<!--QuoteBegin--i'm lost+Nov 5 2003, 03:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Nov 5 2003, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[UVic]Albino Chinaman+Nov 5 2003, 11:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([UVic]Albino Chinaman @ Nov 5 2003, 11:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->here's the thing, if they leave the lerk how it is in 2.1o you can take down a tf and turrets by umbring yourself then biting. It's way faster. If you don't have umbra because they locked down two hives you're dumb and you deserve it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So a 2-hive lockdown by marines <i>should</i> mean that the aliens are screwed? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, it just means that if you are depending on a lerk to set you free then GL.
Lol!?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally I would like to combine Spike and Bite in one weapon, if you are within melee range its Bite. Else its Spikes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey dude, I already suggested this...
See, except in different context:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Spumbra" (what a retarded name) has to be the worst idea I've ever heard of.
Not only would it be rediculously overpowered, but you are effectivly making 2 attacks into one attack...
Why don't we make bite/spikes happen at the same time also?
While we are at it, lets go do stomp devour at the same time, as well as a xeno auto leap, a heal spit... etc.
It's just silly and obviously is a bad idea. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Funny how we can take such different view points, eh?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Spikes with regen turns you into a turret farm/phasegate killing machine gun. A patient lerk can easily free a locked-down hive if he can get a line of sight on the TF/PG. Without spikes it will become so much harder to reclaim territory. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is such a poor misuse of the lerk... he's designed to help aliens and hurt marines right now. He can't kill one marine building in under a minute. Tis sad indeed.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->O Re-added lerk bite in place of spikes!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
great am i the only one Not HAPPY with lerk bite replacing spikes? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> it now makes ALL battle aliens hand to hand combat until hive 3, it seems nobody will be going lerk when marines get heavies and i thought lerks were suppsoed to give support from far away? and not be in the fight? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Diablus+Nov 5 2003, 08:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Nov 5 2003, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->O Re-added lerk bite in place of spikes!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
great am i the only one Not HAPPY with lerk bite replacing spikes? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> it now makes ALL battle aliens hand to hand combat until hive 3, it seems nobody will be going lerk when marines get heavies and i thought lerks were suppsoed to give support from far away? and not be in the fight? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> See <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=52585' target='_blank'>here</a> and <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=52682' target='_blank'>here</a> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just to restate: Every idea posted here, and a few that havn't, including bite with spikes at long range and spumbra, have already been suggested in the constie forum. Multiple times. And have been discussed to death. Please, just wait and see what the devs decide to do. They know that a lot of people are going to be unhappy no matter what they do with the poor lerk. Lets see how they decide to handle it.
forloan right about one thing, spores and spikes (both) are great at making medspam highly expensive. If a com spams meds in one spot and the rine stands on it, hell pick up two packs per second by spores alone. A good lerk with a med spam crazy com can easily drain 80-100 res every 5 min( like i said retard medspam crazy com).
Hey Hendrickson, change your sig <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Duck Its good to throw it to the others also, We may be PTing it, but ideas that the const members, PTs, Devs, Vets might not think of may pop up from some random post in the general forum.
But What I think most of the PTs are leaning towards is a combo of some kind. Maybe the Melee range bite with long range spike. Maybe a Spumbra Maybe chang it around to a gorge something lerk something, something that will do something...
You just can tell what might be done in the crazy Const forum!So its good to talk with the community in whole not just devs,pts,vets,const
Majin: Yeah, the tone of my post was a bit too harsh. Sorry about that. I have no problem with letting everyone know what's going on in the latest build of playtesting, and people discussing it is fine.
But in the case of the lerk bite, it's obvious that no matter what they do to the poor lerk, some people will be very unhappy about it. So proposing your perfect lerk, and attacking everyone else's perfect lerk doesn't seem helpful to me. Mainly the part where someone defends their idea by trashing other people's ideas. I've read just about every possible way the lerk could be, and a lot of them sound like they could be good.
So this time, I'd like to more respectfully recommend that we all consider the number of pages the devs must read through to find our ideas, and just present each model once without attacking anyone elses lerk idea. Just my opinion.
<!--QuoteBegin--Quantum_Duck+Nov 5 2003, 04:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quantum_Duck @ Nov 5 2003, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just to restate: Every idea posted here, and a few that havn't, including bite with spikes at long range and spumbra, have already been suggested in the constie forum. Multiple times. And have been discussed to death. Please, just wait and see what the devs decide to do. They know that a lot of people are going to be unhappy no matter what they do with the poor lerk. Lets see how they decide to handle it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> why shouldn't we be allowed to voice our opinions regardless of whether it was talked about in a special members only forum or not?
don't shoot people down for what they have to say.
and the person that was talking about lerks being the only ranged support until hive 3 has a good point here.
sloe: As I just posted, I was too harsh the first time. I think everyone who has an idea that isn't already posted should post theirs. I just think the huge amount of redundant posting and attacking ideas is making it harder to sort through all the possible ways it could work. I didn't mean to imply that people who aren't in the constie forum are not entitled to opinions, although I see how it was taken that way. I'm sorry. All I was trying to say was that people need to realize that a major change like this is already going to be discussed extensively. I'm sure there are ideas the devs are thowing around that the consties don't know about, and that most of our forum is completely redundant from their perspective. The difference I see, is the lower number of posts discussing how bad someone else's idea is.
And for the record, I'm never going to post that late at night again. I'm a lot nicer in when I'm fully awake. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I can't even begin to tell you how awesome that idea is. Lerk babblers would be the coolest attack ever. I'm pretty sure you're the first person I've ever seen suggest that. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Soberana+Nov 3 2003, 07:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Nov 3 2003, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it should be...
Bite > Spike > Umbra > Primal Scream <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> For me its ok. It makes Lerk more balanced.
At the cost of team balance. Aliens lose their biggest area denial weapon.
Of course if you think that makes the lerk more balanced, then you're probably the type of player who charges into spore clouds then complains about the Lerk Spore tractor effect which causes all marines to charge into the cloud and stand stock still.
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So a 2-hive lockdown by marines <i>should</i> mean that the aliens are screwed? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it just means that if you are depending on a lerk to set you free then GL.
Lol!?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally I would like to combine Spike and Bite in one weapon, if you are within melee range its Bite. Else its Spikes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey dude, I already suggested this...
See, except in different context:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Spumbra" (what a retarded name) has to be the worst idea I've ever heard of.
Not only would it be rediculously overpowered, but you are effectivly making 2 attacks into one attack...
Why don't we make bite/spikes happen at the same time also?
While we are at it, lets go do stomp devour at the same time, as well as a xeno auto leap, a heal spit... etc.
It's just silly and obviously is a bad idea.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Funny how we can take such different view points, eh?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Spikes with regen turns you into a turret farm/phasegate killing machine gun. A patient lerk can easily free a locked-down hive if he can get a line of sight on the TF/PG. Without spikes it will become so much harder to reclaim territory. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is such a poor misuse of the lerk... he's designed to help aliens and hurt marines right now. He can't kill one marine building in under a minute. Tis sad indeed.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Spike and Bite<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you actually *tried* bite before? At the very least, it sure is a lot of fun.
great am i the only one Not HAPPY with lerk bite replacing spikes? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> it now makes ALL battle aliens hand to hand combat until hive 3, it seems nobody will be going lerk when marines get heavies and i thought lerks were suppsoed to give support from far away? and not be in the fight? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
great am i the only one Not HAPPY with lerk bite replacing spikes? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> it now makes ALL battle aliens hand to hand combat until hive 3, it seems nobody will be going lerk when marines get heavies and i thought lerks were suppsoed to give support from far away? and not be in the fight? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
See <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=52585' target='_blank'>here</a> and <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=52682' target='_blank'>here</a> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Its good to throw it to the others also, We may be PTing it, but ideas that the const members, PTs, Devs, Vets might not think of may pop up from some random post in the general forum.
But What I think most of the PTs are leaning towards is a combo of some kind.
Maybe the Melee range bite with long range spike.
Maybe a Spumbra
Maybe chang it around to a gorge something lerk something, something that will do something...
You just can tell what might be done in the crazy Const forum!So its good to talk with the community in whole not just devs,pts,vets,const
YES! I'M COMING BACK TO NS! HOLD ON BABY, I'M COMING HOME!
But in the case of the lerk bite, it's obvious that no matter what they do to the poor lerk, some people will be very unhappy about it. So proposing your perfect lerk, and attacking everyone else's perfect lerk doesn't seem helpful to me. Mainly the part where someone defends their idea by trashing other people's ideas. I've read just about every possible way the lerk could be, and a lot of them sound like they could be good.
So this time, I'd like to more respectfully recommend that we all consider the number of pages the devs must read through to find our ideas, and just present each model once without attacking anyone elses lerk idea. Just my opinion.
why shouldn't we be allowed to voice our opinions regardless of whether it was talked about in a special members only forum or not?
don't shoot people down for what they have to say.
and the person that was talking about lerks being the only ranged support until hive 3 has a good point here.
And for the record, I'm never going to post that late at night again. I'm a lot nicer in when I'm fully awake. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
BABBLERS FOR LERKS!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Bite > Spike > Umbra > Primal Scream <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
For me its ok. It makes Lerk more balanced.
Of course if you think that makes the lerk more balanced, then you're probably the type of player who charges into spore clouds then complains about the Lerk Spore tractor effect which causes all marines to charge into the cloud and stand stock still.