<!--quoteo(post=1602857:date=Jan 31 2007, 05:07 AM:name=Tykjen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tykjen @ Jan 31 2007, 05:07 AM) [snapback]1602857[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> To the guy who says he did shrooms..sounds to me like you were fooled into acid. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What? No it doesn't. Shrooms are a more powerful trip, LSD is more easily controllable and introspective -- you have to look for the hallucinations.
<!--quoteo(post=1602863:date=Jan 31 2007, 05:51 AM:name=Femme_Fatale)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Femme_Fatale @ Jan 31 2007, 05:51 AM) [snapback]1602863[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> apperantly 1 bad acidtrip can actually scar you for life.... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No. Not unless you drop 10 tabs your first time while depressed/anxious, don't have a sitter, and go driving. Then I guess you could end up having a crash and scarring yourself physically, but unless you actually know what you're talking about, don't talk about it. I don't know anything about Norwegian politics, yet I don't go ranting about all their godless policies now, do I?
<!--quoteo(post=1602867:date=Jan 31 2007, 05:57 AM:name=Tykjen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tykjen @ Jan 31 2007, 05:57 AM) [snapback]1602867[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Theres a big difference in acid and shrooms, thats how educated i am. thus why i think he was duped. and yea pls dont go near it, shroom or acid. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why not? If you're an idiot like the aforementioned posters and don't know a thing about the substances you do or don't take into your body [for whatever reason], then yes, definitely stay away from drugs. Also stay away from sharp objects, blunt objects, TV, churches, fast food, and violent video games, because your ignorance will destroy you. Honestly, if you don't know a thing about drugs, don't take them and don't condemn them, you'll just wind up looking like an idiot like you have here.
If you want to learn something, go to erowid.org. If you don't, don't. But that's all that's going to be said about drugs in this thread, don't get it locked because of your ignorance -- it's not even supposed to be discussed, if I remember the rules correctly. I repeat, either go to the site and learn, or continue on your merry way in blissful ignorance, but don't continue talking about it here.
Erowid is a good site. I found it way back when I was 12, still read it to this day. I don't use, but I'm fascinated by the human psyche, perception, and the way the mind builds itself up and breaks itself down. Nothing like hallucinogens for that.
<!--quoteo(post=1602867:date=Jan 30 2007, 12:57 PM:name=Tykjen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tykjen @ Jan 30 2007, 12:57 PM) [snapback]1602867[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Theres a big difference in acid and shrooms, thats how educated i am. thus why i think he was duped. and yea pls dont go near it, shroom or acid. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> shooting up smack in a norwegian subway bathroom stall doesn't make you an expert on hallucinogens
Well, this isn't so much a stupid thing I've done as much as it is a funny (in hindsight) and painful accident.
It was a Saturday afternoon and I had just finished mowing the lawn. I was pulling the riding lawn mower back into the garage. As I made the left turn into the garage, I was going pretty slow (first gear out of 5). Just as I started past the garage opening I sneezed due to the dust that was thrown up into the air by the tractor. I happened to accidently hit the gear shift with my elbow and the mower shifted into fifth gear. I went from first gear to fifth in less than a second and hurtled into the garage. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" /> By the time I realized what had happened I had already collided with the workbench and had a drill press hit me flat across the chest. Luckily I was uninjured except for a good sized bruise. I seriously thought I had cracked a rib right after it happened. You really had to be there to really understand how funny it must have been to watch. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1602867:date=Jan 30 2007, 01:57 PM:name=Tykjen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tykjen @ Jan 30 2007, 01:57 PM) [snapback]1602867[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Theres a big difference in acid and shrooms, thats how educated i am. thus why i think he was duped. and yea pls dont go near it, shroom or acid. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> *whoosh*
the shrooms that ive taken up the years(not just subway norwegian ones) have given me nothing but uncontrollable laughter for hours and feeling nothing but great the day after. on the other hand acid is something i will never forget and felt one try was enough.thats what i based the difference on, in my "expert" opinion on..sorry. ofc i know it varies from persona to persona.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No. Not unless you drop 10 tabs your first time while depressed/anxious, don't have a sitter, and go driving. Then I guess you could end up having a crash and scarring yourself physically, but unless you actually know what you're talking about, don't talk about it. I don't know anything about Norwegian politics, yet I don't go ranting about all their godless policies now, do I?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Taken from erowid.com, the site you linked:
unwanted and overwhelming feelings unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences flashbacks
Taken from wikipedia, with loads of references, "An LSD trip can have long term psychoemotional effects; some users cite the LSD experience as causing significant changes in their personality and life perspective". About US Army testers "Several subjects developed severe mental illnesses and even committed suicide after the experiments".
So, er, seems like she was right. One bad trip can screw up your life, or your mental health. Why are you jumping down on people, just because they say "Don't do drugs"? Follow that advice, and absolutely nothing can go wrong. And that's all it is, advice, to be ignored or listened to as the person chooses.
lol i meant psychological scarring. omai. do i have to feed it with babyspoons ? *dissapointed*
edit,aldaris beat me to the point <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1603139:date=Feb 1 2007, 08:00 AM:name=Femme_Fatale)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Femme_Fatale @ Feb 1 2007, 08:00 AM) [snapback]1603139[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> lol i meant psychological scarring. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know, I was mocking you. Do I need to do this? </mocking>
<!--quoteo(post=1603118:date=Feb 1 2007, 05:44 AM:name=Aldaris)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aldaris @ Feb 1 2007, 05:44 AM) [snapback]1603118[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Taken from erowid.com, the site you linked:
unwanted and overwhelming feelings unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences flashbacks<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flashbacks don't occur in natural sobriety, even if you've taken a whole lot of LSD over the years. There are rumours and urban legends of them, but they're just that. The unwanted and overwhelming feelings are natural with drugs you're not accustomed to -- first time I drank coffee or red bull, I got an incredible jittery and headachey feeling that I did not like and just wished to go away. It made me feel like utter crap and, if I'd drunk it faster or had part of another one, it would have been a whole lot worse. The vast majority of the life-changing spiritual experiences are positive, 'unwanted' is a misleading term. People tend to do acid for the visuals and then undergo incredible introspective experiences.. ultimately positive ones.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Taken from wikipedia, with loads of references, "An LSD trip can have long term psychoemotional effects; some users cite the LSD experience as causing significant changes in their personality and life perspective". About US Army testers "Several subjects developed severe mental illnesses and even committed suicide after the experiments".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The first part does not imply negative effects, unless you're one of those people that assume "change is bad". LSD has been used by numerous people, including Timothy Leary, to treat alcoholism, PTSD, etc. The US military research results, similarly to the experiences of people in MK-Ultra, reflect how important setting and personal expectations from the drug affect your experiences. I would not recommend anybody take LSD in a military or alienating, clinical environment, especially for their first time with no knowledge of that drug or other psychedelic drugs. You can quote MK-ultra to say "the subject developed incredible feelings of depression and lost touch with sanity" all you want, but until you factor in the part where she was in a sensory deprivation tank, being treated for depression when they forced her into the experiments [unwillingly] and would often have her worst confessions in therapy played back to her on a tape recorder for hours or days or weeks on end... then you're not getting the whole story.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So, er, seems like she was right. One bad trip can screw up your life, or your mental health. Why are you jumping down on people, just because they say "Don't do drugs"? Follow that advice, and absolutely nothing can go wrong. And that's all it is, advice, to be ignored or listened to as the person chooses. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, she wasn't right. You were misleading as well -- you cannot take things like this on the face value of a few disclaimers. You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter. I stand by what I said -- from what I've read, shrooms are harder to fight than LSD when it comes to visual distortions, and LSD is known/used mainly for its positive psychological effects, not for its hallucinogenic effects. That's not to say the effects and purposes of use are mutually exclusive, but there are differences between the two drugs.
I assume you would know all about that, however, having looked it up on Wikipedia and quoted us the token "drugs have the potential to be not so fun!" disclaimer. Enlighten us, scientist.
<!--quoteo(post=1603178:date=Jan 31 2007, 11:41 PM:name=emperor_awesome)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(emperor_awesome @ Jan 31 2007, 11:41 PM) [snapback]1603178[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I know, I was mocking you. Do I need to do this? </mocking> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1603178:date=Jan 31 2007, 10:41 PM:name=emperor_awesome)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(emperor_awesome @ Jan 31 2007, 10:41 PM) [snapback]1603178[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I know, I was mocking you. Do I need to do this? </mocking> Flashbacks don't occur in natural sobriety, even if you've taken a whole lot of LSD over the years. There are rumours and urban legends of them, but they're just that. The unwanted and overwhelming feelings are natural with drugs you're not accustomed to -- first time I drank coffee or red bull, I got an incredible jittery and headachey feeling that I did not like and just wished to go away. It made me feel like utter crap and, if I'd drunk it faster or had part of another one, it would have been a whole lot worse. The vast majority of the life-changing spiritual experiences are positive, 'unwanted' is a misleading term. People tend to do acid for the visuals and then undergo incredible introspective experiences.. ultimately positive ones. The first part does not imply negative effects, unless you're one of those people that assume "change is bad". LSD has been used by numerous people, including Timothy Leary, to treat alcoholism, PTSD, etc. The US military research results, similarly to the experiences of people in MK-Ultra, reflect how important setting and personal expectations from the drug affect your experiences. I would not recommend anybody take LSD in a military or alienating, clinical environment, especially for their first time with no knowledge of that drug or other psychedelic drugs. You can quote MK-ultra to say "the subject developed incredible feelings of depression and lost touch with sanity" all you want, but until you factor in the part where she was in a sensory deprivation tank, being treated for depression when they forced her into the experiments [unwillingly] and would often have her worst confessions in therapy played back to her on a tape recorder for hours or days or weeks on end... then you're not getting the whole story. No, she wasn't right. You were misleading as well -- you cannot take things like this on the face value of a few disclaimers. You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter. I stand by what I said -- from what I've read, shrooms are harder to fight than LSD when it comes to visual distortions, and LSD is known/used mainly for its positive psychological effects, not for its hallucinogenic effects. That's not to say the effects and purposes of use are mutually exclusive, but there are differences between the two drugs.
I assume you would know all about that, however, having looked it up on Wikipedia and quoted us the token "drugs have the potential to be not so fun!" disclaimer. Enlighten us, scientist. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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edited January 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1603067:date=Jan 31 2007, 04:48 AM:name=Bloo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bloo @ Jan 31 2007, 04:48 AM) [snapback]1603067[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> What the hell is the deal that everyone besides me does dope?
Does dope make you cool?
do you have to do dope to be "One of teh crowd"?
Drugs are bad mkay? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> let's not flatter ourselves here, thinking we're better than people who use drugs.
you only live once, and it's up to you to try or not try any drugs before you die. i myself have tried many but only still enjoy one, and that's weed. i love the way it feels to be high on a sunny saturday, laying on the beach with friends and a beer or two and just spacing out. i love the way anything can just tickle you and make you laugh, from warm giggles to ridiculous, gut-wrenching belly-laughter. i love the way it makes food that you thought you loved become an experience of pure ecstasy, as the vivid and unbelievable tastes fill your mouth and then envelops around your mind.
-am i addicted? well, some would argue you can't be addicted. am i HOOKED? no. i haven't smoked in months now, because i get piss-tested in the military. before i joined i smoked maybe three or four times a month (on the weekends usually).
-has it affected my health? not much. the volume of smoke that i have inhaled in my entire life is likely less than the same amount of tobacco a smoker burns in a month. i'm in the best shape of my life, i lift twice a week, run at least 8 miles a week, i'm a kickboxer, i have the body i've always wanted.
<b>what i'm trying to say</b> is that, if you are weak-minded or simply let the drug take over your life, then that's what you become: an addict. but if you can exercise an amount of <b>moderation</b> that will let you lead a productive life, you are still what you make yourself. i know people who are completely clean and yet are still losers, out of shape, flipping burgers, or whatever. i know people who smoke and are happy with themselves, have successful relationships with friends and significant others, have secure jobs and a great outlook for the future.
<b>you are what you make yourself</b>. if drugs are part of the picture, so be it. the drug doesn't change you. only YOU can change you.
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->edit: the mod who locks this thread because it has DRUGS in it is probably a shut-in who fears discussion of things he doesn't himself understand.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Is this why you don't cut your hair -- afraid of the scissors? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
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Billions of years ago when I was at highschool we had this icecream vending machine that had used a robotic arm to pick the icecreams up from this small freezer thingie and put them in the tray for you.
"Hey Mouse, you reckon you could reach your arm up to the freezer in there?" (I'm a tall skinny person) "... I dunno, lets find out" (this was not a wise idea)
I got my arm into the machine easily enough, turns out I couldn't reach the top of the freezer, oh well. But this is where I ran into a problem, the opening in the bottom of the machine (that I currently had my entire right arm in) had a lip at the bottom to ensure that the icecream didn't go flying out of the machine. When I tried to remove my arm from the machine, my elbow caught on this lip, effectively leaving me stuck.
One thing to keep in mind is that this was happening during a school dance, so there was a decent number of spectators, this led to a couple of interesting things happening.<ul><li> I was punched in the face by a guy who claimed he was just trying to hit the front of machine, I don't see how he figured either of those things would help.</li><li> This girl tried to buy an icecream. (I realise that I was in the middle of doing my own incredibly stupid thing, but what the hell was she thinking!?) Needless to say, she didn't get her icecream.</li></ul>During all of this I was moving my arm about, attempting to find a way to get my arm out. At one point I could feel the bones in my forearm bending (an interesting sensation if nothing else), this put the thought in my head of perhaps breaking my own arm if I couldn't figure out a way to free it. Thankfully I managed to free my arm before it came to that; though I still wonder what sort of reputation I would have gained in the school if I had done so.
With my arm freed I stood up, relieved that my ordeal was over. As I turned I saw the school cop a couple of feet away with That Damned Girl in tow. For some reason he wanted to have a chat with me.
*cop records name* "Why did you have your arm in the vending machine?" "Wanted to see how far my arm could reach up it" "Were you trying to steal anything?" "Nope, I was just curious" "Hrm, well this girl says she tried to buy an icecream while you had your arm in the machine but it stole her money. You're going to have to pay her back the 60 cents for it" "Okay" *gives That Damned Girl the money*
And then I was allowed to go back in. For the record, I only gave the girl 50 cents, though I didn't realise it until 10 minutes after the fact.
Flashbacks don't occur in natural sobriety, even if you've taken a whole lot of LSD over the years. There are rumours and urban legends of them, but they're just that. The unwanted and overwhelming feelings are natural with drugs you're not accustomed to -- first time I drank coffee or red bull, I got an incredible jittery and headachey feeling that I did not like and just wished to go away. It made me feel like utter crap and, if I'd drunk it faster or had part of another one, it would have been a whole lot worse. The vast majority of the life-changing spiritual experiences are positive, 'unwanted' is a misleading term. People tend to do acid for the visuals and then undergo incredible introspective experiences.. ultimately positive ones.
The first part does not imply negative effects, unless you're one of those people that assume "change is bad". LSD has been used by numerous people, including Timothy Leary, to treat alcoholism, PTSD, etc. The US military research results, similarly to the experiences of people in MK-Ultra, reflect how important setting and personal expectations from the drug affect your experiences. I would not recommend anybody take LSD in a military or alienating, clinical environment, especially for their first time with no knowledge of that drug or other psychedelic drugs. You can quote MK-ultra to say "the subject developed incredible feelings of depression and lost touch with sanity" all you want, but until you factor in the part where she was in a sensory deprivation tank, being treated for depression when they forced her into the experiments [unwillingly] and would often have her worst confessions in therapy played back to her on a tape recorder for hours or days or weeks on end... then you're not getting the whole story.
No, she wasn't right. You were misleading as well -- you cannot take things like this on the face value of a few disclaimers. You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter. I stand by what I said -- from what I've read, shrooms are harder to fight than LSD when it comes to visual distortions, and LSD is known/used mainly for its positive psychological effects, not for its hallucinogenic effects. That's not to say the effects and purposes of use are mutually exclusive, but there are differences between the two drugs.
I assume you would know all about that, however, having looked it up on Wikipedia and quoted us the token "drugs have the potential to be not so fun!" disclaimer. Enlighten us, scientist. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> So, right, you link to a site, tell us to read it. We read it, and then you say the site is lying? I research, as you suggested, and the research says things can go wrong, that experiences can have long term negative effects, and you say it doesn't happen? Right. There's nothing misleading about unwanted effects at all. It's not an ambigious term in the slightest, It can only be taken one way, and that's as a negative side effect.
I know the first part of the wiki quote doesn't imply negative effects, but nor does it imply positive effects either. The quote is supposed to be taken either way. I never said change cannot be positive, so you're putting words into my mouth.
Femme is right, and you've even admitted as much. Your entire argument seems to be based around "You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter", and you're completely correct. Under these situations, LSD will be an incredible experience, unforgetable, and it's unlikely anything will go wrong. But taken under the exact opposite situation as this, and LSD can be like your worst nightmare, and these situations do happen. I've looked at more websites now, and they keep saying the same thing. Bad trips happen, they're scary as hell, and have led, in some cases, to full blown psychosis.
A bad LSD trip does not lead to psychosis after the trip is finished.
I also love how many logical fallacies you perpetuate -- do you suppose that everybody is as dense as you are, and will believe your argument complete with its idiocies and unsubtle manipulations?
<!--quoteo(post=1603211:date=Feb 1 2007, 11:55 AM:name=Aldaris)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aldaris @ Feb 1 2007, 11:55 AM) [snapback]1603211[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> So, right, you link to a site, tell us to read it. We read it, and then you say the site is lying?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I did not say that nor did I even imply it, nor is it inferable from my response. Your attempts to mislead the readers are disgusting and despicable. I said that your conclusions from the site's information are incorrect, and this is in keeping with your thusfar unbearable lack of intelligence.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I research, as you suggested, and the research says things can go wrong, that experiences can have long term negative effects, and you say it doesn't happen?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I did not say that. See my last rebuttal. If you are at such a loss for material, I suggest you keep out of the spotlight until you have learned how to argue without utilising logical fallacies and misleading conclusions.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->so you're putting words into my mouth.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Funny how people tend to broadcast their hypocrisy, just in case it wasn't obvious enough.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Femme is right, and you've even admitted as much.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If at any point she touched on a sound idea, it was based on ignorance and idiocy and derived from incorrect conclusions. In this case she is an accidental advisor, and a rare one at that.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your entire argument seems to be based around "You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter", and you're completely correct. Under these situations, LSD will be an incredible experience, unforgetable, and it's unlikely anything will go wrong. But taken under the exact opposite situation as this, and LSD can be like your worst nightmare, and these situations do happen. I've looked at more websites now, and they keep saying the same thing. Bad trips happen, they're scary as hell, and have led, in some cases, to full blown psychosis. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The substance itself does not lead to 'full blown psychosis'. Also, the 'exact opposite situations' are those exemplified by the MK-Ultra endeavour, brutal experiments designed to brainwash unwilling captives. So in the normal degree of variation, LSD is vastly safer than suggested by the ignorant parties in this thread. All substances have the potential for abuse and harm, illegal, legal, or even inert, if used incorrectly. Blanket statements like "LSD is dangerous" damage nothing but the spirit of public knowledge and your own image in the eyes of intelligent parties.
I was at my Latin class on my first day of high school. My teacher told my class we were going to give our selves Latin names. In order to be different, I chose to make it what my SN for games was at the time(A_Dirty_Shisno, it originates from Red vs Blue), shortened to Shisno. People asked me what it meant, and to my horror I remembered that it means a piece of ****. Eventually, one of my friends told someone, and I got a nickname that means a piece of ****. Thankfully, only a handful of people know that.
People thought that it was spelled Shizno, and eventually my nickname morphed in to "Shiz". It is now about a year and a half later, and I've accepted my nickname I got for a stupid mistake. Mostly nobody knows what it means, but I still am called a piece of **** by about a third of the school everyday.
I've got more from where that one came from, like the time I made a huge mural on my desk out of the ink in the eraser of my erasable pen during health class, and got caught. I blamed it on another kid, put off the desk cleaning I was supposed to do, and left on exam day only having it pick up a couple pieces of trash to compensate.
Oh, and there was the time I almost got admin rights to my favorite Team Fortress Classic Server, and then got banned(for a minute) because I "spawn camped".
Shut up about drugs or I'll stab your eyes out dead.
Stupid things I've done? Gone up against a big fat guy with a knife.
I was out riding my bike and a car swerved over on my side of the rode. Him going up the steep hill I was going down. I couldn't really get over onto the gravel due to speed; and it's all sand along the road. So, he swerves over, then back, and I can see him laughing his balls off. I slam by brakes on, get off the bike and give the guy the best finger in the UNIVERSE. He, of course, didn't like this. Stopped, backed up, and since I'm so angry, I don't really grasp his intent.
He gets out of the car, and starts cussing at me. Saying the general macho ish. 'Tough guy want a piece of me?' and ish like that. He pulls a hunting knife out of his belt and goes after me; cut my left arm open at the crook. Just barely missed the artery there. I got in a lucky punch right at the bridge of his nose and knocked him cold.
Cops really hated me afterwords because I got rid of the 'evidence.' I threw the knife into the woods. And I wouldn't go to the hospital; I stitched the thing up by myself with a bit of dental floss and lots of peroxide.
<!--quoteo(post=1603219:date=Jan 31 2007, 07:23 PM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Jan 31 2007, 07:23 PM) [snapback]1603219[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Shut up about drugs or I'll stab your eyes out dead. Stupid things I've done? Gone up against a big fat guy with a knife.
I was out riding my bike and a car swerved over on my side of the rode. Him going up the steep hill I was going down. I couldn't really get over onto the gravel due to speed; and it's all sand along the road. So, he swerves over, then back, and I can see him laughing his balls off. I slam by brakes on, get off the bike and give the guy the best finger in the UNIVERSE. He, of course, didn't like this. Stopped, backed up, and since I'm so angry, I don't really grasp his intent.
He gets out of the car, and starts cussing at me. Saying the general macho ish. 'Tough guy want a piece of me?' and ish like that. He pulls a hunting knife out of his belt and goes after me; cut my left arm open at the crook. Just barely missed the artery there. I got in a lucky punch right at the bridge of his nose and knocked him cold.
Cops really hated me afterwords because I got rid of the 'evidence.' I threw the knife into the woods. And I wouldn't go to the hospital; I stitched the thing up by myself with a bit of dental floss and lots of peroxide.
Pretty nifty scar though! <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd like to see that scar...
<!--quoteo(post=1603253:date=Jan 31 2007, 11:25 PM:name=Jmmsbnd007)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jmmsbnd007 @ Jan 31 2007, 11:25 PM) [snapback]1603253[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'd like to see that scar... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd show it, but the camera is back at my parent's house and my crappy web cam doesn't show it at all. Or anything at all for that matter. Just blur.
I fell off my bike once, on my way to my final exam. Nice and snowy (and also icy), and since no one ever stops properly at cross-streets they just block off the bike path and that always ends well with slippery weather. I swerve to avoid hitting a minivan, end up losing control of the bike and nailing my arm against concrete (helmet-less head hit the grass <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> ). Now comes the two really dumb parts:
After holding my hand up to my ear and having a little pool of blood collect in my palm I figure I better hurry up and get to my exam, so I hop <i>back</i> on the bike and ride the remaining 3/4 of a mile to class (without incident). By the time I get to the bike rack I can't even hold my arm still anymore, since it's doing the crazy 'vibrating, unintentional random muscle spasm' thing...plus my ear still didn't want to stop bleeding, and I'm got two giant scrapes on my face.
Take my exam <i>and then </i> I go to the student health clinic. You'd be surprised how hard it is to fold over an exam booklet's page with a broken arm <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> . At least I got an A on that exam. Turns out to be a minor fracture near the elbow and a giant gouge out of my ear (which, by exam time, had stopped bleeding). Managed to get to the doctor about 2 hours after the injury, heh. It's nice that the person that cut me off didn't stop and all, too.
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I was out riding my bike and a car swerved over on my side of the rode. Him going up the steep hill I was going down. I couldn't really get over onto the gravel due to speed; and it's all sand along the road. So, he swerves over, then back, and I can see him laughing his balls off. I slam by brakes on, get off the bike and give the guy the best finger in the UNIVERSE. He, of course, didn't like this. Stopped, backed up, and since I'm so angry, I don't really grasp his intent.
He gets out of the car, and starts cussing at me. Saying the general macho ish. 'Tough guy want a piece of me?' and ish like that. He pulls a hunting knife out of his belt and goes after me; cut my left arm open at the crook. Just barely missed the artery there. I got in a lucky punch right at the bridge of his nose and knocked him cold.
Cops really hated me afterwords because I got rid of the 'evidence.' I threw the knife into the woods. And I wouldn't go to the hospital; I stitched the thing up by myself with a bit of dental floss and lots of peroxide.
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At the time I was living in Michigan, just south of Detroit.
Rough bunch.
Edit: Haha... Have another one to add.
I was practicing some TaeKwonDo last night and was mixing some of the techniques up with some tricks I know. I went to go into a butterfly kick, jumped, and landed with my left leg extended, right leg folded back. Needless to say, I've just torn up my groin muscles and this sucks complete ######.
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and yea pls dont go near it, shroom or acid.
To the guy who says he did shrooms..sounds to me like you were fooled into acid.
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What? No it doesn't. Shrooms are a more powerful trip, LSD is more easily controllable and introspective -- you have to look for the hallucinations.
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apperantly 1 bad acidtrip can actually scar you for life....
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No. Not unless you drop 10 tabs your first time while depressed/anxious, don't have a sitter, and go driving. Then I guess you could end up having a crash and scarring yourself physically, but unless you actually know what you're talking about, don't talk about it. I don't know anything about Norwegian politics, yet I don't go ranting about all their godless policies now, do I?
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Theres a big difference in acid and shrooms, thats how educated i am. thus why i think he was duped.
and yea pls dont go near it, shroom or acid.
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Why not? If you're an idiot like the aforementioned posters and don't know a thing about the substances you do or don't take into your body [for whatever reason], then yes, definitely stay away from drugs. Also stay away from sharp objects, blunt objects, TV, churches, fast food, and violent video games, because your ignorance will destroy you. Honestly, if you don't know a thing about drugs, don't take them and don't condemn them, you'll just wind up looking like an idiot like you have here.
If you want to learn something, go to erowid.org. If you don't, don't. But that's all that's going to be said about drugs in this thread, don't get it locked because of your ignorance -- it's not even supposed to be discussed, if I remember the rules correctly. I repeat, either go to the site and learn, or continue on your merry way in blissful ignorance, but don't continue talking about it here.
Ugh. Internet people.
Theres a big difference in acid and shrooms, thats how educated i am. thus why i think he was duped.
and yea pls dont go near it, shroom or acid.
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shooting up smack in a norwegian subway bathroom stall doesn't make you an expert on hallucinogens
It was a Saturday afternoon and I had just finished mowing the lawn. I was pulling the riding lawn mower back into the garage. As I made the left turn into the garage, I was going pretty slow (first gear out of 5). Just as I started past the garage opening I sneezed due to the dust that was thrown up into the air by the tractor. I happened to accidently hit the gear shift with my elbow and the mower shifted into fifth gear. I went from first gear to fifth in less than a second and hurtled into the garage. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" /> By the time I realized what had happened I had already collided with the workbench and had a drill press hit me flat across the chest. Luckily I was uninjured except for a good sized bruise. I seriously thought I had cracked a rib right after it happened. You really had to be there to really understand how funny it must have been to watch. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Theres a big difference in acid and shrooms, thats how educated i am. thus why i think he was duped.
and yea pls dont go near it, shroom or acid.
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*whoosh*
sweet
Does dope make you cool?
do you have to do dope to be "One of teh crowd"?
Drugs are bad mkay?
Taken from erowid.com, the site you linked:
unwanted and overwhelming feelings
unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences
flashbacks
Taken from wikipedia, with loads of references, "An LSD trip can have long term psychoemotional effects; some users cite the LSD experience as causing significant changes in their personality and life perspective". About US Army testers "Several subjects developed severe mental illnesses and even committed suicide after the experiments".
So, er, seems like she was right. One bad trip can screw up your life, or your mental health. Why are you jumping down on people, just because they say "Don't do drugs"? Follow that advice, and absolutely nothing can go wrong. And that's all it is, advice, to be ignored or listened to as the person chooses.
omai.
do i have to feed it with babyspoons ? *dissapointed*
edit,aldaris beat me to the point <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
lol i meant psychological scarring.
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I know, I was mocking you. Do I need to do this? </mocking>
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Taken from erowid.com, the site you linked:
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Flashbacks don't occur in natural sobriety, even if you've taken a whole lot of LSD over the years. There are rumours and urban legends of them, but they're just that. The unwanted and overwhelming feelings are natural with drugs you're not accustomed to -- first time I drank coffee or red bull, I got an incredible jittery and headachey feeling that I did not like and just wished to go away. It made me feel like utter crap and, if I'd drunk it faster or had part of another one, it would have been a whole lot worse. The vast majority of the life-changing spiritual experiences are positive, 'unwanted' is a misleading term. People tend to do acid for the visuals and then undergo incredible introspective experiences.. ultimately positive ones.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Taken from wikipedia, with loads of references, "An LSD trip can have long term psychoemotional effects; some users cite the LSD experience as causing significant changes in their personality and life perspective". About US Army testers "Several subjects developed severe mental illnesses and even committed suicide after the experiments".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The first part does not imply negative effects, unless you're one of those people that assume "change is bad". LSD has been used by numerous people, including Timothy Leary, to treat alcoholism, PTSD, etc. The US military research results, similarly to the experiences of people in MK-Ultra, reflect how important setting and personal expectations from the drug affect your experiences. I would not recommend anybody take LSD in a military or alienating, clinical environment, especially for their first time with no knowledge of that drug or other psychedelic drugs. You can quote MK-ultra to say "the subject developed incredible feelings of depression and lost touch with sanity" all you want, but until you factor in the part where she was in a sensory deprivation tank, being treated for depression when they forced her into the experiments [unwillingly] and would often have her worst confessions in therapy played back to her on a tape recorder for hours or days or weeks on end... then you're not getting the whole story.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So, er, seems like she was right. One bad trip can screw up your life, or your mental health. Why are you jumping down on people, just because they say "Don't do drugs"? Follow that advice, and absolutely nothing can go wrong. And that's all it is, advice, to be ignored or listened to as the person chooses.
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No, she wasn't right. You were misleading as well -- you cannot take things like this on the face value of a few disclaimers. You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter. I stand by what I said -- from what I've read, shrooms are harder to fight than LSD when it comes to visual distortions, and LSD is known/used mainly for its positive psychological effects, not for its hallucinogenic effects. That's not to say the effects and purposes of use are mutually exclusive, but there are differences between the two drugs.
I assume you would know all about that, however, having looked it up on Wikipedia and quoted us the token "drugs have the potential to be not so fun!" disclaimer. Enlighten us, scientist.
I know, I was mocking you. Do I need to do this? </mocking>
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ORL he flamed me *points and laughs*
I know, I was mocking you. Do I need to do this? </mocking>
Flashbacks don't occur in natural sobriety, even if you've taken a whole lot of LSD over the years. There are rumours and urban legends of them, but they're just that. The unwanted and overwhelming feelings are natural with drugs you're not accustomed to -- first time I drank coffee or red bull, I got an incredible jittery and headachey feeling that I did not like and just wished to go away. It made me feel like utter crap and, if I'd drunk it faster or had part of another one, it would have been a whole lot worse. The vast majority of the life-changing spiritual experiences are positive, 'unwanted' is a misleading term. People tend to do acid for the visuals and then undergo incredible introspective experiences.. ultimately positive ones.
The first part does not imply negative effects, unless you're one of those people that assume "change is bad". LSD has been used by numerous people, including Timothy Leary, to treat alcoholism, PTSD, etc. The US military research results, similarly to the experiences of people in MK-Ultra, reflect how important setting and personal expectations from the drug affect your experiences. I would not recommend anybody take LSD in a military or alienating, clinical environment, especially for their first time with no knowledge of that drug or other psychedelic drugs. You can quote MK-ultra to say "the subject developed incredible feelings of depression and lost touch with sanity" all you want, but until you factor in the part where she was in a sensory deprivation tank, being treated for depression when they forced her into the experiments [unwillingly] and would often have her worst confessions in therapy played back to her on a tape recorder for hours or days or weeks on end... then you're not getting the whole story.
No, she wasn't right. You were misleading as well -- you cannot take things like this on the face value of a few disclaimers. You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter. I stand by what I said -- from what I've read, shrooms are harder to fight than LSD when it comes to visual distortions, and LSD is known/used mainly for its positive psychological effects, not for its hallucinogenic effects. That's not to say the effects and purposes of use are mutually exclusive, but there are differences between the two drugs.
I assume you would know all about that, however, having looked it up on Wikipedia and quoted us the token "drugs have the potential to be not so fun!" disclaimer. Enlighten us, scientist.
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tl;dr version please.
Can we please move onto another topic, possibly the original one? It's going to get locked if we keep this up.
What the hell is the deal that everyone besides me does dope?
Does dope make you cool?
do you have to do dope to be "One of teh crowd"?
Drugs are bad mkay?
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let's not flatter ourselves here, thinking we're better than people who use drugs.
you only live once, and it's up to you to try or not try any drugs before you die. i myself have tried many but only still enjoy one, and that's weed. i love the way it feels to be high on a sunny saturday, laying on the beach with friends and a beer or two and just spacing out. i love the way anything can just tickle you and make you laugh, from warm giggles to ridiculous, gut-wrenching belly-laughter. i love the way it makes food that you thought you loved become an experience of pure ecstasy, as the vivid and unbelievable tastes fill your mouth and then envelops around your mind.
-am i addicted? well, some would argue you can't be addicted. am i HOOKED? no. i haven't smoked in months now, because i get piss-tested in the military. before i joined i smoked maybe three or four times a month (on the weekends usually).
-has it affected my health? not much. the volume of smoke that i have inhaled in my entire life is likely less than the same amount of tobacco a smoker burns in a month. i'm in the best shape of my life, i lift twice a week, run at least 8 miles a week, i'm a kickboxer, i have the body i've always wanted.
<b>what i'm trying to say</b> is that, if you are weak-minded or simply let the drug take over your life, then that's what you become: an addict. but if you can exercise an amount of <b>moderation</b> that will let you lead a productive life, you are still what you make yourself. i know people who are completely clean and yet are still losers, out of shape, flipping burgers, or whatever. i know people who smoke and are happy with themselves, have successful relationships with friends and significant others, have secure jobs and a great outlook for the future.
<b>you are what you make yourself</b>. if drugs are part of the picture, so be it. the drug doesn't change you. only YOU can change you.
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"Hey Mouse, you reckon you could reach your arm up to the freezer in there?"
(I'm a tall skinny person)
"... I dunno, lets find out"
(this was not a wise idea)
I got my arm into the machine easily enough, turns out I couldn't reach the top of the freezer, oh well. But this is where I ran into a problem, the opening in the bottom of the machine (that I currently had my entire right arm in) had a lip at the bottom to ensure that the icecream didn't go flying out of the machine. When I tried to remove my arm from the machine, my elbow caught on this lip, effectively leaving me stuck.
One thing to keep in mind is that this was happening during a school dance, so there was a decent number of spectators, this led to a couple of interesting things happening.<ul><li> I was punched in the face by a guy who claimed he was just trying to hit the front of machine, I don't see how he figured either of those things would help.</li><li> This girl tried to buy an icecream. (I realise that I was in the middle of doing my own incredibly stupid thing, but what the hell was she thinking!?) Needless to say, she didn't get her icecream.</li></ul>During all of this I was moving my arm about, attempting to find a way to get my arm out. At one point I could feel the bones in my forearm bending (an interesting sensation if nothing else), this put the thought in my head of perhaps breaking my own arm if I couldn't figure out a way to free it. Thankfully I managed to free my arm before it came to that; though I still wonder what sort of reputation I would have gained in the school if I had done so.
With my arm freed I stood up, relieved that my ordeal was over. As I turned I saw the school cop a couple of feet away with That Damned Girl in tow. For some reason he wanted to have a chat with me.
*cop records name*
"Why did you have your arm in the vending machine?"
"Wanted to see how far my arm could reach up it"
"Were you trying to steal anything?"
"Nope, I was just curious"
"Hrm, well this girl says she tried to buy an icecream while you had your arm in the machine but it stole her money. You're going to have to pay her back the 60 cents for it"
"Okay"
*gives That Damned Girl the money*
And then I was allowed to go back in.
For the record, I only gave the girl 50 cents, though I didn't realise it until 10 minutes after the fact.
Flashbacks don't occur in natural sobriety, even if you've taken a whole lot of LSD over the years. There are rumours and urban legends of them, but they're just that. The unwanted and overwhelming feelings are natural with drugs you're not accustomed to -- first time I drank coffee or red bull, I got an incredible jittery and headachey feeling that I did not like and just wished to go away. It made me feel like utter crap and, if I'd drunk it faster or had part of another one, it would have been a whole lot worse. The vast majority of the life-changing spiritual experiences are positive, 'unwanted' is a misleading term. People tend to do acid for the visuals and then undergo incredible introspective experiences.. ultimately positive ones.
The first part does not imply negative effects, unless you're one of those people that assume "change is bad". LSD has been used by numerous people, including Timothy Leary, to treat alcoholism, PTSD, etc. The US military research results, similarly to the experiences of people in MK-Ultra, reflect how important setting and personal expectations from the drug affect your experiences. I would not recommend anybody take LSD in a military or alienating, clinical environment, especially for their first time with no knowledge of that drug or other psychedelic drugs. You can quote MK-ultra to say "the subject developed incredible feelings of depression and lost touch with sanity" all you want, but until you factor in the part where she was in a sensory deprivation tank, being treated for depression when they forced her into the experiments [unwillingly] and would often have her worst confessions in therapy played back to her on a tape recorder for hours or days or weeks on end... then you're not getting the whole story.
No, she wasn't right. You were misleading as well -- you cannot take things like this on the face value of a few disclaimers. You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter. I stand by what I said -- from what I've read, shrooms are harder to fight than LSD when it comes to visual distortions, and LSD is known/used mainly for its positive psychological effects, not for its hallucinogenic effects. That's not to say the effects and purposes of use are mutually exclusive, but there are differences between the two drugs.
I assume you would know all about that, however, having looked it up on Wikipedia and quoted us the token "drugs have the potential to be not so fun!" disclaimer. Enlighten us, scientist.
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So, right, you link to a site, tell us to read it. We read it, and then you say the site is lying? I research, as you suggested, and the research says things can go wrong, that experiences can have long term negative effects, and you say it doesn't happen? Right. There's nothing misleading about unwanted effects at all. It's not an ambigious term in the slightest, It can only be taken one way, and that's as a negative side effect.
I know the first part of the wiki quote doesn't imply negative effects, but nor does it imply positive effects either. The quote is supposed to be taken either way. I never said change cannot be positive, so you're putting words into my mouth.
Femme is right, and you've even admitted as much. Your entire argument seems to be based around "You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter", and you're completely correct. Under these situations, LSD will be an incredible experience, unforgetable, and it's unlikely anything will go wrong. But taken under the exact opposite situation as this, and LSD can be like your worst nightmare, and these situations do happen. I've looked at more websites now, and they keep saying the same thing. Bad trips happen, they're scary as hell, and have led, in some cases, to full blown psychosis.
I also love how many logical fallacies you perpetuate -- do you suppose that everybody is as dense as you are, and will believe your argument complete with its idiocies and unsubtle manipulations?
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I did not say that nor did I even imply it, nor is it inferable from my response. Your attempts to mislead the readers are disgusting and despicable. I said that your conclusions from the site's information are incorrect, and this is in keeping with your thusfar unbearable lack of intelligence.
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I did not say that. See my last rebuttal. If you are at such a loss for material, I suggest you keep out of the spotlight until you have learned how to argue without utilising logical fallacies and misleading conclusions.
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Funny how people tend to broadcast their hypocrisy, just in case it wasn't obvious enough.
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If at any point she touched on a sound idea, it was based on ignorance and idiocy and derived from incorrect conclusions. In this case she is an accidental advisor, and a rare one at that.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Your entire argument seems to be based around "You need to understand what you're taking into your body and how it's going to affect you, and you need to be in a positive mindset in an emotionally secure environment with a good babysitter", and you're completely correct. Under these situations, LSD will be an incredible experience, unforgetable, and it's unlikely anything will go wrong. But taken under the exact opposite situation as this, and LSD can be like your worst nightmare, and these situations do happen. I've looked at more websites now, and they keep saying the same thing. Bad trips happen, they're scary as hell, and have led, in some cases, to full blown psychosis.
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The substance itself does not lead to 'full blown psychosis'. Also, the 'exact opposite situations' are those exemplified by the MK-Ultra endeavour, brutal experiments designed to brainwash unwilling captives. So in the normal degree of variation, LSD is vastly safer than suggested by the ignorant parties in this thread. All substances have the potential for abuse and harm, illegal, legal, or even inert, if used incorrectly. Blanket statements like "LSD is dangerous" damage nothing but the spirit of public knowledge and your own image in the eyes of intelligent parties.
People thought that it was spelled Shizno, and eventually my nickname morphed in to "Shiz". It is now about a year and a half later, and I've accepted my nickname I got for a stupid mistake. Mostly nobody knows what it means, but I still am called a piece of **** by about a third of the school everyday.
I've got more from where that one came from, like the time I made a huge mural on my desk out of the ink in the eraser of my erasable pen during health class, and got caught. I blamed it on another kid, put off the desk cleaning I was supposed to do, and left on exam day only having it pick up a couple pieces of trash to compensate.
Oh, and there was the time I almost got admin rights to my favorite Team Fortress Classic Server, and then got banned(for a minute) because I "spawn camped".
Stupid things I've done? Gone up against a big fat guy with a knife.
I was out riding my bike and a car swerved over on my side of the rode. Him going up the steep hill I was going down. I couldn't really get over onto the gravel due to speed; and it's all sand along the road. So, he swerves over, then back, and I can see him laughing his balls off. I slam by brakes on, get off the bike and give the guy the best finger in the UNIVERSE. He, of course, didn't like this. Stopped, backed up, and since I'm so angry, I don't really grasp his intent.
He gets out of the car, and starts cussing at me. Saying the general macho ish. 'Tough guy want a piece of me?' and ish like that. He pulls a hunting knife out of his belt and goes after me; cut my left arm open at the crook. Just barely missed the artery there. I got in a lucky punch right at the bridge of his nose and knocked him cold.
Cops really hated me afterwords because I got rid of the 'evidence.' I threw the knife into the woods. And I wouldn't go to the hospital; I stitched the thing up by myself with a bit of dental floss and lots of peroxide.
Pretty nifty scar though!
Shut up about drugs or I'll stab your eyes out dead.
Stupid things I've done? Gone up against a big fat guy with a knife.
I was out riding my bike and a car swerved over on my side of the rode. Him going up the steep hill I was going down. I couldn't really get over onto the gravel due to speed; and it's all sand along the road. So, he swerves over, then back, and I can see him laughing his balls off. I slam by brakes on, get off the bike and give the guy the best finger in the UNIVERSE. He, of course, didn't like this. Stopped, backed up, and since I'm so angry, I don't really grasp his intent.
He gets out of the car, and starts cussing at me. Saying the general macho ish. 'Tough guy want a piece of me?' and ish like that. He pulls a hunting knife out of his belt and goes after me; cut my left arm open at the crook. Just barely missed the artery there. I got in a lucky punch right at the bridge of his nose and knocked him cold.
Cops really hated me afterwords because I got rid of the 'evidence.' I threw the knife into the woods. And I wouldn't go to the hospital; I stitched the thing up by myself with a bit of dental floss and lots of peroxide.
Pretty nifty scar though!
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I'd like to see that scar...
I'd like to see that scar...
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I'd show it, but the camera is back at my parent's house and my crappy web cam doesn't show it at all. Or anything at all for that matter. Just blur.
After holding my hand up to my ear and having a little pool of blood collect in my palm I figure I better hurry up and get to my exam, so I hop <i>back</i> on the bike and ride the remaining 3/4 of a mile to class (without incident). By the time I get to the bike rack I can't even hold my arm still anymore, since it's doing the crazy 'vibrating, unintentional random muscle spasm' thing...plus my ear still didn't want to stop bleeding, and I'm got two giant scrapes on my face.
Take my exam <i>and then </i> I go to the student health clinic. You'd be surprised how hard it is to fold over an exam booklet's page with a broken arm <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> . At least I got an A on that exam. Turns out to be a minor fracture near the elbow and a giant gouge out of my ear (which, by exam time, had stopped bleeding). Managed to get to the doctor about 2 hours after the injury, heh. It's nice that the person that cut me off didn't stop and all, too.
Shut up about drugs or I'll stab your eyes out dead.
Stupid things I've done? Gone up against a big fat guy with a knife.
I was out riding my bike and a car swerved over on my side of the rode. Him going up the steep hill I was going down. I couldn't really get over onto the gravel due to speed; and it's all sand along the road. So, he swerves over, then back, and I can see him laughing his balls off. I slam by brakes on, get off the bike and give the guy the best finger in the UNIVERSE. He, of course, didn't like this. Stopped, backed up, and since I'm so angry, I don't really grasp his intent.
He gets out of the car, and starts cussing at me. Saying the general macho ish. 'Tough guy want a piece of me?' and ish like that. He pulls a hunting knife out of his belt and goes after me; cut my left arm open at the crook. Just barely missed the artery there. I got in a lucky punch right at the bridge of his nose and knocked him cold.
Cops really hated me afterwords because I got rid of the 'evidence.' I threw the knife into the woods. And I wouldn't go to the hospital; I stitched the thing up by myself with a bit of dental floss and lots of peroxide.
Pretty nifty scar though!
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O_O where do you live?
that's pretty kewl though, i gotta say... wish i had come up with it...
O_O where do you live?
that's pretty kewl though, i gotta say... wish i had come up with it...
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At the time I was living in Michigan, just south of Detroit.
Rough bunch.
Edit: Haha... Have another one to add.
I was practicing some TaeKwonDo last night and was mixing some of the techniques up with some tricks I know. I went to go into a butterfly kick, jumped, and landed with my left leg extended, right leg folded back. Needless to say, I've just torn up my groin muscles and this sucks complete ######.