<!--QuoteBegin--Mullet+Oct 25 2003, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Oct 25 2003, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> meh....all he did was bring it to the shore and kill it..... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Let me see YOU do that. Approaching something of that size takes guts, and dragging it by the tail (the thrashy-est part of the fish) is no easy feat.
<!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Oct 26 2003, 04:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Oct 26 2003, 04:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> WAY out of preportion, but it gets the job done. Funny. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> err if u meant by size i purposly did that, to make the marine looks smaller and weaker (i used picturizing art) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I dunno if thats right, I'm an ignorant american who doesn't know kilograms.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i think you need to learn the basic prefixes(not sure i got this correctly translated), Kilo means 1000, or 10^3, not 10^6... and 2nd'ly you need to keep notice on using the same numbers you specify - you specified 1lb to be .000454 kg, yet you use .00454 for the calculation.
if you used the correct prefix you would've gotten: 299.64kg just as Eediot said.
i know this look as a flame, but im just correcting this poor man <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT: beat ya to it scinet <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
A gram is 1/1000th of a kilogram (kilo = 1000, hence kg = 1000 grams), thus 454g = 0.454kg. So, the shark is about 300kg, which is twice the weight of a rather obese man.
He didn't swim towards the shark, he grabbed the tail.
600 pounds isn't much in water.
Plus the shark was in <b>very shallow</b> water, it was probably dying anyway (sick, tired, lost, whatever). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 600 pounds of muscle and cartilage swimming in the opposite direction is a WHOLE lot in the water. Think of it this way: Imagine walking in waist-deep water, now imagine doing so while pulling a jet ski, now imagine doing the same thing while the jet ski is using enough power to make it go up to 20 miles an hour in the opposite direction, and pulling it all the way to shore. That's an incredible thing to do if you ask me, and jet skis cant turn around and bite you.
And sharks are deadly in water as shallow as knee-deep, depending on what species it is, so the whole "it was in shallow water so it was probably dying" argument has no validity.
Shallow water is a very subjective term. Usually people refer to waist-deep water as shallow, which is plenty of room for a shark to swim, and kill things, in. Just trust me on that one, cause I've been diving with the little b*st*rds and can tell you they are very mobile in a tiny amount of water.
I dunno if thats right, I'm an ignorant american who doesn't know kilograms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> too many zeros
1lb = 454g 454g = 0.454Kg
660* 0.454 = 299.4 Kg
Kilo = thousand, such as kilometer, 1000 meters, Kilogram = 1000 grams
The article is incredibly vague, but from what I can gather...
If the guy ran into the water, it couldnt have been more then half way up his shins, which should be about 20 or 25 centimeters deep. Any deeper would have slown him down to a crawl. Secondly, it is much easier to carry weights through water then over land. Thirdly, if he lifted the tail section out of the water, all he would have to do would be to bear hug it and drag it up on shore, since most of the motive force from the shark comes from the tail, there would not have been as much resistance as has been stipulated by others.
In my opinion, this only further highlights mans obscene belief in the superiority over other life forms. Sharks have been around for far longer then mankind has been around and it is only through irrational fear that we've been slaughtering them by the millions. Why? Because on occasion, a shark mistakes a guy for food and chomps him. GG humanity perpetuating and heroising (is that a word?) ignorance.
The water he RAN INTO had to be 20 - 25 cm deep. Otherwise he couldnt have ran in there.
To he grabbed it by the tail, presumably lifting it half out of the water. It couldnt swim away since he had it's tail, it's prime mode of propulsion through the water safely in the air.
With the shark half out of the water, and the ease of getting heavy objects through water, this shark would have been a cakewalk for a strong fisherman to drag out of the water.
In any case, how dumb do you think those people were? If you see a shark headed towards you in shallow water, you GET OUT OF THE WATER. The guy WAS stupid to do what he did.
He was not struggling in deep water.
The Shark could not struggle since it's tail was out of the water.
The water was shallow.
The "Iceman" was fairly strong.
This guy had the advantage. Had it been deep water, this guy would not have "won".
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<!--QuoteBegin--Doug the Head+Oct 26 2003, 06:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Doug the Head @ Oct 26 2003, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> gg putting animal life over that of people <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What's wrong with that? People are Animals FFS. We're killing Sharks for no reason, and you want us to continue?
<!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Oct 26 2003, 10:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Oct 26 2003, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What's wrong with that? People are Animals FFS. We're killing Sharks for no reason, and you want us to continue?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is pathetic. A man sees that an unpredictable shark could endanger his crew and makes a quick decision to kill it. And you people criticise him for killing the "poor animal" because he should assume that sharks are nice and won't bite humans? This is ****ing disgusting. If you feel fine with sharks swimming around you with blood all over then be my guest and dip yourself in fish blood and go swimming near sharks, I won't be missing you.
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Hmm... I never said killing that one particular Shark was bad. But killing sharks without reason and saying, putting People in front of Animals is pointless.
I would always put the life of a being with consciousness and the potential for good over an animal with a primitive intellect. Unless there are signs of a developing intellect I see no reason not to treat all animals as property.
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So you'd save someone fine in front of someone with a mental-handicap? Animals as property? What about people as property? Because that's both been done, so Animals are as good as People huh?
I dunno if thats right, I'm an ignorant american who doesn't know kilograms. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> aka 300kg
<!--QuoteBegin--.:|AMAS|:. kyliegirl+Oct 26 2003, 02:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.:|AMAS|:. kyliegirl @ Oct 26 2003, 02:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> they should say what sorta shark it was. and the only reason it came to shallow water was because of the blood and guts in the water, it was merely looking for an easy kill. i bet anything it wouldve gone for the carcass and not the crew. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sharks r stupid
I am all for saving their genetic diversity for the science and pursuit of genetic engineering, of preserving their habitats and beauty for future generations, of inspecting the fossil and living records and peering into the past, viewing windows of other possibilities..
The shark was attracted by the blood and guts in the water, not the crew, all that "Iceman" guy had to do was order his crew on board the vessel or at least back onto shore. Instead he wanted to prove how much balls he had by tackling a shark on hand to hand.
Seriously, theres this mentality that "OMG! A SHARK!!! ITS GOING TO DEVOUR MEH!!!" that frankly does no favours.
<a href='http://www.austmus.gov.au/factsheets/sharks.htm' target='_blank'>Link To Some "Educational" Info</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--Cronos+Oct 26 2003, 11:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cronos @ Oct 26 2003, 11:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The shark was attracted by the blood and guts in the water, not the crew, all that "Iceman" guy had to do was order his crew on board the vessel or at least back onto shore. Instead he wanted to prove how much balls he had by tackling a shark on hand to hand.
Seriously, theres this mentality that "OMG! A SHARK!!! ITS GOING TO DEVOUR MEH!!!" that frankly does no favours.
<a href='http://www.austmus.gov.au/factsheets/sharks.htm' target='_blank'>Link To Some "Educational" Info</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed.
Honestly, who wouldn't have done the same thing if you were in his position....well besides gut it on the beach. You people are acting like he's some hero for going after the shark, when I'm sure everyone here would have done the same. And keep in mind, why the hell would you bring a shark the shore when its defensless and gut it....it's just stupid. Sounds to me like the shark was already hurt for being so close to the shore considering how big it was, then he just goes and guts it....That's not cool.
that sharks not that big, wouldn't have been that hard to drag out of shallow water. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
and considering they failed to mention which species of shark, i think its safe to say it was pretty harmless.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cronos+Oct 27 2003, 02:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cronos @ Oct 27 2003, 02:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The shark was attracted by the blood and guts in the water, not the crew, all that "Iceman" guy had to do was order his crew on board the vessel or at least back onto shore. Instead he wanted to prove how much balls he had by tackling a shark on hand to hand.
Seriously, theres this mentality that "OMG! A SHARK!!! ITS GOING TO DEVOUR MEH!!!" that frankly does no favours.
<a href='http://www.austmus.gov.au/factsheets/sharks.htm' target='_blank'>Link To Some "Educational" Info</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There might not have been enough time for the crew to get away, and it would have been easy for the shark to mistake one of them for dinner with the bloody water around them. As for killing the shark, maybe he was hungry? He's a fisherman after all, wouldn't make much sense if he let the fish go when he could eat/sell it.
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<!--QuoteBegin--homerx+Oct 26 2003, 07:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (homerx @ Oct 26 2003, 07:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I totally agree, you don't have to gut the shark when it's already out of water. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah, except they're f***ing delicious.
i would drag it onto the beach, next to a prepared pot of boiling broth and vegetables, tear off the fins, and VOILA
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Let me see YOU do that. Approaching something of that size takes guts, and dragging it by the tail (the thrashy-est part of the fish) is no easy feat.
err if u meant by size i purposly did that, to make the marine looks smaller and weaker (i used picturizing art) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
LMAO
454g = .000454 kg
660*.00454 = 2.994 kg?
I dunno if thats right, I'm an ignorant american who doesn't know kilograms.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i think you need to learn the basic prefixes(not sure i got this correctly translated), Kilo means 1000, or 10^3, not 10^6... and 2nd'ly you need to keep notice on using the same numbers you specify - you specified 1lb to be .000454 kg, yet you use .00454 for the calculation.
if you used the correct prefix you would've gotten: 299.64kg just as Eediot said.
i know this look as a flame, but im just correcting this poor man <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT: beat ya to it scinet <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
NO.
A gram is 1/1000th of a kilogram (kilo = 1000, hence kg = 1000 grams), thus 454g = 0.454kg. So, the shark is about 300kg, which is twice the weight of a rather obese man.
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Curses. DHP beat me to it.
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He didn't swim towards the shark, he grabbed the tail.
600 pounds isn't much in water.
Plus the shark was in <b>very shallow</b> water, it was probably dying anyway (sick, tired, lost, whatever). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
600 pounds of muscle and cartilage swimming in the opposite direction is a WHOLE lot in the water. Think of it this way: Imagine walking in waist-deep water, now imagine doing so while pulling a jet ski, now imagine doing the same thing while the jet ski is using enough power to make it go up to 20 miles an hour in the opposite direction, and pulling it all the way to shore. That's an incredible thing to do if you ask me, and jet skis cant turn around and bite you.
And sharks are deadly in water as shallow as knee-deep, depending on what species it is, so the whole "it was in shallow water so it was probably dying" argument has no validity.
454g = .000454 kg
660*.00454 = 2.994 kg?
I dunno if thats right, I'm an ignorant american who doesn't know kilograms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
too many zeros
1lb = 454g
454g = 0.454Kg
660* 0.454 = 299.4 Kg
Kilo = thousand, such as kilometer, 1000 meters, Kilogram = 1000 grams
[edit] darnit, there was a second page.
oh well [/edit]
If the guy ran into the water, it couldnt have been more then half way up his shins, which should be about 20 or 25 centimeters deep. Any deeper would have slown him down to a crawl. Secondly, it is much easier to carry weights through water then over land. Thirdly, if he lifted the tail section out of the water, all he would have to do would be to bear hug it and drag it up on shore, since most of the motive force from the shark comes from the tail, there would not have been as much resistance as has been stipulated by others.
In my opinion, this only further highlights mans obscene belief in the superiority over other life forms. Sharks have been around for far longer then mankind has been around and it is only through irrational fear that we've been slaughtering them by the millions. Why? Because on occasion, a shark mistakes a guy for food and chomps him. GG humanity perpetuating and heroising (is that a word?) ignorance.
gg putting animal life over that of people
edit- btw, i'd like to see you pull a large portion of a 660 pound animal that was fighting against you out of the water.
The water he RAN INTO had to be 20 - 25 cm deep. Otherwise he couldnt have ran in there.
To he grabbed it by the tail, presumably lifting it half out of the water. It couldnt swim away since he had it's tail, it's prime mode of propulsion through the water safely in the air.
With the shark half out of the water, and the ease of getting heavy objects through water, this shark would have been a cakewalk for a strong fisherman to drag out of the water.
In any case, how dumb do you think those people were? If you see a shark headed towards you in shallow water, you GET OUT OF THE WATER. The guy WAS stupid to do what he did.
He was not struggling in deep water.
The Shark could not struggle since it's tail was out of the water.
The water was shallow.
The "Iceman" was fairly strong.
This guy had the advantage. Had it been deep water, this guy would not have "won".
What's wrong with that? People are Animals FFS. We're killing Sharks for no reason, and you want us to continue?
The IceMan is pretty strong, let's give him that.
But he isn't that great, really.
Just read Cronos' last 2 posts.
This is pathetic. A man sees that an unpredictable shark could endanger his crew and makes a quick decision to kill it. And you people criticise him for killing the "poor animal" because he should assume that sharks are nice and won't bite humans? This is ****ing disgusting. If you feel fine with sharks swimming around you with blood all over then be my guest and dip yourself in fish blood and go swimming near sharks, I won't be missing you.
how big is a 660-lb shark?
how much in kg? how big is that? piccie? :|
edit: thats 300kg
maybe this is a picture of a 300kg shark... i google image searched '300kg shark' and it came up with this
<img src='http://chalmersfishing.freehomepage.com/images/mako1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1 lb = 454g
454g = .000454 kg
660*.00454 = 2.994 kg?
I dunno if thats right, I'm an ignorant american who doesn't know kilograms. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
aka 300kg
sharks r stupid
there could have been accident
animals r overrated
I am all for saving their genetic diversity for the science and pursuit of genetic engineering, of preserving their habitats and beauty for future generations, of inspecting the fossil and living records and peering into the past, viewing windows of other possibilities..
but kill what needs to be killed
Seriously, theres this mentality that "OMG! A SHARK!!! ITS GOING TO DEVOUR MEH!!!" that frankly does no favours.
<a href='http://www.austmus.gov.au/factsheets/sharks.htm' target='_blank'>Link To Some "Educational" Info</a>
Seriously, theres this mentality that "OMG! A SHARK!!! ITS GOING TO DEVOUR MEH!!!" that frankly does no favours.
<a href='http://www.austmus.gov.au/factsheets/sharks.htm' target='_blank'>Link To Some "Educational" Info</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed.
Honestly, who wouldn't have done the same thing if you were in his position....well besides gut it on the beach. You people are acting like he's some hero for going after the shark, when I'm sure everyone here would have done the same. And keep in mind, why the hell would you bring a shark the shore when its defensless and gut it....it's just stupid. Sounds to me like the shark was already hurt for being so close to the shore considering how big it was, then he just goes and guts it....That's not cool.
and considering they failed to mention which species of shark, i think its safe to say it was pretty harmless.
Seriously, theres this mentality that "OMG! A SHARK!!! ITS GOING TO DEVOUR MEH!!!" that frankly does no favours.
<a href='http://www.austmus.gov.au/factsheets/sharks.htm' target='_blank'>Link To Some "Educational" Info</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There might not have been enough time for the crew to get away, and it would have been easy for the shark to mistake one of them for dinner with the bloody water around them. As for killing the shark, maybe he was hungry? He's a fisherman after all, wouldn't make much sense if he let the fish go when he could eat/sell it.
yeah, except they're f***ing delicious.
i would drag it onto the beach, next to a prepared pot of boiling broth and vegetables, tear off the fins, and VOILA
motherf***ing delectable.
I bet you would all run away like wusses, as would I
then stop saying what he did wasnt much, thats very irritating..