Uncalled For Attitude...

olisisolisis Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12944Members
<div class="IPBDescription">... on almost all ns servers</div> I was just on a server like 5 or so minutes ago and guess what, round starts, somebody puts up sensory, everyone complains.
The person who put up the sensory should of asked what people wanted beforehand, I agree with that, but what I DON'T agree with is HOW people are reacting to this. This is why I made this topic and I want this behavior to stop.

An admin on the server banned the guy for doing this, not only that, he swore to keep his IP and ban him on every server he and his friends have and to tell any admin it if he sees him playing on another server. A little much, don't you think.

I am dead tired of seeing this over-reaction everytime someone puts down a sensory. I understand the whining and so forth isn't going to stop, but banning is a little extreme.

Is putting a sensory down first really such a crime? Must the game be so regiment every time we play?
Everyone say one word together... Diversity.

I have come to enjoy the games that put sensory down first more and more because it makes the game different each and every time.

I refuse to believe people can be so closed-minded as to not try and ADAPT to new variables. I mean after all, isn't that one of the fun parts about being the Aliens, adapting and evolving? Natural Selection? The theory if not the game.

And yes I know sensories will rock in 3.0, but till then, enough of the overall sensory hating. Where has the love gone? The love?
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  • Ashaman_JoeAshaman_Joe Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22559Members, Constellation
    What is this love you speak of?

    On topic, the reason people get so annoyed is that it <i>can</i> ruin their game. Yes, they could find a new server. Yes, they could live with it. But its <i>their</i> server, and when they are on their server, they do what they want to have fun.

    (But trying to get him banned on other servers is crazy.)
  • olisisolisis Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12944Members
    edited December 2003
    Ya, It was really the banning on other servers that got me mad enough to do this topic in the first place
  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited December 2003
    Dropping a chamber that no one else on the team wants can ruin everyone's game but yours. It's extremely selfish and I don't see any problem with people being banned for it. Maybe next time they'll <i>ask</i> the team. As for the admin talking about all the other servers, sure it's excessive, but that's why you just have to find a server that has decent admins on it and regular there. Admins can make or break an NS server.
  • MrPinkMrPink Join Date: 2002-05-28 Member: 678Members
    I don't get it, you are saying people should not be punished for disobeying their team, and essentially losing the game for them?
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    i hate when most of the team wants it and then one person doesnt want it and the guy spams on the mic the entire game like OMG!!! why did you put sensory!!
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I think the reason that so many people hate Sensory first is that it requires people to use their heads and be patient. Most people on pubs don't want that - they want to kill stuff better. Which DCs allow without the slightest bit of additional thinking. Use your head, and SCs can OWN marines. Still, SCs could use some work. I have some thoughts <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=55444' target='_blank'>here</a> that could make 'SC first' folks less of outcasts.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dragon_Mech+Dec 3 2003, 11:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dragon_Mech @ Dec 3 2003, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think the reason that so many people hate Sensory first is that it requires people to use their heads and be patient. Most people on pubs don't want that - they want to kill stuff better. Which DCs allow without the slightest bit of additional thinking. Use your head, and SCs can OWN marines. Still, SCs could use some work. I have some thoughts <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=55444' target='_blank'>here</a> that could make 'SC first' folks less of outcasts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh my god the sensory fanatics never die....


    SENSORY CHAMBERS ARE WEAK RIGHT NOW, AND THEREFORE THEY SUCK!! GOOD MARINES WILL RAPE YOU EVERY TIME!

    Enough of this "sensory's are viable" bullcrap, the fact is a no chamber gorge rush strat is viable like sensory chambers, however, I DO NOT RECOMEND IT TO EVERYONE!


    Remember kids, picking a sensory chamber will cause you to lose 9 out of 10 games against good marines! So, don't do it, unless you feel lucky!
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited December 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Dec 3 2003, 10:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Dec 3 2003, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh my god the sensory fanatics never die....


    SENSORY CHAMBERS ARE WEAK RIGHT NOW, AND THEREFORE THEY SUCK!!  GOOD MARINES WILL RAPE YOU EVERY TIME!

    Enough of this "sensory's are viable" bullcrap, the fact is a no chamber gorge rush strat is viable like sensory chambers, however, I DO NOT RECOMEND IT TO EVERYONE!


    Remember kids, picking a sensory chamber will cause you to lose 9 out of 10 games against good marines!  So, don't do it, unless you feel lucky! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which is why I made my suggestion in the I&S forum to de-nerf SCs. And once 3.0 comes out, with Focus, SCs will become more viable.


    <span style='color:white'>Not every post put forth in a harsher tone is a flame. Don't try to use the report function as a threat.</span>
  • Ashaman_JoeAshaman_Joe Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22559Members, Constellation
    'Good marines' would do that to a poor little skulk? How rude. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Keep in mind that not all of us are clanners. Some of us enjoy pub games. In pub games Sense <i>can be fun</i> and <i>can win the game for you</i>.
  • intrikintrik Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21451Members
    edited December 2003
    <span style='color:white'>You are one more such post away from a suspension. Sorry.</span>
  • S_BadguyS_Badguy Join Date: 2003-12-03 Member: 23925Members
    OOH OOHhhh... maybe a democratic decision at the beginning of the round (before the game starts) to predetermine what chamber goes first second third

    maybe we could all just get along and love one another....

    free love and peace!!
  • Ashaman_JoeAshaman_Joe Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22559Members, Constellation
    Internet != love and peace.
  • xl-cowxl-cow Join Date: 2003-09-24 Member: 21163Members
    I support sensory being removed because no one can argue correctly about its benefits or disadvantages civilly or logically.

    How's that sound?

    The "good marine" clause is a weak statement against sensory.


    Anyhow, I agree that a person is allowed to admin their server with the set of rules they decide. I do not promote blacklisting except in the cases of:

    cheating
    continuous and earnest abuse (cc spam and likewise)
    harassment

    Banning someone for a valid strategy included in the game (otherwise sensories would be locked before second hive), is unnecessary. A kick would suffice, or a verbal warning. There are round reset options.

    I think the stigma against sensory and people who advocate it, does have logical merits. But that doesn't justify arguing and hard feelings.
  • WinterWinter Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20042Members
    Here's my only argument to this topic:

    Everyone ALWAYS says that a gorge should ASK the team whawt THEY want. If he doesn't, he's flamed / banned.



    What about the Marine aspect?

    In a situation where res is scarce and only one push for the Hive is possible, if the commander researches, say, JP instead of HA, but half the team wanted HA instead, no one will complain (too much anyhow) and there would be no banning, that's because he's the high and mighty commander and he determines if the game is won or lost.

    Why does no one look at the gorge that way? One gorge can mean the difference between a Kharaa win and a Frontiersman win. One gorge. An OC here, a DC there to heal that Fade. The Gorge is the Commander of the Kharaa imho. He should be able to determine how the round is played out if he is willing to sacrifice his res for the team, he should have the say.







    <span style='font-size:27pt;line-height:100%'>NOTE:</span>

    This might not necessarily be my POV on this matter, but it is an argument that should be viewed.
  • intrikintrik Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21451Members
    edited December 2003
    <span style='color:white'>Well, here we go.</span>
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    If the team says "no" to SC, then the gorge shouldn't drop SC. If the gorge doesn't ask, his teammates have a right to complain but should adapt to the strat. I don't think he should have been banned unless he does this more than once after it is explained to him that it's bad to not ask. But in this case it wasn't my call and I wasn't there to gauge whether it was deserved or not.
  • SiniStar1SiniStar1 Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22608Members
    edited December 2003
    Agreed.

    Think methodically for a minute people, if you were a skulk (yes, use your imagination), with the amount of hitpoints you have, and the range a marine can shoot from, wouldnt you want to make yourself as discrete as possible, and choose the safest path to the marine? As opposed to charging in like i see so many rambos do and get gunned down every time. True ramboing worked in 1.04 when you had carapace, not now though, tactics have changed, the new cloaking is much more effective and one or two skulks cloaked in a corridor can succesfully take down a small squad of marines.

    Would you rather be invisible or a little bit stronger ?
    Invisible plz

    One thing i noticed with better players is, they rarely use cloaking as they can take down a marine one on one, sensory is hardly ever used in wars due to this, however when i play in pub games i ALWAYS see people walking with sensory, it works for so many newbies and definately gets me cut. So referring to intriks post, i would say sensory <span style='color:orange'>*edited*</span> me more than anything else in NS, and this is a good thing, makes me try harder and be more vigilant.

    Kthnxjustmy2cents.
  • Norml_E_HighNorml_E_High Join Date: 2003-03-30 Member: 15055Members
    Hey, the at least the guy asked his team. However, the way you described the situation seems to me like nobody objected or agreed with the chamber. In which case, the person who dropped the chamber WAS at fault for going ahead and dropping it. IF nobody says anything when you ask about the chamber, that DOES NOT mean it's ok to just go ahead and drop whatever you want. What I usually do, is ask "What chamber do we want guys?". Usually we'll get a "D's", If nobody else says anything, I'll say "So anyone object to D chambers first?" If nobody says anything then, then I'll go ahead and drop D chambers. If you give people plenty of time to speak their mind on the choice of chambers, and they don't say anything, then its their own fault if they don't agree. Don't just ask once, somebody may have missed it, or whatever. Usually this isn't a problem if you ask over voice comm, but many people don't have mics, or are scared they will sound lame or something, and don't use it. Quite frankly I'm sick and tired of people who don't read the chat because they use voice comm. It's being just plain lazy. I had some nubcake blame me because we lost cargo on tanith, with the reason "We lost cargo because some idiot doesn't have a mic." I plainly YELLED over the chat "PHASEGATE IN CARGO! GET TO CARGO!" numerous times. Not to mention the structures under attack on the hivesight. But, thats a completely different matter. In short, don't just ask once what chamber everyone wants, make sure everyone knows that the chamber is going to get dropped, and make sure nobody objects.
  • intrikintrik Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21451Members
    omg what is wrong with you people why is it a "fault" to use something in a game? omg he picked up a rialgun. god damn, ban that person.. would you all stop being so stupid
  • SiniStar1SiniStar1 Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22608Members
    OMGOSH HES USING THE AWP! BAN HIS HIDE! HOW DARE HE ONE-SHOT-KILL US!
    OMGOSH HE DROPPED A SENSORY CHAMBER, EXECUTE THE NEWBIE.....

    starting to look a little familiar



    get over it people
    play the game like everyone else and stop annoying us with your worthless bitching, we dont want to read it.
  • intrikintrik Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21451Members
    lol. OH NOES HE GOT REDEMPTION as onos. ban him. rotfl. you noobs, get a clue
  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    If people were nice and asked, which I KNOW doesn't take much, even without voicecomm, then this topic would not exist. That is what makes me mad, that it gets bad enough for things like THAT to happen.
  • intrikintrik Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21451Members
    yeah dude... it'd be like

    "ahh guys i got the bomb you want me to plant it"
    "OMG no you noob dont plant the bomb thats ****"

    KICKBAN!!
  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--intrik+Dec 4 2003, 12:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (intrik @ Dec 4 2003, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lol. OH NOES HE GOT REDEMPTION as onos. ban him. rotfl. you noobs, get a clue <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I get the feeling this doesn't help in this case.
  • Norml_E_HighNorml_E_High Join Date: 2003-03-30 Member: 15055Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--intrik+Dec 4 2003, 12:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (intrik @ Dec 4 2003, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> omg what is wrong with you people why is it a "fault" to use something in a game? omg he picked up a rialgun. god damn, ban that person.. would you all stop being so stupid <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why is it a fault? Because what that person did affects EVERYONE on his/her team. Picking up a railgun doesn't mean that everyone on their team has to use that railgun. Theres A HUGE difference, if this person dropped a SC and only he/she had to use that SC there would be no problem.
  • intrikintrik Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21451Members
    if you have a problem with sc, leave the server. better yet stop playing ns. It's the tards like you who make ns **** up sometimes.
  • WinterWinter Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20042Members
    Jesus H. Christ did no one read MY post?

    What the hell is the difference between a gorge and a commander? Both control which structures go down, both can mean the life or death of any given player.

    I haven't read one person say ANYTHING about getting upset when comm researches JP instead of HA or viceversa "OMG JP!? EJECT / BAN!"


    Of course that never happens. He's the almighty comm. So is a gorge.
  • Norml_E_HighNorml_E_High Join Date: 2003-03-30 Member: 15055Members
    edited December 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--intrik+Dec 4 2003, 01:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (intrik @ Dec 4 2003, 01:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if you have a problem with sc, leave the server. better yet stop playing ns. It's the tards like you who make ns **** up sometimes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude, you are seriously that stupid aren't you? This thread is NOT about sensory sucking, or being the best chamber. It's about what your team wants. I happen to like sensory chambers for your information, but if 90% of my team says they DON'T WANT THAT CHAMBER, I'm not going to go gorge and drop it, because I think the rest of the team is stupid for not liking it. This game isn't about what you yourself wants, this is a T E A M game, and if my team doesn't want to start with that chamber, then I have to agree with them. This game is NOT about winning. This game is about having fun whether you win or lose. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> Tards like me who make ns messed up? I think you might want to take a look at that statement, every reply you've made in this thread, and reread the threadstarters first post, before you make yourself look like any more of a fool.

    Everwinter, gorges are NOT like the commander in 2.0.
  • intrikintrik Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21451Members
    lol, dude. i wasnt debating the fact that the team might not have wanted sc. but you do realize that the reason why the probably didnt want sc is because they cant play with it. yeah? and dont tell me that dc is better in a pub game, mass rape goes on no matter what chamber you get.

    THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE WANT DC IS SO THEY CAN GET 4 MINUTE FADE / 8 MINUTE ONOS.
  • WinterWinter Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20042Members
    8 minute onos?

    I like the 6.5 minute onos.



    Back on topic.


    Dude, explain to me the ways a gorge isn't the "comm" and i'll give you ways he is:

    1. First, to start with teh obvious, both are the only ones who can drop structures.

    2. Both determine whether the team lives or not (i.e., healing, D chambers, etc.)

    3. Neither can rush into a room to help save an RT (well a gorge will probably get slaughtered if he does) yet he can direct the rest of his team to that locale.

    4. Only as much fortification goes up as a comm / gorge desires. If one OC / Turret is all he wants, that's all that goes there, provided he doesn't get ejected / another gorge comes along.

    There are more that I could think of, but I don't want to take the time, but I do want to hear your ways in which he is NOT a "comm".
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