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<!--quoteo(post=1606082:date=Feb 13 2007, 03:28 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Feb 13 2007, 03:28 PM) [snapback]1606082[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> ? The movie is in spanish. All the theater versions have english subtitles. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're kidding me?
<!--quoteo(post=1606144:date=Feb 13 2007, 07:34 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Feb 13 2007, 07:34 PM) [snapback]1606144[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Must have been subbed so more people would go see it? I never saw a single trailer for it. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> *points at the first post in this topic*
And who the hell cares if it's subbed? I watch subbed <i>all</i> the time, be it english subbed dutch or japanese subbed english.
I watched the movie yesterday due to the recommendation from these forums. I thought it was good although I really don't see how you can cry at the end.
******SPOILERS****** <!--coloro:#333333--><span style="color:#333333"><!--/coloro--> I was far more upset at the doctors death. I thought it was brilliant that he kept walking defiantly even after he'd been shot in the back. Especially when he took off his glasses and rubbed his eyes. The shot just after that of him dead with his face in the mud was quite powerful. Far more than the girls death at any rate. I dunno this movie didn't really do a lot for me, It wasn't bad but it wasn't the amazing movie I was expecting. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
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<!--quoteo(post=1606163:date=Feb 13 2007, 11:45 AM:name=Jimmeh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Feb 13 2007, 11:45 AM) [snapback]1606163[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I watched the movie yesterday due to the recommendation from these forums. I thought it was good although I really don't see how you can cry at the end. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yet another unfeeling and unthinking European cyborg!
<!--quoteo(post=1606048:date=Feb 13 2007, 03:46 AM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Feb 13 2007, 03:46 AM) [snapback]1606048[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I just finished watching this utter disappointment. There was hardly any of the mysticism that the previews showed; half of the movie delt with the Nazi crap, and it turned out to be more interesting though it didn't have much of a story other than "Nazi's in the woods, militia in the woods."
<Spoiler> <!--coloro:#000000--><span style="color:#000000"><!--/coloro-->I'm sick of movies with twists, schitzo's and people just imaging stupid sh*t. Have crap be real for a change. The characters didn't change at all, well the Captain became a p*ssy at the end, and I hardly cared for them. Ofelia for instance is just a kid with a vivid imagination who screws up her own <i>imaginary</i> plots(Which is like being unable to get laid in your dreams), and gets killed at the end. Doesn't even matter since you see her dead in the beginning of the film. So you're expecting a lot of disappointment from her right of the bat.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> </Spoiler>
To sum it up, what a piece of sh*t. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm pretty sure that <Spoiler> <!--coloro:#000000--><span style="color:#000000"><!--/coloro-->Del Toro said all of it was real. The captain couldn't see it because it wasn't for him. And then there is the question of how she even got to her brother if she didn't use the chalk to create the door. There are other things as well.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> </Spoiler>
<!--quoteo(post=1606274:date=Feb 13 2007, 08:47 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Feb 13 2007, 08:47 PM) [snapback]1606274[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Open Interpretation blows. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yea, mainly because I'm always pessimistic about it. I totally thought it was all in her head especially when you see her body go limp <b>after</b> the scene where she meets her parents in the underworld. If she died and then it showed that scene I'd think oh ok she was liberated from her earthly body. But the way it is now I just think she has one last fantasy, smiles and snuffs it. Like the end of children of men **SPOLIER** where theo gets shot and a) dies b) is actually unconsious from blood loss.
Although i'd like to think he does die since it's a meaningful death and the lead good characters don't die enough in movies <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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<!--quoteo(post=1606306:date=Feb 13 2007, 09:59 PM:name=enf0rcer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(enf0rcer @ Feb 13 2007, 09:59 PM) [snapback]1606306[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> yea, mainly because I'm always pessimistic about it. I totally thought it was all in her head especially when you see her body go limp <b>after</b> the scene where she meets her parents in the underworld. If she died and then it showed that scene I'd think oh ok she was liberated from her earthly body. But the way it is now I just think she has one last fantasy, smiles and snuffs it. Like the end of children of men **SPOLIER**~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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ARGH. FIX THAT SPOILER TAG. ARGH my precious plot twists!
I saw the movie 2 days ago, and i liked it! Number 63 in top250 at imdb. Not bad.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[<b>Spoiler</b>]<!--coloro:#000000--><span style="color:#000000"><!--/coloro--> The fascist captain got owned at the end, i laughed so much!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> [/<b>Spoiler</b>] <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1606116:date=Feb 13 2007, 11:51 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Feb 13 2007, 11:51 AM) [snapback]1606116[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Well they aren't Nazis but it is WWII era (irc) and it does deal with the spanish civil war (whatever it's called, I don't know history). <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The fellows in the camp I believe are Fascists, but they are not NAZIs and the fellows in the mountains are part of a Communist resistance force.
I just watched this movie, and thought it was excellent. The visuals (especially the Faun) were really well done. And I may be one of the few, but I like the "open to interpretation" endings, since I'm generally optimistic when it comes to fictitious characters that I've grown to love. That said, I think Children of Men was a better movie.
<!--quoteo(post=1620501:date=Apr 12 2007, 06:17 AM:name=Insane)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Insane @ Apr 12 2007, 06:17 AM) [snapback]1620501[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Yeah, god forbid any of us ever be challenged to <i>think</i> about a movie. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't go to movies to think - You fake it by letting the movie do all the deep interpretive thought for you.
Besides in most cases, not all, interpretation either means you "got it" (the directors vision) or you didn't and made up some alternate theory as a meek attempt to make sense of everything.
Of course that's hard to avoid with movies like donnie darko.
I thought it was a rather awful film. Missed the mark on both the realistic war setting and the fantasy. Franco era Spain had so much potential, but all we really see is this completely isolated generic fascist. The fantasy was a bit too easy for me. Some parts such as the encounter with eyes-in-his-handsman were totally laughable. She ate the ###### fruit? Seriously? If I was going to eat the fruit, I would at least keep an eye on the monster. The concept was great, the art as well, but I was very disappointed.
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<!--quoteo(post=1620609:date=Apr 12 2007, 04:36 PM:name=RuBy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RuBy @ Apr 12 2007, 04:36 PM) [snapback]1620609[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Seriously? If I was going to eat the fruit, I would at least keep an eye on the monster. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Clearly the fruit had an enchanting quality to it that captured her full attention.
But I guess you need a certain capacity to enjoy the movie.
<!--quoteo(post=1620613:date=Apr 12 2007, 05:49 PM:name=Zig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zig @ Apr 12 2007, 05:49 PM) [snapback]1620613[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Clearly the fruit had an enchanting quality to it that captured her full attention.
But I guess you need a certain capacity to enjoy the movie. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The most convincing explanation is that she was simply hungry (being sent off without dinner). If they had played on her inner emotions and struggle it would have been much more understandable. Also if perhaps they had conveyed more obviously that the simplicity of her fantasies was related to her own juvenile nature then that entire scene would have been much more successful.
Honestly, I couldn't stop laughing throughout that scene. That's a problem.
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<!--quoteo(post=1620614:date=Apr 12 2007, 04:55 PM:name=RuBy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RuBy @ Apr 12 2007, 04:55 PM) [snapback]1620614[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The most convincing explanation is that she was simply hungry (being sent off without dinner). If they had played on her inner emotions and struggle it would have been much more understandable. Also if perhaps they had conveyed more obviously that the simplicity of her fantasies was related to her own juvenile nature then that entire scene would have been much more successful.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The theme of that scene was not only obvious, it was classic. You have completely ruined it for yourself by overthinking it. Remember Hansel & Gretel? The evil witch lived in a bread house with sugar windows. It is suggested that she had seduced and eaten many children by the time Hansel & Gretel got there. Is it because the children are invariably hungry when they come upon the house? No, it's because she's a witch, and witches are magic.
Now during the scene with the Pale Man, the idea of the feast being irresistable is made clear by irrefutable evidence in the form of: 1) The enormous pile of shoes, belonging to dead and eaten children. 2) The illustrations of children being tricked and eaten.
So if hundreds of children have already been eaten by this monster who has removable eyeballs, sees out of his hands, and is perpetually seated before an enormous feast of fresh food that shows no signs of rotting, is it so hard to believe that the children are compelled by some force of magic to eat the food?
<!--quoteo(post=1620614:date=Apr 12 2007, 04:55 PM:name=RuBy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RuBy @ Apr 12 2007, 04:55 PM) [snapback]1620614[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Honestly, I couldn't stop laughing throughout that scene. That's a problem. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Your own problem, it would seem. You seem to have already defeated the ideas of the film in your mind before you even come here to discuss them. Would you say that you didn't enjoy it due to your personal tastes, or do you honestly believe the film to possess innate flaws that only you could see, and laugh at? It's easy for a literature student to tell his teacher that the piece that the class is reading is pointless crap, but there's usually a reason that it's part of the curriculum.
I thought it was a great, amazing movie, and one that so brutalized my psyche that I hope never to see it again. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> It was so completely not at all what I was expecting when I walked in there, either.
I'd been sort of hoping for something, you know. Uplifting.
I started watching with very high expectations, having seen the reviews of people I trust on Metacritic and IMDB. The premise sounded very interesting, so I think it has nothing to do with my initial mindset. As the movie progressed I started collecting, little by little, pieces of utter ridicule that seemed totally inappropriate.
Yes, I do believe that the movie is flawed. I find it absolutely deplorable what today passes as "profound", a condescending "you'll never understand how deep this is" attitude which, in fact, turns out to be a veritable Arroseur Arrosé. I think the fact that critics enjoyed the movie has to do with the fact that the idea in itself is interesting and <b>it is</b> a direction cinema in general should strive for, especially in the US. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are fooled by the visuals and foreign language, the violence and the originality, so much that they can't watch the movie critically and are actually afraid of not liking it.
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The movie is in spanish. All the theater versions have english subtitles.
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You're kidding me?
How come the trailer is in English then?
You're kidding me?
How come the trailer is in English then?
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Must have been subbed so more people would go see it? I never saw a single trailer for it.
Edit: I mean that I had never seen a trailer prior to watching the movie, Im sure there are plenty around.
Must have been subbed so more people would go see it? I never saw a single trailer for it.
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*points at the first post in this topic*
And who the hell cares if it's subbed? I watch subbed <i>all</i> the time, be it english subbed dutch or japanese subbed english.
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I was far more upset at the doctors death. I thought it was brilliant that he kept walking defiantly even after he'd been shot in the back. Especially when he took off his glasses and rubbed his eyes. The shot just after that of him dead with his face in the mud was quite powerful. Far more than the girls death at any rate. I dunno this movie didn't really do a lot for me, It wasn't bad but it wasn't the amazing movie I was expecting. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
I watched the movie yesterday due to the recommendation from these forums. I thought it was good although I really don't see how you can cry at the end.
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Yet another unfeeling and unthinking European cyborg!
And it was poorly dubbed from like French or something...
I just finished watching this utter disappointment. There was hardly any of the mysticism that the previews showed; half of the movie delt with the Nazi crap, and it turned out to be more interesting though it didn't have much of a story other than "Nazi's in the woods, militia in the woods."
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<!--coloro:#000000--><span style="color:#000000"><!--/coloro-->I'm sick of movies with twists, schitzo's and people just imaging stupid sh*t. Have crap be real for a change. The characters didn't change at all, well the Captain became a p*ssy at the end, and I hardly cared for them. Ofelia for instance is just a kid with a vivid imagination who screws up her own <i>imaginary</i> plots(Which is like being unable to get laid in your dreams), and gets killed at the end. Doesn't even matter since you see her dead in the beginning of the film. So you're expecting a lot of disappointment from her right of the bat.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
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To sum it up, what a piece of sh*t.
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I'm pretty sure that <Spoiler> <!--coloro:#000000--><span style="color:#000000"><!--/coloro-->Del Toro said all of it was real. The captain couldn't see it because it wasn't for him. And then there is the question of how she even got to her brother if she didn't use the chalk to create the door. There are other things as well.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> </Spoiler>
Open Interpretation blows.
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yea, mainly because I'm always pessimistic about it. I totally thought it was all in her head especially when you see her body go limp <b>after</b> the scene where she meets her parents in the underworld. If she died and then it showed that scene I'd think oh ok she was liberated from her earthly body. But the way it is now I just think she has one last fantasy, smiles and snuffs it. Like the end of children of men **SPOLIER** where theo gets shot and
a) dies
b) is actually unconsious from blood loss.
Although i'd like to think he does die since it's a meaningful death and the lead good characters don't die enough in movies <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
yea, mainly because I'm always pessimistic about it. I totally thought it was all in her head especially when you see her body go limp <b>after</b> the scene where she meets her parents in the underworld. If she died and then it showed that scene I'd think oh ok she was liberated from her earthly body. But the way it is now I just think she has one last fantasy, smiles and snuffs it. Like the end of children of men **SPOLIER**~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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ARGH. FIX THAT SPOILER TAG. ARGH my precious plot twists!
But man that Ofelias hot. I mean that bathtub scene YEA!
Number 63 in top250 at imdb. Not bad.
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The fascist captain got owned at the end, i laughed so much!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
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Well they aren't Nazis but it is WWII era (irc) and it does deal with the spanish civil war (whatever it's called, I don't know history).
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The fellows in the camp I believe are Fascists, but they are not NAZIs and the fellows in the mountains are part of a Communist resistance force.
Open Interpretation blows.
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Yeah, god forbid any of us ever be challenged to <i>think</i> about a movie.
Yeah, god forbid any of us ever be challenged to <i>think</i> about a movie.
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I don't go to movies to think - You fake it by letting the movie do all the deep interpretive thought for you.
Besides in most cases, not all, interpretation either means you "got it" (the directors vision) or you didn't and made up some alternate theory as a meek attempt to make sense of everything.
Of course that's hard to avoid with movies like donnie darko.
I thought it was a rather awful film. Missed the mark on both the realistic war setting and the fantasy. Franco era Spain had so much potential, but all we really see is this completely isolated generic fascist. The fantasy was a bit too easy for me. Some parts such as the encounter with eyes-in-his-handsman were totally laughable. She ate the ###### fruit? Seriously? If I was going to eat the fruit, I would at least keep an eye on the monster. The concept was great, the art as well, but I was very disappointed.
Clearly the fruit had an enchanting quality to it that captured her full attention.
But I guess you need a certain capacity to enjoy the movie.
Clearly the fruit had an enchanting quality to it that captured her full attention.
But I guess you need a certain capacity to enjoy the movie.
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The most convincing explanation is that she was simply hungry (being sent off without dinner). If they had played on her inner emotions and struggle it would have been much more understandable. Also if perhaps they had conveyed more obviously that the simplicity of her fantasies was related to her own juvenile nature then that entire scene would have been much more successful.
Honestly, I couldn't stop laughing throughout that scene. That's a problem.
Now during the scene with the Pale Man, the idea of the feast being irresistable is made clear by irrefutable evidence in the form of:
1) The enormous pile of shoes, belonging to dead and eaten children.
2) The illustrations of children being tricked and eaten.
So if hundreds of children have already been eaten by this monster who has removable eyeballs, sees out of his hands, and is perpetually seated before an enormous feast of fresh food that shows no signs of rotting, is it so hard to believe that the children are compelled by some force of magic to eat the food?
<!--quoteo(post=1620614:date=Apr 12 2007, 04:55 PM:name=RuBy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RuBy @ Apr 12 2007, 04:55 PM) [snapback]1620614[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Honestly, I couldn't stop laughing throughout that scene. That's a problem. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Your own problem, it would seem. You seem to have already defeated the ideas of the film in your mind before you even come here to discuss them. Would you say that you didn't enjoy it due to your personal tastes, or do you honestly believe the film to possess innate flaws that only you could see, and laugh at? It's easy for a literature student to tell his teacher that the piece that the class is reading is pointless crap, but there's usually a reason that it's part of the curriculum.
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I'd been sort of hoping for something, you know. Uplifting.
Yes, I do believe that the movie is flawed. I find it absolutely deplorable what today passes as "profound", a condescending "you'll never understand how deep this is" attitude which, in fact, turns out to be a veritable Arroseur Arrosé. I think the fact that critics enjoyed the movie has to do with the fact that the idea in itself is interesting and <b>it is</b> a direction cinema in general should strive for, especially in the US. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are fooled by the visuals and foreign language, the violence and the originality, so much that they can't watch the movie critically and are actually afraid of not liking it.