I do see alot of noobsaying in servers I play in, and not to mention in the server rules, "Learn to play somewhere else, this is a server for experience players only.". Now, I don't mind the part in the rules at all, but, what happens when every server out there has this in their rules..? Obviously that will probably never happen, but where are players to learn? Servers with other new players who are as clueless as they themselves? If we aren't nice to the new players and help them out, they won't want to play anymore, and then, less people will be playing ns, and less and less, then NOBODY!! AHH! Well, thats a little drastic, but as a community, shouldn't we WANT more players to come join the fun? E V E R Y O N E was a new player at one time, you may be smart enough to check faqs, read manuals, and do this and that, but not everyone knows to do that... there are a number of reasons, but the most obvious is they may be new to games in general. The new players everyone yells at and tells to gtfo of the server, may be your next favorite veteran/server regular. You don't have to be a jerk, if somebody has questions try to answer them, you don't have to type out long paragraphs on how to play, just be brief and answer them when you can, you aren't in combat at all times while youre playing.
I havent been playing much of NS lately, but when i was. I perty much played with fake nicks all over scandinavia. Anyhows, everytime i went comm there were ofcourse questions asked that if that guy can comm or not. But that usually isnt the case. About 95% of the time when i comm, i hardly get no dissapointed players cause i drop medpacks and ammo, and RT's to anywhere there is a marine. Hand out shotguns and what not when i see the good time for them. So in short, i click on those little icons on my screen and see if i can do something usefull for them. So they perty much realise that there isnt a nub comm in the works.
Anyhows, when i go as a foot soldier, i perty much let as any guy comm, aslong as they give medpacks/ammo out when asked. Theres nothing more annoying than to die to skulks or what ever only because you couldnt get that 1 medpack , ie die to 1 parasite, or 1 spit from a gorge.
uh well, guess that didnt relate to the topic that much..
Guess what im saying is, that for people who go to a server and whom is expecting to have a tight fight on their hand, and end up advicing the few beginners in the team, whom may even be comming or something other highly important. It can be very frustrating. Half of the time i join a server nowadays, i really dont care if my team cant match the opponent. But then again, thats mainly the reason why i havent been playing for awhile now.
Trust is something you earn, this is as it should be. Don't confuse this with people not helping or even worse, mouthing of at the newbies, that is a very bad thing indeed.
You know what's fun (I saw this in an "annoying things to do" thread.)?
Name yourself NSPIayer. Replacing the lowercase L with an uppercase I (So you don't get kicked from servers who ban the NSPlayer name)
Then go about, asking questions, but owning really hard.. taking marines/skulks down like they were nothing, etc.
It's fun as hell. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I can't do it because of the CM icon. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Delphi, its called the auth command, it turns off your icon when you join a team or go to the RR. Just do auth when you join and hit f4.. if you are lucky no one will even notice it was there. Unfortunatly I think auth has been removed in 3.0.. or at least it has in the betas. Flayra might put it back in the final release.. Probably just doesn't want no icon people running around the beta servers.
<!--QuoteBegin--PseudoKnight+Dec 2 2003, 08:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PseudoKnight @ Dec 2 2003, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Dec 2 2003, 10:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Dec 2 2003, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Ness-Earthbound+Dec 2 2003, 04:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Dec 2 2003, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can't expect people to be happy when a match they put alot of their own effort into is ruined by someone who refused to find out the basics of NS before jumping headfirst into a server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Or people who don't bother to read server rules in the console, which is probably why Pseudoknight's friend got slayed. Back in the 1.04 days CoFR had a rule that stated you must ask before gorging or be slain. It was plainly evident in the consgreet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So he missed the text. That happens ALL the time. It happens to ME all the time. He didn't deserve to be yelled at and then slayed TWICE after he went back to skulk. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Knight, I'm not trying to be a **** here, but if a person can't be bothered to read the rules for the server s/he is playing on, it is not the admin's problem. Perhaps there were two admins on at the time and they independantly decided to slay him and he changed back while they were typing the command. I have been playing on that server for a while and have never found the admins to be intolerant of newbies. n00bs on the other hand are summarily banned.
In short, if a server has a rule that says no fades, don't go fade or you will get crap from the admins. No matter how stupid the rule seems to you, it's not your place to ignore the rule, just play somewhere else. Not reading the rules is never an excuse.
Generally, people should just take "I don't care" medication. I do that. Most times I am impregnable from the attacks of slurring cussing hate mongers. I pity them for their screwed up, insecure teenangster minds and game on. If someone can work you all up by sayin "Your momma is a ****" on a game server, well you should ask yourself if you aren't taking yourself too serious.
I admin on a server with a no noob rule. If the server is full I usually enforce it. At some point when you have a popular server you have to enforce a rule like this so that the good players keep coming back. I've visited quite a few servers where noobs left a bad taste in my mouth and I wont go back. Now there is a difference between noobs and newbies. Some people make the distinction others don't, but I do. Newbies are new players and when they join the server as nsplayer and I ask them to change their name they do it. They may ask for help, they may die constantly but as long as they arent disruptive and they appear to be trying to help the team and listen to advice, then I have no problems with them, heck if they change their name before they join the server I probably wont even notice. Noobs on the other hand don't listen to anything you say, tend to go afk for long periods of time, or sit in a vent for 5 minutes. Instead of asking how to help or what they should do, they save for onos, or go lerk with no chambers. These people aren't welcome ignorance is no excuse for stupidity.
What I reccomend for new players is to create a game of ns and look around for a bit, maybe look around at the strategy forums or the new player forums. Maybe bring a friend along to an empty server or play on a lan. First time I picked up ns was on a lan with a friend. Tested out the different races figured out most of the game mechanics by ourselves. It gave us the basic knowledge to jump into a server and at least have a chance.
I think that the general idea to every server is to get the right people playing, and sometimes different admins have different ideas of who the 'right' people are. I know that some servers tend to change depending on which admin is on, with some admins who are fun-loving and enjoy joking around, where others enjoy a good hard war. The key is to know who likes what, and to be able to enjoy both. All I ask is for a fun game, and if a guy who hasn't played before, or hasn't played much shows up (I don't like the term newbie, honestly) I'll ask him to follow me around, and I'll basically show him the ropes...I'll wait for him to spawn, I'll ask him to wait for me, I just tie the guy to my hip and let him have a good time while he learns. I find that if I come back later, they tend to greet you, and overall end up being some of the cooler people on the server.
I hear more and more of these stories each day. Its Sad to see that so many servers are turning into a Newbie-Hate-Fest.
I'll brb with a nice little QUOTE!
[Edit] <span style='color:white'>Updated it to be more current!</span> Heya NS fans,
Lately, the forums (and Servers) have been getting a little, well, snooty. People have tended to reply a bit more condescendingly, or perhaps <span style='color:red'>treat new players with less respect then they are due</span>. There's also been a tendency to try and moderate threads by people who aren't mods. And there've been too many flamewars, by NS forum standards.
This needs to be stopped pronto.
A lot of effort has been spent in the NS community to keep it very friendly, social, and PG. We want our forums, channels, and servers to be a refuge from the majority of the online world where anarchy reigns, and admins are nowhere to be seen. We can only do this with YOUR help.
In the next few weeks, the countdown to NS 3.0 is going to begin. This means that the publicity campaign is going to swing into high gear. All those screenshots, movies, battlefield stories, and the rest are going to bring a lot of new faces into the NS community. <span style='color:red'>A lot of new faces that are not NS experts, who have not been playing since October 2002, have not been following the mod since July 2001. Basically, a lot of 'newbies'. </span>
<span style='color:white'>These players are what will keep NS alive!</span>
<span style='color:red'>They need to be welcomed, and treated with patience and respect</span>. Again - <span style='color:red'>patience and respect</span>. This means that when someone asks some silly question for the 20th time that day, and you have nothing good to say, then you have no reason to reply. First impressions are what counts in the online world, and if the first response someone gets to 'how do I evolve into an Onos?' is 'SUYF read the manual, n00b!' then that player is likely never to ask anything again. You and the NS team cannot afford for this to happen.
So, on behalf of the dev team, the mods, and the ops, I am asking you think before you post that flame. My moderators have also been told that we're tightening up, and they are going to enforce this new mindset with extreme force if necessary. This means you will get a thread lock and a PM if we find you getting out of hand. Then a temp ban. Then you will be gone forever. We don't want to ban anyone, but this is what it will take to maintain the peace and goodwill in here, we will.
That's all. Please make sure your friends and mates read this post (it will be stickied in a while). Ignorance will not be an excuse.
Thanks, and get ready for NS 3.0. It's going to be affecting your grades and work performance sooner than you think!
<!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Dec 3 2003, 09:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Dec 3 2003, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--PseudoKnight+Dec 2 2003, 08:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PseudoKnight @ Dec 2 2003, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Dec 2 2003, 10:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Dec 2 2003, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Ness-Earthbound+Dec 2 2003, 04:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Dec 2 2003, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can't expect people to be happy when a match they put alot of their own effort into is ruined by someone who refused to find out the basics of NS before jumping headfirst into a server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Or people who don't bother to read server rules in the console, which is probably why Pseudoknight's friend got slayed. Back in the 1.04 days CoFR had a rule that stated you must ask before gorging or be slain. It was plainly evident in the consgreet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So he missed the text. That happens ALL the time. It happens to ME all the time. He didn't deserve to be yelled at and then slayed TWICE after he went back to skulk. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Knight, I'm not trying to be a **** here, but if a person can't be bothered to read the rules for the server s/he is playing on, it is not the admin's problem. Perhaps there were two admins on at the time and they independantly decided to slay him and he changed back while they were typing the command. I have been playing on that server for a while and have never found the admins to be intolerant of newbies. n00bs on the other hand are summarily banned.
In short, if a server has a rule that says no fades, don't go fade or you will get crap from the admins. No matter how stupid the rule seems to you, it's not your place to ignore the rule, just play somewhere else. Not reading the rules is never an excuse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I know every admin on that server and they are all mature, reasonable people. I remember when this happened, and I couldn't get an admin name, a date, or any information relating to the slaying. I'm starting to have my doubts.
Nub bashing is a sport that will reak havoc on any FPS, or any game for that matter, and I think that NS lends itself to this because of its steep learing curve, however there is no excuse for being mean to Nubs, be angry with them, but not mean. If you complain that the NS community is shriking, then try being nice to nubs. Personally Ive never really had that much trouble with being called a noob, even when I personally think Im playing like crap. Also, I think that nub bashing isnt nearly as bad a problem as people who are ungreatful to Com's who are trying to do the right thing. Take the iniative (spelling) and help to com figure out what to do, if hes still having problems then vote kick him, and see if its everyone or just you.
If you want NS to survive, then be nice to your fellow NSrs they play NS because they like the game, and having other people who like the game drive them away is not cool.
<!--QuoteBegin--@gentOrange+Dec 2 2003, 01:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (@gentOrange @ Dec 2 2003, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I play on lunix and lunix only <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. I actually like most of the regulars there. They just can be intolerant at times and it's the one thing I have very little tolerance for <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. But like I said most of the people there are great...every now and again they just get a little crazy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Lunixmonster? good choice <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> lemme know when the intolerance is happening, i'll attempt to layest some smacketh down.
on a related note, if you are frustrated with a newbie comm or whatnot, just quit the server, much more polite than flaming them and ruining the atmosphere on the server. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
There's WAY too much hostility between 'good' and 'bad/new' players in NS, i really don'st see what motivates people to be such dumb***es to new people, in my personal experience, i read the manual before ns was released, the first server i joined was on ns_nancy, i didnt know much except what was inthe manual, and before i knew it, i knew just about everything there was to know about 1.04, the thing is, i changed my name BEFORE going into the game (everyone should ALWAYS use the customize button first, it helps alot, seriously), even though i acted like your typical NSPlayer then, noone acted like your typical "elite" knifer d00d to me then, because i actually changed my name, in under 5 mins i noticed people jping 3x faster than me and i asked, so someone instantly replied 'n00b, its 100fps' so i just kinda ignored it and kept playing, then finally when i got my cpu upgraded from a p2 400 to an amd 2400+ i noticed a HUGE difference in jping and i understood what that meant, not to mention my bro was instantly called a hacker for killing a guy with a level2 lmg after the upgrades, but thats another story. the thing is though, changing your name BEFORE you join a game will make 50% of the people nicer towards you, and 50% meaner towards you, those 50% that get nicer were the good players that knew what they were doing, and the 50% meaner being the "elite" knife d00ds, but really, how else will they learn but to play and have people tell them whats what? i've seen alot of comms lose games in about 5 mins cause they dont know what they're doing, and the only thing i see in team-chat is 'n00b comm, eject him' and then someone saying the entire team sucks in chat to all, but the thing is, noone cared to tell him what to do or how to do it, so he just had to play around with everything, which for some people, takes a VERY long time.
seriously though, <span style='color:red'>STOP THE NUB BASHING EVERYONE TRY TO HELP THEM A LITTLE BIT</span>
aonomusDedicated NS Mastermind (no need for school)Join Date: 2003-11-26Member: 23605Members, Constellation
The next time I see this newb-bash-fest I'll give warnings before doing the slayings, if you don't want to be slayed for **** off an admin cause you broke the rules, goto a server that doesn't care.
I used to just slay because people were insulting the NSPlayers despite some of them were really bad players, I've seen people go afk for res then come back and instantly go onos, I want to slay but I can't..... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
aonomusDedicated NS Mastermind (no need for school)Join Date: 2003-11-26Member: 23605Members, Constellation
Wow real tight swear filters, sorry for saying the p word <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Keyser59+Dec 3 2003, 08:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Keyser59 @ Dec 3 2003, 08:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Dec 3 2003, 09:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Dec 3 2003, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--PseudoKnight+Dec 2 2003, 08:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PseudoKnight @ Dec 2 2003, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Dec 2 2003, 10:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Dec 2 2003, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Ness-Earthbound+Dec 2 2003, 04:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Dec 2 2003, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can't expect people to be happy when a match they put alot of their own effort into is ruined by someone who refused to find out the basics of NS before jumping headfirst into a server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Or people who don't bother to read server rules in the console, which is probably why Pseudoknight's friend got slayed. Back in the 1.04 days CoFR had a rule that stated you must ask before gorging or be slain. It was plainly evident in the consgreet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So he missed the text. That happens ALL the time. It happens to ME all the time. He didn't deserve to be yelled at and then slayed TWICE after he went back to skulk. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Knight, I'm not trying to be a **** here, but if a person can't be bothered to read the rules for the server s/he is playing on, it is not the admin's problem. Perhaps there were two admins on at the time and they independantly decided to slay him and he changed back while they were typing the command. I have been playing on that server for a while and have never found the admins to be intolerant of newbies. n00bs on the other hand are summarily banned.
In short, if a server has a rule that says no fades, don't go fade or you will get crap from the admins. No matter how stupid the rule seems to you, it's not your place to ignore the rule, just play somewhere else. Not reading the rules is never an excuse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I know every admin on that server and they are all mature, reasonable people. I remember when this happened, and I couldn't get an admin name, a date, or any information relating to the slaying. I'm starting to have my doubts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You guys simply don't understand. This is a perfect example of intolerance. I could try and excuse him of missing the rules because he was a new player and they can't expect them to understand and remember the rules. But I believe that's beside the point. He was also helping team. There were two hives and he was securing a crucial area to the map. He was yelled at by the other players so he went back to skulk. He was then slayed. (which is very visible on screen for the admin) Soon as he spawned at least 15 seconds later, he was slayed AGAIN. I'm not sure how you could begin to defend this abuse of a new player.
And Keyser, I checked the details with him over and over to get the story straight because I was surprised as well. This happened. I still think COFR is a great server and go there often but intolerance runs in even the best of servers.
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Anyhows, when i go as a foot soldier, i perty much let as any guy comm, aslong as they give medpacks/ammo out when asked. Theres nothing more annoying than to die to skulks or what ever only because you couldnt get that 1 medpack , ie die to 1 parasite, or 1 spit from a gorge.
uh well, guess that didnt relate to the topic that much..
Guess what im saying is, that for people who go to a server and whom is expecting to have a tight fight on their hand, and end up advicing the few beginners in the team, whom may even be comming or something other highly important. It can be very frustrating. Half of the time i join a server nowadays, i really dont care if my team cant match the opponent. But then again, thats mainly the reason why i havent been playing for awhile now.
Name yourself NSPIayer. Replacing the lowercase L with an uppercase I (So you don't get kicked from servers who ban the NSPlayer name)
Then go about, asking questions, but owning really hard.. taking marines/skulks down like they were nothing, etc.
It's fun as hell. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I can't do it because of the CM icon. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just do auth when you join and hit f4.. if you are lucky no one will even notice it was there.
Unfortunatly I think auth has been removed in 3.0.. or at least it has in the betas. Flayra might put it back in the final release.. Probably just doesn't want no icon people running around the beta servers.
Or people who don't bother to read server rules in the console, which is probably why Pseudoknight's friend got slayed. Back in the 1.04 days CoFR had a rule that stated you must ask before gorging or be slain. It was plainly evident in the consgreet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So he missed the text. That happens ALL the time. It happens to ME all the time. He didn't deserve to be yelled at and then slayed TWICE after he went back to skulk. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Knight, I'm not trying to be a **** here, but if a person can't be bothered to read the rules for the server s/he is playing on, it is not the admin's problem. Perhaps there were two admins on at the time and they independantly decided to slay him and he changed back while they were typing the command. I have been playing on that server for a while and have never found the admins to be intolerant of newbies. n00bs on the other hand are summarily banned.
In short, if a server has a rule that says no fades, don't go fade or you will get crap from the admins. No matter how stupid the rule seems to you, it's not your place to ignore the rule, just play somewhere else. Not reading the rules is never an excuse.
What I reccomend for new players is to create a game of ns and look around for a bit, maybe look around at the strategy forums or the new player forums. Maybe bring a friend along to an empty server or play on a lan. First time I picked up ns was on a lan with a friend. Tested out the different races figured out most of the game mechanics by ourselves. It gave us the basic knowledge to jump into a server and at least have a chance.
Its Sad to see that so many servers are turning into a Newbie-Hate-Fest.
I'll brb with a nice little QUOTE!
[Edit] <span style='color:white'>Updated it to be more current!</span>
Heya NS fans,
Lately, the forums (and Servers) have been getting a little, well, snooty. People have tended to reply a bit more condescendingly, or perhaps <span style='color:red'>treat new players with less respect then they are due</span>. There's also been a tendency to try and moderate threads by people who aren't mods. And there've been too many flamewars, by NS forum standards.
This needs to be stopped pronto.
A lot of effort has been spent in the NS community to keep it very friendly, social, and PG. We want our forums, channels, and servers to be a refuge from the majority of the online world where anarchy reigns, and admins are nowhere to be seen. We can only do this with YOUR help.
In the next few weeks, the countdown to NS 3.0 is going to begin. This means that the publicity campaign is going to swing into high gear. All those screenshots, movies, battlefield stories, and the rest are going to bring a lot of new faces into the NS community. <span style='color:red'>A lot of new faces that are not NS experts, who have not been playing since October 2002, have not been following the mod since July 2001. Basically, a lot of 'newbies'. </span>
<span style='color:white'>These players are what will keep NS alive!</span>
<span style='color:red'>They need to be welcomed, and treated with patience and respect</span>. Again - <span style='color:red'>patience and respect</span>. This means that when someone asks some silly question for the 20th time that day, and you have nothing good to say, then you have no reason to reply. First impressions are what counts in the online world, and if the first response someone gets to 'how do I evolve into an Onos?' is 'SUYF read the manual, n00b!' then that player is likely never to ask anything again. You and the NS team cannot afford for this to happen.
So, on behalf of the dev team, the mods, and the ops, I am asking you think before you post that flame. My moderators have also been told that we're tightening up, and they are going to enforce this new mindset with extreme force if necessary. This means you will get a thread lock and a PM if we find you getting out of hand. Then a temp ban. Then you will be gone forever. We don't want to ban anyone, but this is what it will take to maintain the peace and goodwill in here, we will.
That's all. Please make sure your friends and mates read this post (it will be stickied in a while). Ignorance will not be an excuse.
Thanks, and get ready for NS 3.0. It's going to be affecting your grades and work performance sooner than you think!
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Or people who don't bother to read server rules in the console, which is probably why Pseudoknight's friend got slayed. Back in the 1.04 days CoFR had a rule that stated you must ask before gorging or be slain. It was plainly evident in the consgreet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So he missed the text. That happens ALL the time. It happens to ME all the time. He didn't deserve to be yelled at and then slayed TWICE after he went back to skulk. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Knight, I'm not trying to be a **** here, but if a person can't be bothered to read the rules for the server s/he is playing on, it is not the admin's problem. Perhaps there were two admins on at the time and they independantly decided to slay him and he changed back while they were typing the command. I have been playing on that server for a while and have never found the admins to be intolerant of newbies. n00bs on the other hand are summarily banned.
In short, if a server has a rule that says no fades, don't go fade or you will get crap from the admins. No matter how stupid the rule seems to you, it's not your place to ignore the rule, just play somewhere else. Not reading the rules is never an excuse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know every admin on that server and they are all mature, reasonable people. I remember when this happened, and I couldn't get an admin name, a date, or any information relating to the slaying. I'm starting to have my doubts.
Personally Ive never really had that much trouble with being called a noob, even when I personally think Im playing like crap. Also, I think that nub bashing isnt nearly as bad a problem as people who are ungreatful to Com's who are trying to do the right thing. Take the iniative (spelling) and help to com figure out what to do, if hes still having problems then vote kick him, and see if its everyone or just you.
If you want NS to survive, then be nice to your fellow NSrs they play NS because they like the game, and having other people who like the game drive them away is not cool.
anyways, im always the one who helps newbies get around, i have helped about 10 in total who had no clue what to do, until the newb-bashers came in
Lunixmonster? good choice <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> lemme know when the intolerance is happening, i'll attempt to layest some smacketh down.
on a related note, if you are frustrated with a newbie comm or whatnot, just quit the server, much more polite than flaming them and ruining the atmosphere on the server. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
i've seen alot of comms lose games in about 5 mins cause they dont know what they're doing, and the only thing i see in team-chat is 'n00b comm, eject him' and then someone saying the entire team sucks in chat to all, but the thing is, noone cared to tell him what to do or how to do it, so he just had to play around with everything, which for some people, takes a VERY long time.
seriously though, <span style='color:red'>STOP THE NUB BASHING EVERYONE TRY TO HELP THEM A LITTLE BIT</span>
I used to just slay because people were insulting the NSPlayers despite some of them were really bad players, I've seen people go afk for res then come back and instantly go onos, I want to slay but I can't..... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Or people who don't bother to read server rules in the console, which is probably why Pseudoknight's friend got slayed. Back in the 1.04 days CoFR had a rule that stated you must ask before gorging or be slain. It was plainly evident in the consgreet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So he missed the text. That happens ALL the time. It happens to ME all the time. He didn't deserve to be yelled at and then slayed TWICE after he went back to skulk. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Knight, I'm not trying to be a **** here, but if a person can't be bothered to read the rules for the server s/he is playing on, it is not the admin's problem. Perhaps there were two admins on at the time and they independantly decided to slay him and he changed back while they were typing the command. I have been playing on that server for a while and have never found the admins to be intolerant of newbies. n00bs on the other hand are summarily banned.
In short, if a server has a rule that says no fades, don't go fade or you will get crap from the admins. No matter how stupid the rule seems to you, it's not your place to ignore the rule, just play somewhere else. Not reading the rules is never an excuse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know every admin on that server and they are all mature, reasonable people. I remember when this happened, and I couldn't get an admin name, a date, or any information relating to the slaying. I'm starting to have my doubts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You guys simply don't understand. This is a perfect example of intolerance. I could try and excuse him of missing the rules because he was a new player and they can't expect them to understand and remember the rules. But I believe that's beside the point. He was also helping team. There were two hives and he was securing a crucial area to the map. He was yelled at by the other players so he went back to skulk. He was then slayed. (which is very visible on screen for the admin) Soon as he spawned at least 15 seconds later, he was slayed AGAIN. I'm not sure how you could begin to defend this abuse of a new player.
And Keyser, I checked the details with him over and over to get the story straight because I was surprised as well. This happened. I still think COFR is a great server and go there often but intolerance runs in even the best of servers.