<!--QuoteBegin-[NSA]SIL3NT-DE4TH+Feb 26 2004, 10:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([NSA]SIL3NT-DE4TH @ Feb 26 2004, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> some interesting facts about the movie:
The actor who played Jesus Christ his initials are J.C
On the set he got struck by lightning twice and survived.
He is also 33.
6months before shooting the film, a random man walked up to him on the street and said he would be playing the role of Jesus soon.
Scared yet? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If it's true then it's just coincidence. I saw an article about September the 11th and all the conspiracy around it. The only part I can remember is the 911 part, the American 999.
Other than that, just the fact that he died incorrectly... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OMG!!!! HE DIES??? Pshh...spoilers.
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Feb 26 2004, 06:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Feb 26 2004, 06:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm also pretty sure Jesus was Jewish (although lots of Christians dispute it, and like to think he had no religion, because...of a couple reasons). Jesus wasn't Chrisitan...if for some reason someone thinks that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How can he be Christian? That would mean he worships himself as a Messiah. If you need to know, Christianism has been created in the belief of Jesus being the Messiah after he has resurrected, while Jews don't believe it. Jesus was Jewish and he wasstheir Messiah as it was prophetised. The difference stands that after his death, Christianism was born with the belief that Jesus was that Messiah, and Jews didn't believe so and still await their Messiah (just as before) I don't think Christians deny the fact Jesus was Jewish.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
It's not out here so I havent seen it beside the trailers and few scenes but it looks to be very scematic (sp?) <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Need to see this movie soon. Probably will. Study in a catholic school (even though I'm an athiest). The religions department is trying to get permission to see it with most of the school. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Feb 26 2004, 12:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Feb 26 2004, 12:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Feb 26 2004, 06:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Feb 26 2004, 06:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm also pretty sure Jesus was Jewish (although lots of Christians dispute it, and like to think he had no religion, because...of a couple reasons). Jesus wasn't Chrisitan...if for some reason someone thinks that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How can he be Christian? That would mean he worships himself as a Messiah. If you need to know, Christianism has been created in the belief of Jesus being the Messiah after he has resurrected, while Jews don't believe it. Jesus was Jewish and he wasstheir Messiah as it was prophetised. The difference stands that after his death, Christianism was born with the belief that Jesus was that Messiah, and Jews didn't believe so and still await their Messiah (just as before) I don't think Christians deny the fact Jesus was Jewish.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm atheist <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, aside from you focusing on exactly what I said in some wrong context (because I specifically said Jesus can't be Christian...).
Essentially that's right: the Jewish faith is still awaiting their messiah, whom Jesus proclaimed to be, but many Jews didn't believe him. Christianity spawns from the believe he was the messiah (...I have no idea why it became a trinity with the holy ghost...but whatever - despite the fact I think that's dumb, doesn't meant it doesn't exist).
Some people don't like to admit Jesus was jewish, because they like to blame the jews for killing him (...which in effect is demonizing your own savior...I don't get it either).
...and last I checked it was Christianity, not Christianism. That's like saying Jewism or Islamism (or pick another religion). Although, that's not really important.
[side note and O/T] Atheism (atheist) means you believe in a higher power, as in, you're the opposite of theism, or the believe in a theist (aha, atheist, a theist......it's funny, be quiet) God (all powerful, all knowing, all good, still existant God). Agnostic means you choose not to believe in a higher power, in any sense.
well the spoilers to this movie have been 2000 years old so if your stupid and dont know anything about christ (even jews/muslims and crap) know him. they know the story unless your very very young (baby ish style)
so i dont expect spoilers here so dont post incorrectly
<!--QuoteBegin-TeKniKaL+Feb 25 2004, 10:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TeKniKaL @ Feb 25 2004, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Didn't Christ died because a Roman Soldier stabbed him with a spear? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's supposedly what they do to every person who is crucified. Correct me if im wrong.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly. The idea of crucifixion is that you hang there and bleed to death. I'm surprised to see that other people know about the nails in the wrist thing. It's so unbelievably innacurate, and yet you see pictures of Christ with nails through the palms of his hands all the time. It's good to know there's at least one other person out there who realizes that the nail would tear through if it were through the palm of your hand. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go find something to do that involves happy jumping puppies to be hugged. All this talk of crucifixion is making me sick.
Although I'm firmly Agnostic, I'm pretty interested in the lore/mythos/whatever you want to call it of the big religions, I've read the Bible and the Qu'ran a little bit just to see what they're like and found 'em both good reads. Some parts of the Qu'ran are especially quotable, but meh, that's OT.
That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing this movie, because to be honest I've never really been exposed that much to the New Testament. I don't even really know WTH happened.
While I don't doubt that all of this ever happened, the only reason I'm going to see it is for the pure story of it. I do doubt the "holiness" of all that did happen, but think about it this way. If this were a story about a normal guy being crucified after helping a bunch of people, wouldn't it be just as compelling?
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Feb 26 2004, 10:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Feb 26 2004, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...and last I checked it was Christianity, not Christianism. That's like saying Jewism or Islamism (or pick another religion). Although, that's not really important. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sorry, I know some people might be picky about this (as -ism sometimes denotes a negative side) but I thought it was christianism because that's how it's said in french <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[side note and O/T] Atheism (atheist) means you believe in a higher power, as in, you're the opposite of theism, or the believe in a theist (aha, atheist, a theist......it's funny, be quiet) God (all powerful, all knowing, all good, still existant God). Agnostic means you choose not to believe in a higher power, in any sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk) n.
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
a·the·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-st) n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
you got the defintions flipped around, anyway back to Jesus talk.
<!--QuoteBegin-dr.d+Feb 26 2004, 04:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Feb 26 2004, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[side note and O/T] Atheism (atheist) means you believe in a higher power, as in, you're the opposite of theism, or the believe in a theist (aha, atheist, a theist......it's funny, be quiet) God (all powerful, all knowing, all good, still existant God). Agnostic means you choose not to believe in a higher power, in any sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk) n.
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
a·the·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-st) n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
you got the defintions flipped around, anyway back to Jesus talk. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not sure what dictionary you're using (probably dictionary.com), and it's prefectly legitimate in everyday use, as they're basically the same meaning, as you don't believe in a conventional religion, however, my Websters has them as:
ag-nos-tic - one who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable.
a-the-ist-(ic) - one who does not take an orthodox religious posistion (antonym theist); shared meaning INFIDEL, AGNOSTIC, DEIST, FREETHINKER, UNBELIEVER.
Although, honestly, my first definition was based on a theist God and the opposite of it...however, apparently they're completely interchangeable in normal use.
I have to say I'd rather see the Lord of the Rings than this...but maybe I'll rent it later. It does have that interesting quality going for it...except it'll probably get all the radical middle-easterns mad at the US (even more). All the churches and churchey people will want to make their family see it too.
I remember during communion we were forced to see...Prince of Egypt (or something...the cartoon). Bah, waste of money right there - give me the Charlton Heston.
I really don't see how agnostic and atheist have interchangable definitions, since most atheists are feverent about their disbelieve in any god they will probably be offended about being called agnostic.
By the way doesn't Websters have a defintion for "bling bling".
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->agnostic n.
1. 1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. 2. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism. 2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
First off:
Jesus did NOT die from a heart attack. He died of suffocation, known fact among Bible scholars, no debate.
Secondly:
Inf, Longinus was not the one to stab him. Caias Kheil did.
Third: Jesus WAS JEWISH. NO DEBATE. He was a jew. A semite. He worshipped God, but knew he was the son of God, and not superior to him. He is now, but he is NOT a no-religion.
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Feb 26 2004, 04:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Feb 26 2004, 04:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I remember during communion we were forced to see...Prince of Egypt (or something...the cartoon). Bah, waste of money right there - give me the Charlton Heston. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Let my people go you damn dirty apes!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> :D
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Feb 26 2004, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Feb 26 2004, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Inf, Longinus was not the one to stab him. Caias Kheil did.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah - longinus was all like:
<!--QuoteBegin-longinus+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (longinus)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Here's my spear mate. Stab him and lets run, before we get smote<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And the Caius was all like: <!--QuoteBegin-Caius+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caius)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sure thing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And then the spear (not usually one to be outspoken) was all like: <!--QuoteBegin-spear+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (spear)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->*stab*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And then ever-placid jesus replied: <!--QuoteBegin-Jesus+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jesus)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahhh I crack myself up.
Anyways, I saw this movie today. Sorry for the semi-necromancy, but in honor of jesus I'm resurrecting this thread.
<b>My synopsis in a nutshell: </b> The <i>Passion</i> was a truly good movie that can be enjoyed by basically anybody who can stomach the gratuitous violence. Me, a vocal atheist, was the last person that i thought would enjoy it. But then I found out that jesus was one cool hombre - even if I don't agree with the 'divineness' of the film, the story is rock-solid and one of the most gripping ever told. my only real criticisms would be the fact that there were a few stupidly cheesy parts, be it blatant character-defining (as with Satan - there wasn't even a LITTLE room for doubt that the crazy bald fella was old Lucifer hisself) or otherwise cheesily-divine moments (the last scene in the movie, inwhich jesus rises from his pall and walks out of the shot, hole-in-palm oh so glaringly apparent). This is a movie that could have very well been an incredible epic had such small nitpick-worthy things been included.
Overall, I would have to give it two thumbs up. See it - it'll move you.
And now for a parting joke: So how about that ending? They <i>totally</i> left it open to a sequel! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Jesus didn't die from suffocation. The other two on the cross did after their legs were broken, which doesn't necessarily always happen in all crucifixions to my knowledge. I think Jesus' heart simply stopped. During crucifixion the victims would last I think around a week before they died, normally. Jesus died in 6 hours or so. He really died on his own accord, so I think the Romans breaking his legs or stabbing him wouldn't be the cause of death.
Bahaha, Dubb, I've never heard anyone describe Jesus as "one cool hombre," that's funny.
For some reason I see Jesus with two bandaliers slung crosswise across his chest, a sombrero, a horseshoe moustache, and two sixshooters, involved in some crazy bar fight in the wild west.
Except his bullets are <i>holy</i> bullets. Ph34r. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
/me skips 50 posts nitpicking about how jesus died, what race he was "supposed to" be, what religion he was, what religion IS, how he looked, etc, and 1 or 2 posts about the actual movie...
I'll add a 3rd post about the actual movie. I was horrified by it, quite frankly. It bothered me. Christianity bothers me, and this movie is a perfect example why. Christianity thrives on scare tactics. Kids have for centuries been trained to believe in God by beating them, hitting them with rulers, making them fear hell...
this movie is two hours of gorily drilling one point into your head: "look at the unbelievable torments this man had to suffer because of YOUR sins." F you, Mel Gibson, don't try to indoctrinate me... if I wanted to watch that much gore and disturbance, I'd watch Quentin Tarantino's entire body of work, Stanley Kubrick's entire body of work, a couple snuff films for good measure, and still not see as much gore as this movie had...
Roger Ebert himself said, "This is the most violent movie I have ever seen." ROGER EBERT.
And it only got an R rating... people brought kids and babies to see it... I would be mentally scarred if I saw this movie before age 12... at least if anyone ever complains about violence in movies or video games again, I can end the argument quickly with 3 words: "Passions of Christ." A movie has a boob in it? NC17. A movie has a man being beaten within inches of his life, to the point where you can see his ribs through the missing flesh? just an R. yeah, we really have our priorities straight with what we want our kids to see...
anyway, the movie is just completely unnecessary... it proves no point... those who believe in the story don't need it drilled into their eyes via a two hour bloodbath, and those who don't believe in the story have even less to gain from watching a man's flesh torn off and rended relentlessly to the point of nausea...
<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Mar 2 2004, 12:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Mar 2 2004, 12:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me skips 50 posts nitpicking about how jesus died, what race he was "supposed to" be, what religion he was, what religion IS, how he looked, etc, and 1 or 2 posts about the actual movie...
I'll add a 3rd post about the actual movie. I was horrified by it, quite frankly. It bothered me. Christianity bothers me, and this movie is a perfect example why. Christianity thrives on scare tactics. Kids have for centuries been trained to believe in God by beating them, hitting them with rulers, making them fear hell...
this movie is two hours of gorily drilling one point into your head: "look at the unbelievable torments this man had to suffer because of YOUR sins." F you, Mel Gibson, don't try to indoctrinate me... if I wanted to watch that much gore and disturbance, I'd watch Quentin Tarantino's entire body of work, Stanley Kubrick's entire body of work, a couple snuff films for good measure, and still not see as much gore as this movie had...
Roger Ebert himself said, "This is the most violent movie I have ever seen." ROGER EBERT.
And it only got an R rating... people brought kids and babies to see it... I would be mentally scarred if I saw this movie before age 12... at least if anyone ever complains about violence in movies or video games again, I can end the argument quickly with 3 words: "Passions of Christ." A movie has a boob in it? NC17. A movie has a man being beaten within inches of his life, to the point where you can see his ribs through the missing flesh? just an R. yeah, we really have our priorities straight with what we want our kids to see...
anyway, the movie is just completely unnecessary... it proves no point... those who believe in the story don't need it drilled into their eyes via a two hour bloodbath, and those who don't believe in the story have even less to gain from watching a man's flesh torn off and rended relentlessly to the point of nausea... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Didnt have any kids in the theater I went to, but I know some parents dragged them along since my friends complained about going to a different theater and having kids yelling in their ear during the whole movie. As a Christian I'll tell you that bringing anyone under 13 to this movie is just stupid, as well as the parents, but its still their choice.
As for this movie being a "scare tactic" thats pure BS. The movie was, in my view, meant to simply give a visual element to the Biblical account of the crucifiction of Jesus. If anything it gave me a prespective on what actually happened, you have to understand its easy to read a book and create in your mind something vauge. But to see it, changes your appreciaction of what Jesus did entirely.
Yeah scare tactics have been used by Christians, but they have also been used by everyone else (Politicians, Enviormentalists, and Y2K Experts come to mind). Of course, that still dosent make it right, and I am still firmly against preachers who choose to go the "Fire and Brimstone" route. Because it just dosent work, it may establish faith, but not true faith based on experience, knowledge, and love.
So, while you may think all Christians are scared into believing in God from childhood, the reality is far different. Everyone has their own reason for believing in God, every Christian has a different story to tell about how they were saved, to attempt to even make any generalization about what their faith is based on is beyond the amount of words you would be willing to read, and I, willing to write.
EDIT: And the reason a boob is going to get an NC17 is not because of some right wing agenda, its because the movie rating system is severly in need of an overhaul. The MPAA is horrible at rating movies, and the current rating system dosent work as well as it needs to. For crying out loud, TV parental ratings are more accurate and informative, and it fits in 1 tiny little box.
well of course it's true that not all Christians want to scare you into following their beliefs... but that was just a guess at the point of this movie, and if it wasn't the point, then ... then what WAS the point of watching such horror for so much time? Jesus had some beautiful teachings, shouldn't they have been given like an hour and a half, leaving just a half hour for the torture?
feh, on further thought, maybe there WAS a point to the movie... I've always felt that a lot of people act immorally because they think in the back of their heads, "Jesus died for my sins, so I can do whatever I want and he'll forgive me," but they don't really think about what that means... maybe now they will a little more...
<!--QuoteBegin-Sirus+Feb 28 2004, 11:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Feb 28 2004, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jesus didn't die from suffocation. The other two on the cross did after their legs were broken, which doesn't necessarily always happen in all crucifixions to my knowledge. I think Jesus' heart simply stopped. During crucifixion the victims would last I think around a week before they died, normally. Jesus died in 6 hours or so. He really died on his own accord, so I think the Romans breaking his legs or stabbing him wouldn't be the cause of death. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I doubt that anyone could last a whole week like that. Humans generally don't last much longer than 3 days without water. A quick google turned up this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The major pathophysiologic effect of crucifixion was an interference with normal respirations. Accordingly death resulted primarily from hypovolemic shock and exhaustion asphyxia.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
from here: <a href='http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/' target='_blank'>http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Mar 2 2004, 12:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Mar 2 2004, 12:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'll add a 3rd post about the actual movie. I was horrified by it, quite frankly. It bothered me. Christianity bothers me, and this movie is a perfect example why. Christianity thrives on scare tactics. Kids have for centuries been trained to believe in God by beating them, hitting them with rulers, making them fear hell... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have to disagree. I am a Christian and I just went to see the movie today...and while I agree that it was absolutely brutal and gruesome, I really would have to object to your dismissal of it (and Christianity as a whole) as a "scare tactic". I really thought that the movie was not about saying "hey, look what Jesus went through for you, you're such a bad person!" but rather, loving your enemies. I actually cried when Peter disowned Jesus, and when the pharisees were about to stone Mary Magdalene. The punishment scenes didn't evoke nearly as much of a reaction from me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->this movie is two hours of gorily drilling one point into your head: "look at the unbelievable torments this man had to suffer because of YOUR sins." F you, Mel Gibson, don't try to indoctrinate me... if I wanted to watch that much gore and disturbance, I'd watch Quentin Tarantino's entire body of work, Stanley Kubrick's entire body of work, a couple snuff films for good measure, and still not see as much gore as this movie had... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
um... wow. lots of bitterness there. Why? I really don't understand the kind of knee-jerk reaction here. The movie was targeted at believers anyway. So why do you have such a big beef with it?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And it only got an R rating... people brought kids and babies to see it... I would be mentally scarred if I saw this movie before age 12... at least if anyone ever complains about violence in movies or video games again, I can end the argument quickly with 3 words: "Passions of Christ." A movie has a boob in it? NC17. A movie has a man being beaten within inches of his life, to the point where you can see his ribs through the missing flesh? just an R. yeah, we really have our priorities straight with what we want our kids to see...
anyway, the movie is just completely unnecessary... it proves no point... those who believe in the story don't need it drilled into their eyes via a two hour bloodbath, and those who don't believe in the story have even less to gain from watching a man's flesh torn off and rended relentlessly to the point of nausea...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The violence wasn't gratuitous. What about Kill Bill? There are plenty of movies that are just as bloody and graphic, and arguably alot of it is senseless. And you're not nauseated by those? What's with the double standard?
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Kill Bill was pretty comical violence... to me, anyway.
Hey counter-culture kiddies, when talking about Jesus, I don't expect you to talk as though you believe he was the son of God. However, try to remember there are billions out there who do. The disrespectful jokes about his death are offensive, and just plain immature. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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The actor who played Jesus Christ his initials are J.C
On the set he got struck by lightning twice and survived.
He is also 33.
6months before shooting the film, a random man walked up to him on the street and said he would be playing the role of Jesus soon.
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Lol. Why get scared?
The actor who played Jesus Christ his initials are J.C
On the set he got struck by lightning twice and survived.
He is also 33.
6months before shooting the film, a random man walked up to him on the street and said he would be playing the role of Jesus soon.
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If it's true then it's just coincidence. I saw an article about September the 11th and all the conspiracy around it. The only part I can remember is the 911 part, the American 999.
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OMG!!!! HE DIES??? Pshh...spoilers.
Forgive my blasphemy.
How can he be Christian? That would mean he worships himself as a Messiah. If you need to know, Christianism has been created in the belief of Jesus being the Messiah after he has resurrected, while Jews don't believe it. Jesus was Jewish and he wasstheir Messiah as it was prophetised. The difference stands that after his death, Christianism was born with the belief that Jesus was that Messiah, and Jews didn't believe so and still await their Messiah (just as before)
I don't think Christians deny the fact Jesus was Jewish.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm atheist
How can he be Christian? That would mean he worships himself as a Messiah. If you need to know, Christianism has been created in the belief of Jesus being the Messiah after he has resurrected, while Jews don't believe it. Jesus was Jewish and he wasstheir Messiah as it was prophetised. The difference stands that after his death, Christianism was born with the belief that Jesus was that Messiah, and Jews didn't believe so and still await their Messiah (just as before)
I don't think Christians deny the fact Jesus was Jewish.
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Well, aside from you focusing on exactly what I said in some wrong context (because I specifically said Jesus can't be Christian...).
Essentially that's right: the Jewish faith is still awaiting their messiah, whom Jesus proclaimed to be, but many Jews didn't believe him. Christianity spawns from the believe he was the messiah (...I have no idea why it became a trinity with the holy ghost...but whatever - despite the fact I think that's dumb, doesn't meant it doesn't exist).
Some people don't like to admit Jesus was jewish, because they like to blame the jews for killing him (...which in effect is demonizing your own savior...I don't get it either).
...and last I checked it was Christianity, not Christianism. That's like saying Jewism or Islamism (or pick another religion). Although, that's not really important.
[side note and O/T] Atheism (atheist) means you believe in a higher power, as in, you're the opposite of theism, or the believe in a theist (aha, atheist, a theist......it's funny, be quiet) God (all powerful, all knowing, all good, still existant God). Agnostic means you choose not to believe in a higher power, in any sense.
so i dont expect spoilers here so dont post incorrectly
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Exactly. The idea of crucifixion is that you hang there and bleed to death.
I'm surprised to see that other people know about the nails in the wrist thing. It's so unbelievably innacurate, and yet you see pictures of Christ with nails through the palms of his hands all the time. It's good to know there's at least one other person out there who realizes that the nail would tear through if it were through the palm of your hand.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go find something to do that involves happy jumping puppies to be hugged.
All this talk of crucifixion is making me sick.
That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing this movie, because to be honest I've never really been exposed that much to the New Testament. I don't even really know WTH happened.
While I don't doubt that all of this ever happened, the only reason I'm going to see it is for the pure story of it. I do doubt the "holiness" of all that did happen, but think about it this way. If this were a story about a normal guy being crucified after helping a bunch of people, wouldn't it be just as compelling?
sorry, I know some people might be picky about this (as -ism sometimes denotes a negative side) but I thought it was christianism because that's how it's said in french <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
a·the·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-st)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
you got the defintions flipped around, anyway back to Jesus talk.
ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
a·the·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-st)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
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Not sure what dictionary you're using (probably dictionary.com), and it's prefectly legitimate in everyday use, as they're basically the same meaning, as you don't believe in a conventional religion, however, my Websters has them as:
ag-nos-tic - one who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable.
a-the-ist-(ic) - one who does not take an orthodox religious posistion (antonym theist); shared meaning INFIDEL, AGNOSTIC, DEIST, FREETHINKER, UNBELIEVER.
Although, honestly, my first definition was based on a theist God and the opposite of it...however, apparently they're completely interchangeable in normal use.
I have to say I'd rather see the Lord of the Rings than this...but maybe I'll rent it later. It does have that interesting quality going for it...except it'll probably get all the radical middle-easterns mad at the US (even more). All the churches and churchey people will want to make their family see it too.
I remember during communion we were forced to see...Prince of Egypt (or something...the cartoon). Bah, waste of money right there - give me the Charlton Heston.
By the way doesn't Websters have a defintion for "bling bling".
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One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=agnostic' target='_blank'>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=agnostic</a>
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1.
1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
2. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
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Jesus did NOT die from a heart attack. He died of suffocation, known fact among Bible scholars, no debate.
Secondly:
Inf, Longinus was not the one to stab him. Caias Kheil did.
Third: Jesus WAS JEWISH. NO DEBATE. He was a jew. A semite. He worshipped God, but knew he was the son of God, and not superior to him. He is now, but he is NOT a no-religion.
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:D
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Yeah - longinus was all like:
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And the Caius was all like:
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And then the spear (not usually one to be outspoken) was all like:
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And then ever-placid jesus replied:
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Ahhh I crack myself up.
Anyways, I saw this movie today. Sorry for the semi-necromancy, but in honor of jesus I'm resurrecting this thread.
<b>My synopsis in a nutshell: </b> The <i>Passion</i> was a truly good movie that can be enjoyed by basically anybody who can stomach the gratuitous violence. Me, a vocal atheist, was the last person that i thought would enjoy it. But then I found out that jesus was one cool hombre - even if I don't agree with the 'divineness' of the film, the story is rock-solid and one of the most gripping ever told. my only real criticisms would be the fact that there were a few stupidly cheesy parts, be it blatant character-defining (as with Satan - there wasn't even a LITTLE room for doubt that the crazy bald fella was old Lucifer hisself) or otherwise cheesily-divine moments (the last scene in the movie, inwhich jesus rises from his pall and walks out of the shot, hole-in-palm oh so glaringly apparent). This is a movie that could have very well been an incredible epic had such small nitpick-worthy things been included.
Overall, I would have to give it two thumbs up. See it - it'll move you.
And now for a parting joke: So how about that ending? They <i>totally</i> left it open to a sequel! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
For some reason I see Jesus with two bandaliers slung crosswise across his chest, a sombrero, a horseshoe moustache, and two sixshooters, involved in some crazy bar fight in the wild west.
Except his bullets are <i>holy</i> bullets. Ph34r. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll add a 3rd post about the actual movie. I was horrified by it, quite frankly. It bothered me. Christianity bothers me, and this movie is a perfect example why. Christianity thrives on scare tactics. Kids have for centuries been trained to believe in God by beating them, hitting them with rulers, making them fear hell...
this movie is two hours of gorily drilling one point into your head: "look at the unbelievable torments this man had to suffer because of YOUR sins." F you, Mel Gibson, don't try to indoctrinate me... if I wanted to watch that much gore and disturbance, I'd watch Quentin Tarantino's entire body of work, Stanley Kubrick's entire body of work, a couple snuff films for good measure, and still not see as much gore as this movie had...
Roger Ebert himself said, "This is the most violent movie I have ever seen." ROGER EBERT.
And it only got an R rating... people brought kids and babies to see it... I would be mentally scarred if I saw this movie before age 12... at least if anyone ever complains about violence in movies or video games again, I can end the argument quickly with 3 words: "Passions of Christ." A movie has a boob in it? NC17. A movie has a man being beaten within inches of his life, to the point where you can see his ribs through the missing flesh? just an R. yeah, we really have our priorities straight with what we want our kids to see...
anyway, the movie is just completely unnecessary... it proves no point... those who believe in the story don't need it drilled into their eyes via a two hour bloodbath, and those who don't believe in the story have even less to gain from watching a man's flesh torn off and rended relentlessly to the point of nausea...
I'll add a 3rd post about the actual movie. I was horrified by it, quite frankly. It bothered me. Christianity bothers me, and this movie is a perfect example why. Christianity thrives on scare tactics. Kids have for centuries been trained to believe in God by beating them, hitting them with rulers, making them fear hell...
this movie is two hours of gorily drilling one point into your head: "look at the unbelievable torments this man had to suffer because of YOUR sins." F you, Mel Gibson, don't try to indoctrinate me... if I wanted to watch that much gore and disturbance, I'd watch Quentin Tarantino's entire body of work, Stanley Kubrick's entire body of work, a couple snuff films for good measure, and still not see as much gore as this movie had...
Roger Ebert himself said, "This is the most violent movie I have ever seen." ROGER EBERT.
And it only got an R rating... people brought kids and babies to see it... I would be mentally scarred if I saw this movie before age 12... at least if anyone ever complains about violence in movies or video games again, I can end the argument quickly with 3 words: "Passions of Christ." A movie has a boob in it? NC17. A movie has a man being beaten within inches of his life, to the point where you can see his ribs through the missing flesh? just an R. yeah, we really have our priorities straight with what we want our kids to see...
anyway, the movie is just completely unnecessary... it proves no point... those who believe in the story don't need it drilled into their eyes via a two hour bloodbath, and those who don't believe in the story have even less to gain from watching a man's flesh torn off and rended relentlessly to the point of nausea... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Didnt have any kids in the theater I went to, but I know some parents dragged them along since my friends complained about going to a different theater and having kids yelling in their ear during the whole movie. As a Christian I'll tell you that bringing anyone under 13 to this movie is just stupid, as well as the parents, but its still their choice.
As for this movie being a "scare tactic" thats pure BS. The movie was, in my view, meant to simply give a visual element to the Biblical account of the crucifiction of Jesus. If anything it gave me a prespective on what actually happened, you have to understand its easy to read a book and create in your mind something vauge. But to see it, changes your appreciaction of what Jesus did entirely.
Yeah scare tactics have been used by Christians, but they have also been used by everyone else (Politicians, Enviormentalists, and Y2K Experts come to mind). Of course, that still dosent make it right, and I am still firmly against preachers who choose to go the "Fire and Brimstone" route. Because it just dosent work, it may establish faith, but not true faith based on experience, knowledge, and love.
So, while you may think all Christians are scared into believing in God from childhood, the reality is far different. Everyone has their own reason for believing in God, every Christian has a different story to tell about how they were saved, to attempt to even make any generalization about what their faith is based on is beyond the amount of words you would be willing to read, and I, willing to write.
EDIT: And the reason a boob is going to get an NC17 is not because of some right wing agenda, its because the movie rating system is severly in need of an overhaul. The MPAA is horrible at rating movies, and the current rating system dosent work as well as it needs to. For crying out loud, TV parental ratings are more accurate and informative, and it fits in 1 tiny little box.
feh, on further thought, maybe there WAS a point to the movie... I've always felt that a lot of people act immorally because they think in the back of their heads, "Jesus died for my sins, so I can do whatever I want and he'll forgive me," but they don't really think about what that means... maybe now they will a little more...
I doubt that anyone could last a whole week like that. Humans generally don't last much longer than 3 days without water. A quick google turned up this:
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from here: <a href='http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/' target='_blank'>http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/</a>
I'll add a 3rd post about the actual movie. I was horrified by it, quite frankly. It bothered me. Christianity bothers me, and this movie is a perfect example why. Christianity thrives on scare tactics. Kids have for centuries been trained to believe in God by beating them, hitting them with rulers, making them fear hell...
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I have to disagree. I am a Christian and I just went to see the movie today...and while I agree that it was absolutely brutal and gruesome, I really would have to object to your dismissal of it (and Christianity as a whole) as a "scare tactic". I really thought that the movie was not about saying "hey, look what Jesus went through for you, you're such a bad person!" but rather, loving your enemies. I actually cried when Peter disowned Jesus, and when the pharisees were about to stone Mary Magdalene. The punishment scenes didn't evoke nearly as much of a reaction from me.
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um... wow. lots of bitterness there. Why? I really don't understand the kind of knee-jerk reaction here. The movie was targeted at believers anyway. So why do you have such a big beef with it?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And it only got an R rating... people brought kids and babies to see it... I would be mentally scarred if I saw this movie before age 12... at least if anyone ever complains about violence in movies or video games again, I can end the argument quickly with 3 words: "Passions of Christ." A movie has a boob in it? NC17. A movie has a man being beaten within inches of his life, to the point where you can see his ribs through the missing flesh? just an R. yeah, we really have our priorities straight with what we want our kids to see...
anyway, the movie is just completely unnecessary... it proves no point... those who believe in the story don't need it drilled into their eyes via a two hour bloodbath, and those who don't believe in the story have even less to gain from watching a man's flesh torn off and rended relentlessly to the point of nausea...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The violence wasn't gratuitous. What about Kill Bill? There are plenty of movies that are just as bloody and graphic, and arguably alot of it is senseless. And you're not nauseated by those? What's with the double standard?
Kill Bill was pretty comical violence... to me, anyway.