what players to pick up for his team. I think this would be a much better league than tournament. I'm not a big fan of buy-ins myself. Plus what if you spent $30 to buy in and you got caught with a crappy team? The only thing I'd be worried about in a league like this would be people saying "Wow I got stuck with a crappy team I'm quitting!" I guess we could have people that signed up too late for the draft be able to fill in for people that dropped out.
  • DiskordDiskord Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16464Members
    I'm not saying break up your clans. I personally <3 my clan very much. But I think it'll probably end up in the off season, or something.
  • Skillzilla1Skillzilla1 Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16282Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Last.+Oct 6 2003, 06:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Oct 6 2003, 06:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Should we consider this team seperate from our usual clans? I want to participate in this, and most of my clan probably wants to too, but we're not sure how double clanning will fit in. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes. This would just a little fun league to maybe get to know some more people, and have some great competition. It's almost like a pug league at the begging, but maybe some new clans could form out of this. The winners would have to have great teamwork/skill.
  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    Best thing you could do right now is setup a lil outpost on gamesnet. Good first step <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • Skillzilla1Skillzilla1 Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16282Members
    edited October 2003
    We're in #support as we speak trying to register #NSDraft on gamesnet. Stop by and say hi, maybe to brainstorm. This thing would be so much fun <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Edit: Regged
  • DiskordDiskord Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16464Members
    edited October 2003
  • Skillzilla1Skillzilla1 Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16282Members
    All we need is a little idlin' lovin' in #NSDraft to make sure we have enough people that would want to participate in this. Show the love!
  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    im the 3rd person in #nsdraft! w00t! i r special! that's what i get for staying up @ 4:30 AM
  • DiskordDiskord Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16464Members
    We appreciate your continue support and look forward to a bright future for NS.
  • GeronimoGeronimo Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11056Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Diskord+Oct 6 2003, 05:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diskord @ Oct 6 2003, 05:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> While conversing with another NS'er, we were discussing the NS in terms of clan play and decided that the clan base isn't as strong as it could be, number wise. So in an effort to expand and perhaps level the playing field a bit more, we thought it might be worthwhile to introduce a draft type league.

    Basically, you enter in the draft, and based on performance, a panel will vote a score between 1-5, five being the best. The scores are then averaged and rounded, giving you a 'value.' For instance, say SHAMPOO goes on one of his many kill streaks and a few of the judges ( dev team, perhaps? ) notes it and he gets three votes of five and one vote of one ( some jerk who got owned ). His point value would be 4 ( 16/4 ). Now each 'team' will be represented by a team leader - someone respected in the community ( or at least infamous ). Each team will have a certain # of points and will then get draft picks ala baseball or basketball.

    The point values will act as sort of a salary cap. So someone can't snag several 5 value players and make it unfair. A team leader will have to rely on clever decesion making and organization to truly make his/her team work.

    I think this would allow several non clannies an intro and chance to shine in the NS community, as well as prolonging the lifespan of NS as a competetive online game. If you like the idea, then support it, if not, then describe why. If you have suggestions, I'd love to hear them! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Say that I go play in the noobiest of noob-servers, and play in the afternoon only. I will get 50+ frags EVERY game, so people will have to give me high scores. In the other hand, I could go play on elite servers against people like #.bm and torment, only to get alot less kills, but probably needing alot more skill to do so, without getting points?

    How are people going to see who is playing what, when?

    As it is now, clangame outcome is not depending on individual skill, more of strategy and teamplay. The best clans differ very little skillwise...
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    Omg Diskord....

    ....I like this idea.... ALOT. It would be great to get to know people through this way, seriously, I would gladly give my support and try to get the regs at my server to support this to!!!!

    great idea!
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Skillzilla_+Oct 6 2003, 06:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Skillzilla_ @ Oct 6 2003, 06:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All we need is a little idlin' lovin' in #NSDraft to make sure we have enough people that would want to participate in this. Show the love! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What if IRC REFUSES to work for me.... please PM info that I need to know, kthx =)
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    If you make it so there are teamleaders who get to pick their own members will you will end up with the same players on the same teams owning the same tournaments.


    There needs to be an element of randominess, else this is going to suck hardcore and be no different than everything else.


    My suggestion:

    Players are assigned randomly on to teams of 8.

    Next, if a team feels they have a player who is crap or doesn't fit in well, then they can be voted out by the team(minimum of 5 votes, this is majority), and if they are voted out they are put back into a pool of players and he is sent to another team, and a new player is randomally put into the team that voted out their player.

    Simple, effective, and most importantly, interesting.
  • incinaratorincinarator Join Date: 2003-06-16 Member: 17418Awaiting Authorization
    so far sounds like a great idea, im willing to help this to go some where, ill keep up on this topic and maybe talk to me in irc.

    pm, Incin

    idl, in #xen-ns
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Oct 6 2003, 09:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Oct 6 2003, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you make it so there are teamleaders who get to pick their own members will you will end up with the same players on the same teams owning the same tournaments.


    There needs to be an element of randominess, else this is going to suck hardcore and be no different than everything else.


    My suggestion:

    Players are assigned randomly on to teams of 8.

    Next, if a team feels they have a player who is crap or doesn't fit in well, then they can be voted out by the team(minimum of 5 votes, this is majority), and if they are voted out they are put back into a pool of players and he is sent to another team, and a new player is randomally put into the team that voted out their player.

    Simple, effective, and most importantly, interesting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Eh, I kinda like the true draft idea better than random.
  • SiliconSilicon Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13683Members
    and in this ns draft league, could joe schmoe join?
  • TUNA_AnomayTUNA_Anomay Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21005Members
    OMG. DO IT DO IT DO IT
  • fo_shizzlefo_shizzle Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20264Members
    This idea is....

    <img src='http://members.cox.net/dan-brady/endorsed.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
  • VininVinin Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7601Members
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    This is a bad idea. I've competed in the first counter strike draft league made by CAL. It was a failure. People wanted to play on teams with their friends, not a bunch of strangers. Talent attracts talent, hence why sYn was so dominate in 1.04, and why HAM is top notch now, you would expect people to give that up? If you want the most skilled clanners to compete in this league, do not be surprised if they put their normal team first over you guys. That was the problem with the CS league. I was on the team with [3D]-Bullseye, zEx|Shaguar and DoP-Original, who all were in competition for the CAL championship. They had no time to compete with the draft team, which made them kind of pointless to have around.

    Also what is to stop people from rigging the scoring. i.e. Player A is really should have a score of 5, but deliberately earns a score of 2 so that he can be on a team with another 5 player. So the team would be getting two "5" players, when they should be getting a 2 and a 5.

    Mixing the talent to balance it out kind of ruins the game for the people who dedicate enough time to be skilled at it. Maybe more clans should just form up, instead of a draft league.
  • CHAMoisCHAMois Join Date: 2003-02-09 Member: 13339Members
    so instead of playing with my clan and friends I get to play with crappy players who I dont even know?

    <i>sign me up !!</i>
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