<!--QuoteBegin--Z.X. Bogglesteinsky+Oct 23 2003, 03:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Z.X. Bogglesteinsky @ Oct 23 2003, 03:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ok, so i misquoted it. God said not to kill. Evidently he wasnt talking about animals, because he gave us dominion, so he must have been talking about humans - dont kill humans.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So if the Pope says animals have souls and makes it doctrine doesn't it become true by God also<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont see how God would change his mind just because an old bloke in a hat says so. It just doesnt make sense. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Umm because Dogma made by man is accepted by God according to Catholic beliefs.
ok, so Dogma is some catholic invention. I personally dont agree with it. Just because someone says something, doesnt mean it is true
If animals had sould, they would be in heaven with the rest of us, but no animals are ever mentioned in heaven. Ok, so that doesn't mean that they wont be, and if it was 100% necessary for your complete happiness that your pet puppy had to be in heaven with you, he would be, but ther is someting much better then your puppy in heaven, there is God. There may be animals on the new earth, but I don't think that they would be the same animals as on this earth, just new ones.
The magisterium of the Catholic Church is a teaching authority. The Bible doesn't interpret itself, and the interpretation of its various readers widely varies (as the several thousand Protestant denominations prove). Therefore, one authority is required to sustain the unity of the Church, not to 'override' God, but to remain in spiritual communion with Him.
The keys of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, granted to the Church by Jesus through Peter, symbolize her liberty to remit or retain the temporal punishment of personal sins (hence, indulgences). Therefore, a Pope could never add something to revelation with dogmatic declarations, he merely re-interprets already revealed truths.
In this particular case, JP2 didn't teach with his full authority of the infallible solemn magisterium. However, he still has a good point. After all, what is a soul? It is the immaterial thing which moves and animates the body. In so far all living things certainly possess a soul, and they certainly deserve respects as great creations.
But what he meant when he said that animals are as near to God as men are, I cannot understand. I wish he had elaborated.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So if the Pope says animals have souls and makes it doctrine doesn't it become true by God also<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont see how God would change his mind just because an old bloke in a hat says so. It just doesnt make sense. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm because Dogma made by man is accepted by God according to Catholic beliefs.
Is the Pope Catholic? : P
If animals had sould, they would be in heaven with the rest of us, but no animals are ever mentioned in heaven. Ok, so that doesn't mean that they wont be, and if it was 100% necessary for your complete happiness that your pet puppy had to be in heaven with you, he would be, but ther is someting much better then your puppy in heaven, there is God. There may be animals on the new earth, but I don't think that they would be the same animals as on this earth, just new ones.
The keys of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, granted to the Church by Jesus through Peter, symbolize her liberty to remit or retain the temporal punishment of personal sins (hence, indulgences). Therefore, a Pope could never add something to revelation with dogmatic declarations, he merely re-interprets already revealed truths.
In this particular case, JP2 didn't teach with his full authority of the infallible solemn magisterium. However, he still has a good point. After all, what is a soul? It is the immaterial thing which moves and animates the body. In so far all living things certainly possess a soul, and they certainly deserve respects as great creations.
But what he meant when he said that animals are as near to God as men are, I cannot understand. I wish he had elaborated.